Pirate Attacks

[thebear247]

like some one a few post above me said . i think it was every boys dream at one time or another to be a pirate or fight off a pirate . but i bet it wasnt to cool to live it in that actually moment

pirates must not be that good tho they were armed to the teeth and yet had the ship retaken back by the unarmed hostage .

maybe they were butt pirates

 

[Philbert]

Business as Usual!!!

Not to offend anybody but this piracy seems to make the coasts of Somalia booming...they even have internet nowadays, they can feed their children already, they have put up stores on their shores selling food, cigarettes, meat, bread, these needs will feed the hostages off the coast...

Ironic but true!!! Reality bites!!

The coast will soon be booming in another style...Somali pirates are now on notice...spring cleaning time.

 

[gunslingingbird]

Here's an update on the situation.

Don't you love it how the problem with Somalian pirates wasn't really a problem until an American ship was attacked? flylicker

 

[Ravenholm]

If ye landlubbers think ye can escape the Jolly Roger, then think again, ye scurvy dogs!.

ARRRR!!!!.

 

[tannerm]

I wonder where the pirates are going now.

I was in a bar one day when a pirate came in and sat down next to me. I noticed a steering wheel sticking out of his crotch, curiously I looked at him, and asked him why the heck he had a steering wheel sticking out of his crotch.

He turned to me and said. . . . . .

 

[tannerm]

"Arrrrrrrr, its Driving Me Nuts!"

 

[Hot Mega]

Don't you love it how the problem with Somalian pirates wasn't really a problem until an American ship was attacked?

Well, of course a situation like this will resonate more with U.S. citizens and U.S news outlets when any U.S. citizen is held hostage abroad under any circumstance. That doesn't mean we were somehow dismissive of it but we have our own problems and circumstances in all cases will be priorities for us as they arise.

I considered posting about this well before a U.S. crew was attacked primarily out of a concern that the ransoms being paid may end up in the hands of terrorists....or at minimum Islamo-inspired terrorists may enjoin this activity to finance their operations.

But even if U.S. citizens are in fact more concerned because U.S. citizens are involved wouldn't that be normal?? I mean all kinds of crimes happen everyday that the average person is less concerned with unless they are the direct victims of it.

 

[Skyraider22]

Here's an update on the situation.

Don't you love it how the problem with Somalian pirates wasn't really a problem until an American ship was attacked? flylicker

You are starting to make too much sense now:scream:

 

[gunslingingbird]

Well, of course a situation like this will resonate more with U.S. citizens and U.S news outlets when any U.S. citizen is held hostage abroad under any circumstance. That doesn't mean we were somehow dismissive of it but we have our own problems and circumstances in all cases will be priorities for us as they arise.

I considered posting about this well before a U.S. crew was attacked primarily out of a concern that the ransoms being paid may end up in the hands of terrorists....or at minimum Islamo-inspired terrorists may enjoin this activity to finance their operations.

But even if U.S. citizens are in fact more concerned because U.S. citizens are involved wouldn't that be normal?? I mean all kinds of crimes happen everyday that the average person is less concerned with unless they are the direct victims of it.

No, what I mean is that no government seemed interested in the matter until yesterday. There was a thread about this about 6 months age, though I'm not gonna bother to look for it, but, if I remember correctly, there was mention about how even the countries that were most affected by Somalian piracy weren't doing anything because they either felt that it was the concern of the companies being attacked and not the entire country's, or they thought it was too hard to take any effective action against the pirates, since they could just as easily pose as stray fishermen.

Of course it's gonna take higher priority in Washington if American ships are being targeted, but what about other countries affected by piracy? Shouldn't they be doing something as well? :2 cents:

 

[Skyraider22]

That is a good question as always it is going to get worse.:dunno:

 

[Hot Mega]

Of course it's gonna take higher priority in Washington if American ships are being targeted, but what about other countries affected by piracy? Shouldn't they be doing something as well? :2 cents:

Agreed. They are terrorists as far as I'm concerned and should be interdicted the same way other armed terrorist are being interdicted.

And it's not very difficult to determine if you have a boat full of pirates or a boat full of fishermen with the technology that exists.

A couple of well placed missiles in the middle of a couple of those mother ships from which they launch their attacks should go a loong way in helping them reconsider their wayward ways.

There are few things more intimidating than watching a missile come out of nowhere, without warning and land on an enemy.

The thought of existing one second then not existing the next second without any warning will make any venture less tempting.:glugglug:

 

[stainedblueyes]

Ettiquete dictates that I say something emotionally supportive in character about now...

Gaaaarrrrrrrrrr

http://meromo.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/story-book-09050-sexy-pirate.jpg

 

[gunslingingbird]

Agreed. They are terrorists as far as I'm concerned and should be interdicted the same way other armed terrorist are being interdicted.

And it's not very difficult to determine if you have a boat full of pirates or a boat full of fishermen with the technology that exists.

A couple of well placed missiles in the middle of a couple of those mother ships from which they launch their attacks should go a loong way in helping them reconsider their wayward ways.

There are few things more intimidating than watching a missile come out of nowhere, without warning and land on an enemy.

