this is why no one watches the mainstream dinosaur presstitute mainstream media any more, what a bunch of paid lackey shills
Piers Morgan loses it in *** control "debate."
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Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
He used to be...then came obama.
I guarantee sales are starting to spike over this tragedy, and I guarantee obama wants to do something, but knows it's political suicide. If hes re elected, he'll try something...how successful he'll be is unclear, but he'll try. Sad thing is, you can't really win...I've heard Romney clearly state he doesn't believe private citizens should have "those types of guns". None of them want us to, they all want us disarmed, reliant, and helpless, sucking at their tit for everything, and they want us to be grateful for the oppression they hand out.
Truth is, if my bike wasn't in the shop, and my house didn't need some work, I would go out and get the one I've been wanting for the past 5 years...soon hopefully.
The 2nd amendmend says "a well regulated militia". The militia may have been well regulated during the Founding ****** Era but it isn't anymore. So the militia of the 21 century no longer fulfills the conditions defined by the second amendment.
My thought is that USA should put an end to selective conscription, make conscription mandatory for every able-bodied and mentaly stable citizen reaching 21 years old. Then, only those who would have fullfilled conscription would be allowed to buy, own, carry and use guns.
Mayhem
Banned
Well, Bloombergs posturing and peeving aside, a Prez can push for more *** control, ala Clinton, but this is definitely a case where Congress has to do the work. And there is just no freakin' way. This is the one and only area where the Tea Party has some potential good. I keep telling people on HuffPost to quit blaming the NRA, because it's the people that don't want more *** control. Both sides of both Houses of Congress know this, and no one wants to suit up, battle it out, and lose their next election.
And for the record, this is where I take serious issue with the stupidity of my fellow pro-gunners. "Don't be electin' Obamer, he'll take yer guns." Sheesh.
For all the talk about the Constitution, not a lot of us seem to have read the damn thing. The President, once again, is not empowered to "take" anything, and can't limit the manufacture, importation and/or sale of anything without authorization from Congress. And that authorization is, quite simply, not going to happen for at least another generation.
And for the record, this is where I take serious issue with the stupidity of my fellow pro-gunners. "Don't be electin' Obamer, he'll take yer guns." Sheesh.
For all the talk about the Constitution, not a lot of us seem to have read the damn thing. The President, once again, is not empowered to "take" anything, and can't limit the manufacture, importation and/or sale of anything without authorization from Congress. And that authorization is, quite simply, not going to happen for at least another generation.
Mayhem
Banned
The 2nd Amendment says "The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed."
Mandatory conscription is the very worst thing that we can do to our military. As someone who has been there, and can speak on this subject for everyone else, we don't want anyone in our military that doesn't want to be there. Period. And then there's the fact that there is no way, by any stretch of reality, that we could ever afford mandatory conscription ever again.
And again, as someone who has been there, don't ever assume that because someone is a soldier, policeman, etc., that they are proficient with firearms. It's sad, and I hated it, but it's the truth. Hell, I once saw a Major who was so afraid of her 9mm Beretta, she shot the ground 3 meters to the right/front of her. Fuckin' pathetic.
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I love guns, but as soon as I perfect my death ray, well, do I really have to explain?
On a side note, here's a funny story-
A DEA officer stopped at a ranch in Texas, and talked with an old rancher. He told the rancher, "I need to inspect your ranch for illegally grown *****." The rancher said, "Okay , but don't go in that field over there.....", as he pointed out the location.
The DEA officer verbally exploded saying, " Mister, I have the authority of the Federal Government with me!" Reaching into his rear pants pocket, the arrogant officer removed his badge and proudly displayed it to the rancher. "See this fucking badge?! This badge means I am allowed to go wherever I wish.... On any land !! No questions asked or answers given!! Have I made myself clear?.... do you understand?!!"
The rancher nodded politely, apologized, and went about his chores. A short time later, the old rancher heard loud screams, looked up, and saw the DEA officer running for his life, being chased by the rancher's big Santa Gertrudis bull...... With every step the bull was gaining ground on the officer, and it seemed likely that he'd sure enough get gored before he reached safety. The officer was clearly terrified. The rancher threw down his tools, ran to the fence and yelled at the top of his lungs....."Your badge, show him your fucking BADGE!!"
On a side note, here's a funny story-
A DEA officer stopped at a ranch in Texas, and talked with an old rancher. He told the rancher, "I need to inspect your ranch for illegally grown *****." The rancher said, "Okay , but don't go in that field over there.....", as he pointed out the location.
The DEA officer verbally exploded saying, " Mister, I have the authority of the Federal Government with me!" Reaching into his rear pants pocket, the arrogant officer removed his badge and proudly displayed it to the rancher. "See this fucking badge?! This badge means I am allowed to go wherever I wish.... On any land !! No questions asked or answers given!! Have I made myself clear?.... do you understand?!!"
