Policing without using guns

[Mr. Daystar]

Can someone tell @Ace Boobtoucher he is needed in aisle 1008642? We really need his opinion on this subject.

There isn't ONE SINGLE THING you could say to this guy, that will satisfy him, other then total agreement with his opinions, and scream out loud that the cops are always wrong. Who knows where this guy is even from, and quite frankly, if it isn't in the heart of the WORST city in America, he has no idea what danger, or victimization really is. I wonder if he's ever needed the cops to help him? Has he ever been on the business end of a 12 gauge, which honestly looks like staring down a fucking Howitzer barrel? Who else can you call, at 2 am on a lonely road, and ask for help, and they will come, not knowing if they will come back alive, but they show up, because they care enough to do the job. All he does is remind us of other countries, and how wonderful their police treat people, but forgets, or ignores the fact that this country has open boarders with illegal aliens coming in, like the dam burst. He forgets, or ignores the uncontrollable heroin problem we have, which I will go on record as saying is our own governments fault. He seems to ignore the number of scumbags that liter our streets, that have no respect for anyone, including the law, or law officers. He obviously hasn't taken into consideration how many law enforcement officers are killed in the country EVERY YEAR, and the reason is because of a traffic stop. He calls our explanations, of why officers do what they do, an excuse to justify their behavior, but never once mentions the behavior of those that end up in the situations they do. Like I said, if a guy is running away, you don't shot him in the back, but if you're rolling around on the ground with someone, and he's reaching for things on your belt, you do what you have to, to survive. And if your there, because the guy you were trying to put cuffs on, is resisting, and trying to get away and hitting you.............IT'S HIS OWN FAULT IF HE ENDS UP DEAD!!!

It is not, NOT the policeman's job to argue your guilt, or innocence. It is his job to enforce the law. If he has proof, or evidence, you get arrested, and you lawyer arguer's with the judge. When a cop places you under arrest, you cooperate, shut your fucking mouth, except to say, I AM REPRESENTED BY LEGAL COUNCIL.

 

[gmase]

There isn't ONE SINGLE THING you could say to this guy, that will satisfy him, other then total agreement with his opinions, and scream out loud that the cops are always wrong. Who knows where this guy is even from, and quite frankly, if it isn't in the heart of the WORST city in America, he has no idea what danger, or victimization really is. I wonder if he's ever needed the cops to help him?

Sir, you are correct here.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

It is a porn board not a forensic league meeting.

But since you asked, I was not make making fun or light of police brutality. @bubb 's comment made me think of the lyrics to the song. Plus I think he was referring the length and quantity of your posts - not police brutality.

Thanks again.

Are you really still making excuses for your decision to make light of police misconduct?

You'll say anything to pretend you didn't do anything wrong, the same way pigs do when they're told they did something wrong - not surprising that your character is the same as the bad cops that promote pig culture.

Oh, and you think @bubb was referring to my post not police brutality? Anything else you want to put into his mouth for him? You really do try hard.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

Because stating the police need to be derelict and the public needs to be in harm's way does not seem very rational to me. What do I know right?



I do not remember that definition of misconduct. Why? Because it is not true. Misconduct does not mean illegal. With all the legalese on traffic stops you used in earlier posts, you should know that much.


Thank you for explaining what you believe we are missing. With no fixed address you must be traveling all over the US coordinating and participating in these protests. Good for you.

What do you know? You obviously don't know that protesting against police misconduct is NOT protesting for police being derelict nor for the public bring in harm's way - seems pretty rational, but what do you know right?

You do not remember the definition of misconduct, so you say misconduct does not mean illegal...how much further are you going to try to pretend you know what you're talking about? Here's one for you, if you don't think police misconduct is illegal, refer us to the police misconduct in your mind that is legal/acceptable? With all your pathetic excuses you use in all your posts, you should know at least enough you answer that.

Ah, and finally you've decided to prejudice and profile me because I have no fixed address, just because you've made the assumption that I travel all around coordinating in these protest it must be true - good for you, keep up the pig culture support the black and blue, nothing wrong with a little prejudicing and profiling to go along with police misconduct isn't illegal.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

There isn't ONE SINGLE THING you could say to this guy, that will satisfy him, other then total agreement with his opinions, and scream out loud that the cops are always wrong. Who knows where this guy is even from, and quite frankly, if it isn't in the heart of the WORST city in America, he has no idea what danger, or victimization really is. I wonder if he's ever needed the cops to help him? Has he ever been on the business end of a 12 gauge, which honestly looks like staring down a fucking Howitzer barrel? Who else can you call, at 2 am on a lonely road, and ask for help, and they will come, not knowing if they will come back alive, but they show up, because they care enough to do the job. All he does is remind us of other countries, and how wonderful their police treat people, but forgets, or ignores the fact that this country has open boarders with illegal aliens coming in, like the dam burst. He forgets, or ignores the uncontrollable heroin problem we have, which I will go on record as saying is our own governments fault. He seems to ignore the number of scumbags that liter our streets, that have no respect for anyone, including the law, or law officers. He obviously hasn't taken into consideration how many law enforcement officers are killed in the country EVERY YEAR, and the reason is because of a traffic stop. He calls our explanations, of why officers do what they do, an excuse to justify their behavior, but never once mentions the behavior of those that end up in the situations they do. Like I said, if a guy is running away, you don't shot him in the back, but if you're rolling around on the ground with someone, and he's reaching for things on your belt, you do what you have to, to survive. And if your there, because the guy you were trying to put cuffs on, is resisting, and trying to get away and hitting you.............IT'S HIS OWN FAULT IF HE ENDS UP DEAD!!!