The thought of existing one second then not existing the next second without any warning will make any venture less tempting.:glugglug:

If the military has the technology to use a satellite to read the note that you're writing in your day planner, it has the technology to monitor pirates. If it thinks it's too costly to track their activities, then implement what you said and use them for cannon fodder. I'm sure the Navy has an experimental weapon or two that it's anxious to see how it works on a live target instead of on a dummy. Plus, it wouldn't have to worry about foreign retaliation for an attack on unarmed civilians because 1. Somalia can't keep the people within its borders safe, let alone stand up for criminals in international waters, 2. The pirates are well armed and anything but defenseless, 3. Since it happens in international waters, an attack on a criminal vessel wouldn't be violating another country's sovereignty, and 4. They wouldn't be killing any productive members of society, but instead they would be ridding the world of terrorists. Isn't that what we're all about, anyway? :hatsoff:

Ettiquete dictates that I say something emotionally supportive in character about now...

Gaaaarrrrrrrrrr

http://meromo.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/story-book-09050-sexy-pirate.jpg

Gaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr!!!! Me timber be shiverin'!!! :rubbel:

 

[23lebron23]

hell train the crew or have people on board to protect the ship. All the people on the ship were taken hostage until the captin gave himself up to free the other crew members.

 

[Hot Mega]

hell train the crew or have people on board to protect the ship. All the people on the ship were taken hostage until the captin gave himself up to free the other crew members.

Probably not wise for an number of reasons but primarily because in the best case scenario they may be train to basically handle a firearm so as not to shoot in a circle and kill themselves. But there is allot more to operating as a force capable of defending a cargo ship than merely being armed. It would entail highly involved, specialized, tactical training. Otherwise all you'd be doing is introducing more weapons to the situation and increasing the likelihood of crew members being killed instead of just being held for ransom. Beyond that there would be insurance liability considerations, etc.

 

[Shindekudasai]

Guys, there are a lot of governments involved in this already. Germany, China, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc. Read what others (like me for example) already posted here.

It's just that until a couple of days ago the US didn't care. The German, Russian, Greek, Spanish and other navies are already patroling off the coast of Somalia.
But now that a US ship has been attacked, suddenly we are all supposed to sit down together and talk about how we can end this plague, at least that's what Clinton proposed. When we were asking for the support of the US navy (because there is a large US navy presence in this area), we were shooed away.
Yeah, the German navy contacted the US navy every time an incident occured, but until the US navy responded to these calls and got to the "danger zone", the German ships had already dissolved the situation on their own or the pirates had escaped (with or without their hostages), because the German war-ships had no legal authority to actually sink them.
The German government is deciding at the moment, whether special forces are to be sent down there, because they would be allowed legally to actually "hunt and kill" pirate boats. If a navy war-ship wants to do that, the German Bundestag (Federal Parliament) has to sanction that. But, as there has been no war declared, the Bundestag is not allowed to sanction that according to our constitution (Basic Constitutional Law). It's a tricky situation.

 

[Hot Mega]

It's just that until a couple of days ago the US didn't care.

It's a tricky situation.

Our news organizations have done many stories on this for years...any U.S. citizen is who follows major, national news is moderately aware of this.

As far as our government goes...uh, just in case you haven't been following..we have had other priorities.

Certainly when U.S. citizens are involved in ANY situation that involves them as hostages it is the duty of our FBI to get involved. To suggest that we're disinterested in this because we haven't necessarily been attacked is just flat wrong. I know for a fact that our military has been engaged in strategy to address this before this latest incident.

A tricky situation? For us not so much as we have a doctrine in place for dealing with armed terrorists.

 

[lovejoy]

I have studied intensively about the pirate attacks situation.

There were well over 300,000 vessels passing through the Somalia coastal area last year.

US has a very small number of vessels because many cargo ships/tankers destined to US are registered in other countries names, ie. Panama etc.

I have studied how other nations dealed with these pirates.

They have a fleet of cargo ships anywhere from 30 to 40 ships travelling together and escorted by 2 Navy ships with gun boats ready to fire.

I think it is about time for President Obama and Ms. Clinton to "do something" instead talk the talk.

There are too many B.S. coming from Obama lately. The U.S. shipping companies should organize themselves and travel in a fleet of 30 or 50 together and escorted by the US Navy through this Somalia coastal area. No more million dollar randsom money to the thugs.

I am so tired of the Republicans and the Conservative Talk Show hosts making up things stating those Pirates are armed by Yemen and the money going to the terrorists and coming back to attack America. All bullsh't !

Those Somalia are thugs and thieves ! Forget high-tech satellites, American cargo ships can not travel alone but must travel all together and looking out for each other with US military and NATO Forces to escort them.

Case closed.

 

[Skyraider22]

They are in talks to release the rest of the crew:thumbsup:

 

[Hot Mega]

Those Somalia are thugs and thieves ! Forget high-tech satellites, American cargo ships can not travel alone but must travel all together and looking out for each other with US military and NATO Forces to escort them.

Case closed.

Well you don't need "high-tech satellites" nowadays. There are other systems that are allot more capable, practical and functional for this scenario.

I personally would like any military role to be limited as this is private industry
and as such they ought to be paying for their own risks. There are private protection forces out there more than capable of dealing with this kind of threat.

To the extent that the navies of different states get involved, it should be to establish a presence, take harsh, decisive action against these groups and make the risk too great for the reward. Then these private companies should be doing what any other private industry would do when the risk to your business grows to the point you need protection....HIRE SOME! Or, shut up and pay ransom.

I don't believe it's the role of our military to play private industry security guard.