The rancher nodded politely, apologized, and went about his chores. A short time later, the old rancher heard loud screams, looked up, and saw the DEA officer running for his life, being chased by the rancher's big Santa Gertrudis bull...... With every step the bull was gaining ground on the officer, and it seemed likely that he'd sure enough get gored before he reached safety. The officer was clearly terrified. The rancher threw down his tools, ran to the fence and yelled at the top of his lungs....."Your badge, show him your fucking BADGE!!"
It say it will not be infringed because a well regulated militia is necesary.
Since the militia isn't well regulated, the rest of the sentence should not be applied.
Point taken.
But something must be done to avoid mentaly instable people to be able to buy, own, carry and use guns.
Something must be done to ensure that every ***-buyer is well aware of the danger it represents and knows how to use it, how to take care of it, how to keep **** away from it, etc...
Mayhem
Banned
Johan, I'll debate with you, and I'll keep it civil, but seriously, a guy from France isn't going to "teach" me how to read my own Constitution. A "well regulated militia" originates from the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms. Not the other way around. And I have a few hundred Constitutional scholars backing me up. And the fact that the 2nd Amendment is the law of the land 220+ years later is not hurting my case either.
I suggest that you read the rest of the Bill of Rights, front to back, and tell me what you think the document, as a whole, means to you. What precisely was the intent of these 10 Amendments? I already know the answer but I'm curious if you do, if you even bother to think about the context of the 2nd Amendment as it relates to the rest of the document.
To me, the intent of these 10 amendments was to protect the people of America. To make sure the country would never fall in the end of some dictator that would put and end to their freedom. To ensure the people of America will keep being a free people.
The 2nd amendment was supposed to give the people the right to be able to fight with equal chance against an oppresive government if needed.
Am I right ?
Anyway, it's still a 220 years old paper. When was the last time the 4th amendment applied ? Do you think it could be applied during the next... lets say 50 years ?
If needed, do you realy think the people of america could remove a dictator from the White House ?
The people of Lybia needed help from the UN to remove Khadafi. The people of Syria have been fighting for more than an year and they are still far from removing Bashar al-Assad...
The 2nd amendment was supposed to give the people the right to be able to fight with equal chance against an oppresive government if needed.
Am I right ?
Anyway, it's still a 220 years old paper. When was the last time the 4th amendment applied ? Do you think it could be applied during the next... lets say 50 years ?
If needed, do you realy think the people of america could remove a dictator from the White House ?
The people of Lybia needed help from the UN to remove Khadafi. The people of Syria have been fighting for more than an year and they are still far from removing Bashar al-Assad...
Mayhem
Banned
Dude, are you serious?!? The 4th Amendment is applied every single day. And I do mean, every single day since its inception. If you ever run into an American *************** official, lawyer or judge, ask him/her about the 4th.
Anyway, the rest of your answer is right...mostly. Y'see, as I've said before, there is no shortage of revolutionary governments, past and present, in the world. There have been many. One of the first things that the vast majority of revolutionary governments did, once they achieved power, was to make sure the same thing didn't happen to them. Laws, regulations and policies would be immediately implemented to insure that those in power kept their power. The Americans, on the other hand, wrote a blueprint on how to conduct a future revolution, should it become necessary. The Founding Fathers put a lot of thought into making it straightforward and easy to revolt against the very same government that they, themselves were forming. That blueprint is called the Bill of Rights. And it's actually, kind of a misnomer. Rather that stating what people can do, it enumerates what government can't. Look at the wording:
"Congress shall make no law ....."
"...shall not be infringed."
"...shall not be ********..."
"No person shall be held to answer....." "...nor shall be compelled..."
"...no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States,..."
etc.
One of the points here is making it so we don't ever have to "remove a dictator from the White House." But, should it become necessary, yes we could, and we would.
You mention Libya and Syria. Two countries where the populace does not have the right to keep and bear arms. As was Sarajevo, Bosnia, Srebenicza, the Sudan, Iraq, pre-WWII Germany, Burma/Myanmar and any number of other places (and yes, I know I'm being redundant with the first three place-names...all three and more bear mentioning separately) and times. The common thread of all these places/times/events is that the common people bore the brunt of suffering, tyranny, hostility, genocide and every other fucked up thing that can ever happen to a human being.
I'm sorry for the shootings that happen here. I take them a lot less casually and complacently then most of the people I see around me. But I can't help but notice a lot of attention directed at Aurora, Colorado when there was a great big collective snore towards Bosnia and the Sudan. So don't try to tell me that *** laws are the reason people die.
Anyway, the rest of your answer is right...mostly. Y'see, as I've said before, there is no shortage of revolutionary governments, past and present, in the world. There have been many. One of the first things that the vast majority of revolutionary governments did, once they achieved power, was to make sure the same thing didn't happen to them. Laws, regulations and policies would be immediately implemented to insure that those in power kept their power. The Americans, on the other hand, wrote a blueprint on how to conduct a future revolution, should it become necessary. The Founding Fathers put a lot of thought into making it straightforward and easy to revolt against the very same government that they, themselves were forming. That blueprint is called the Bill of Rights. And it's actually, kind of a misnomer. Rather that stating what people can do, it enumerates what government can't. Look at the wording:
"Congress shall make no law ....."