It is not, NOT the policeman's job to argue your guilt, or innocence. It is his job to enforce the law. If he has proof, or evidence, you get arrested, and you lawyer arguer's with the judge. When a cop places you under arrest, you cooperate, shut your fucking mouth, except to say, I AM REPRESENTED BY LEGAL COUNCIL.

Oohhh, you better radio this in and report me, who knows where I'm from...and and and...have I even been on the business end of a shotgun...and and and...have I ever needed the cops to help me?

So many unanswered questions that have so many posters on a porn forum worried.

How about you answer if you'd rather be beat up by a cop for doing nothing or beat up by your neighbor for doing nothing?

Because that is the issue here, not getting everyone terrified about if I take know what victimisation really is - but you can start a seperate thread to jump to all the conclusions you all want.

Where have I posted I think police are always wrong? Just because you can't admit police misconduct should stop? I've already said no one is protesting against proper police conduct, do you have any more pig culture ranting to add?

By the way, all the other fear mongering assumptions you've all made about me must ask be true, how can you all sleep at night if it weren't?

The assumptions you've made simply on a porn forum shows exactly why police misconduct and pig culture continues to spread, because you care more about all the assumptions you've made - more than you care about ending police misconduct.

In fact wouldn't you agree with me that you accept police misconduct as simply part of their job descriptions? At least you're honest about it, unlike @gmase who likes to pretend to be sophistication on every side of every argument.

 

[gmase]

 

[gmase]

It seem all of the officers on Jan 6th did their job but one! Ms. Babbit was just an 'unarmed trespasser'.

One professor's opinion:
https://thehill.com/opinion/judicia...game-shooter-of-ashlii-babbitt-makes-shocking

Ashlii Babbitt's shooter: "That's my job."

Author: "She had no criminal record but clearly engaged in criminal conduct that day by entering Capitol and disobeying police commands. The question, however, has been why this unarmed trespasser deserved to die."

"But that doesn’t mean rioting should be treated as a license for the use of lethal force, particularly against unarmed suspects. The "job" of officers, to which Byrd referred, often demands a courage and restraint that few of us could muster. As shown by every other officer that day, it is a job that is often defined by abstinence from rather than application of lethal force. It was the rest of the force who refrained from using lethal force, despite being attacked, that were the extraordinary embodiments of the principles governing their profession."

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

It seem all of the officers on Jan 6th did their job but one! Ms. Babbit was just an 'unarmed trespasser'.

One professor's opinion:
https://thehill.com/opinion/judicia...game-shooter-of-ashlii-babbitt-makes-shocking

Ashlii Babbitt's shooter: "That's my job."

Author: "She had no criminal record but clearly engaged in criminal conduct that day by entering Capitol and disobeying police commands. The question, however, has been why this unarmed trespasser deserved to die."

"But that doesn’t mean rioting should be treated as a license for the use of lethal force, particularly against unarmed suspects. The "job" of officers, to which Byrd referred, often demands a courage and restraint that few of us could muster. As shown by every other officer that day, it is a job that is often defined by abstinence from rather than application of lethal force. It was the rest of the force who refrained from using lethal force, despite being attacked, that were the extraordinary embodiments of the principles governing their profession."

So you gonna keep avoiding being specific about what you support as acceptable police misconduct? I've put that question to you few times already in this thread and in few other threads too.

Just so you know, the Babbitt case does not qualify as police misconduct.

 

[gmase]

So you gonna keep avoiding being specific about what you support as acceptable police misconduct? I've put that question to you few times already in this thread and in few other threads too.

Since police misconduct is not acceptable (I would be quite interested to know where I said is was acceptable), yes I will continue to avoid the question. Thanks for following up though.

Just so you know, the Babbitt case does not qualify as police misconduct.

We agree. How complacent of you!

Which great American city are you currently visiting?

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

Because stating the police need to be derelict and the public needs to be in harm's way does not seem very rational to me. What do I know right?



I do not remember that definition of misconduct. Why? Because it is not true. Misconduct does not mean illegal. With all the legalese on traffic stops you used in earlier posts, you should know that much.


Thank you for explaining what you believe we are missing. With no fixed address you must be traveling all over the US coordinating and participating in these protests. Good for you.

Here. Because you pretend not to remember. Post #59 in this thread you're splitting hairs regarding the legality of police misconduct, thereby enabling tolerance towards police misconduct. Thanks for following up though.

 

[gmase]

Nice. I will now help you out. You're welcome.

You at post #52

Remember that the word misconduct means illegal conduct, not accidents or excusable actions.

Me at post#59

I do not remember that definition of misconduct. Why? Because it is not true. Misconduct does not mean illegal. With all the legalese on traffic stops you used in earlier posts, you should know that much.

Misconduct has a few meanings. Some misconduct is obviously illegal, but not all misconduct is illegal. In other words: misconduct is not illegal per se.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

Nice. I will now help you out. You're welcome.

You at post #52


Me at post#59


Misconduct has a few meanings. Some misconduct is obviously illegal, but not all misconduct is illegal. In other words: misconduct is not illegal per se.

Ok, but it's not helping me out, it's helping society in general to prevent police/government misconduct - most do realize this until they or people they care for are being mistreated.

I think you're still splitting hair by being unreasonably technical here - of course all misconduct is not illegal, but misconduct means something that not supposed to happen so by definition it is not acceptable conduct, ranges from being frowned upon to against policy/regulations/standing orders etc to illegal.

So my point is by splitting hairs enables pig culture to normalize all misconduct by shifting acceptability of misconduct away from serious accountability towards no accountability.

The thing that people should not lose sight of, whether you support police/government or not, is that all misconduct is unacceptable - because the government/police must be held to higher standards than regular people who are not sworn public servants living of the funds of the public purse.

 

[tvstrip]

Just to remind us that criminals don't need guns either.
And that you have crazy idiots even in supposedly safe places like Japan.

 

[VillellaMcMeans]

Just to remind us that criminals don't need guns either.
And that you have crazy idiots even in supposedly safe places like Japan.

Totally right. This incident and all incidents like this just go to prove that the false sense of security that the government is trying to sell to us is snake oil - everywhere is safe up until exactly the point when it isn't, which means exactly that, whether you get into car accident or fights at school or dog bittings etc the government cannot prevent violence.

The first line of defence against violence is always YOURSELF AND ANYONE AROUND YOU, not the government - so we have to stop giving the government the power to use violence against us.

 

[tvstrip]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/news/police-use-grappler-to-end-dramatic-chase-in-arizona/vi-AAWPBKT

I thought this was pretty cool. Useful in ending car chases safely. It gives new meaning to "the long arm of the law"

 

[Mr. Daystar]

That's fucking AWESOME!!!! Fucking Bat mobile technology, has finally paid off. Thank you Marvel, or DC, not sure. I would love to see that implemented. I was under the impression, that they had some sort of a "Buck Rogers" radar gun looking device, that screwed up a cars electrical system, causing it to stall. The thing I like about it is, it seems once it's latched up, the car doesn't seem to be able to loose control. The spike strips seem to work, but even though they let air out slowly, you never know if the idiot is gonna keep going, and wipe out, taking someone else with hi\m.

It would be great if they could fit them to helicopters too, now that would be very entertaining.

 

[tvstrip]

It would be great if they could fit them to helicopters too, now that would be very entertaining.

 

[tvstrip]

That's fucking AWESOME!!!!

There's really no other way to describe it
Much safer than the PIT, and not only does it look cooler, but the driver literally won't know what hit them.

I think it's brilliant that by just immobilizing the one tire without damaging it, the axel will stop both rear wheels simultaneously, which is much safer than blowing out just one side and risking a spin-out.

Like Day said - Fucking AWESOME.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I hope that takes off nationwide, it certainly seems like a lifesaver. Many years ago I saw a segment on some news show, showcasing a safety product for semis. It involved the trailer, and stopping it straight in an emergency. There was a device mounted on either side, and in front of the first axle, and when deployed from the cab, would drop to long rubber pads, like 1 inch thick mud flaps that were 10 feet long, The trailer tires would roll up onto them, and stop rolling, as the weight dragged the trailer to an arrow straight stop. But as far as I remember, it never seemed to take off, and it would have been best suited to trucks traveling in mountainous areas.

But this will be more publicly displayed, and in recent times, with all of the problems faced by police in any type of pursuit, something that cuts them short, or eliminates them is going to make a splash. The question is, what happens when they put it on a pick up with 4 wheel drive, and can it be mounted on cars, as well as SUV's?

 

[tvstrip]

The question is, what happens when they put it on a pick up with 4 wheel drive, and can it be mounted on cars, as well as SUV's?

It looks simple enough to be able to mount on any vehicle that can hold a bumper - but I'm just guessing.
Good question about the 4WD. Can a 4WD vehicle with power to only its front axel pull a police cruiser with it's brakes on? I don't know. But it should definitely be able to slow it down from freeway speeds.

I'm guessing that there are fewer high-speed chases involving 4WD vehicles, simply because they're not built for speed, so perhaps not the vehicle of choice for getaways? Once this becomes popular, maybe we'll get to see that scenario?


Also, within 10 years or so, every new car will be electric, at least in North America, so that EMP you were talking about might become a reality soon as well!