"...shall not be infringed."
"...shall not be ********..."
"No person shall be held to answer....." "...nor shall be compelled..."
"...no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States,..."
etc.
One of the points here is making it so we don't ever have to "remove a dictator from the White House." But, should it become necessary, yes we could, and we would.
You mention Libya and Syria. Two countries where the populace does not have the right to keep and bear arms. As was Sarajevo, Bosnia, Srebenicza, the Sudan, Iraq, pre-WWII Germany, Burma/Myanmar and any number of other places (and yes, I know I'm being redundant with the first three place-names...all three and more bear mentioning separately) and times. The common thread of all these places/times/events is that the common people bore the brunt of suffering, tyranny, hostility, genocide and every other fucked up thing that can ever happen to a human being.
I'm sorry for the shootings that happen here. I take them a lot less casually and complacently then most of the people I see around me. But I can't help but notice a lot of attention directed at Aurora, Colorado when there was a great big collective snore towards Bosnia and the Sudan. So don't try to tell me that *** laws are the reason people die.
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
That's why I said he'll try something. He does have options, and while he can't just come right out and pass a law...politicians are sneaky, and masters of the loophole. He may try and sign a UN treaty, he may try some executive order b.s., who knows.
One thing you can't deny, every time they try and push for this bullshit, there is ALWAYS a couple of major tragedies, and they always use them to whore their agenda...and to be honest, I truly believe they're behind them. I know it sounds a little to conspiracy theory, but IT'S ALWAYS the way it happens.
As far as the french man goes....he'll be begging for our guns, when the Germans come again.
One thing you can't deny, every time they try and push for this bullshit, there is ALWAYS a couple of major tragedies, and they always use them to whore their agenda...and to be honest, I truly believe they're behind them. I know it sounds a little to conspiracy theory, but IT'S ALWAYS the way it happens.
As far as the french man goes....he'll be begging for our guns, when the Germans come again.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
The Constitution still applies. Americans have the right to own weapons to stop tyranny.
You do not live in America. You do not have freedom of speech.
Yes
It does apply. The Militia is made up of people. Not regulated by the federal government.
But something must be done to avoid mentaly instable people to be able to buy, own, carry and use guns.
Something must be done to ensure that every ***-buyer is well aware of the danger it represents and knows how to use it, how to take care of it, how to keep **** away from it, etc...[/QUOTE]
The Militia is regulated by the people to oppose tyranny. Like it or not, the federal government has no say in the Militia.
:clap:
bobjustbob
Proud member of FreeOnes Hall Of Fame. Retired to
Sick people **** people and we can never find them all. My mental health may be fine today but something may happen that might make me snap. Taking away the guns doesn't change any of this because I don't need a ***. I can use a *****. I can build my own bomb. I can run my car through the Macy's parade. I always hear the question,"Why do you need a ***?" It's the same reason that I need that thick greasy cheese burgher. Because I have every right to have one no matter what you think. Some people have this addiction to run others lives to the point of organizing their needs and wants. They all need the world to conform to their standards. If I like having my *** or cheese burgher and I'm not hurting you then just leave me alone.
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
You ever notice, no matter WHAT the issue, those that are against, want totalitarian compliance, and adhesion to their will, but those of us that just want our rights, just want what is right, and don't really care if those that are against want it, just leave us alone, to live our lives, but the other side can't accept that...their way, or the highway. I could care less if you clog your veins with a greasy cheeseburger, I'll have the boneless chicken breast. I could care less if you don't want to carry a ***, but I am, because it is my right, and it's a dangerous world. It's always boggled my mind, how people can scream that they have the 1st Amendment right...but they use it to try and erode the other Constitutional rights, as if any of them would work, without the others. I can't see the rest of the Amendments standing tall, without the 2nd Amendment to guard it.
Americans have the right to own weapons to stop tyranny.
You do not live in America. You do not have freedom of speech.
Yes
It does apply. The Militia is made up of people. Not regulated by the federal government.
But something must be done to avoid mentaly instable people to be able to buy, own, carry and use guns.
Something must be done to ensure that every ***-buyer is well aware of the danger it represents and knows how to use it, how to take care of it, how to keep **** away from it, etc...
The Militia is regulated by the people to oppose tyranny. Like it or not, the federal government has no say in the Militia.
:clap:Wow. Nothing of substance in that whole post. Amazing.
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Will E. Worm, Asshat of the Year, is a droll troll.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
No, I **** your posts. There is never anything resembling truth in your posts.
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When was the last tie they juse their weapons to fight tyranny in the US ?
Americans have the right to own weapons to stop tyranny.
Whee is it written that only USA resident can have their opinion about what's happening in the US ?
Its take more than a bunch of guys holding *** to have a militia. A militia is organised, it has some leaders.
I'm not talking about government, i'm talking about having in erach city or county someone who, in case the militia would be taking arms, would take command. He could be elected among the milicians, by themselves...
'cause, whatever numerous is a militia or an army, if it's not organised, it can't win.
This is not debating. This is propaganda...