Osama Bin Laden Dead?

DrMotorcity

Don Trump calls me Pornography Man
I have no clue, I don't listen to Elvis

That's too bad for your sake! "He" was just here a minute ago, and after having seen your reply, well, there was such an indignant uproar of sequins, sideburns and smashed television sets that I didn't care to be around!

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"Nah. Justice for the fucker who killed your loved ones is just a sentimental reason".

That's a loaded question. However it is mostly true no matter how they feel about it. I never said justice for it's own sake wasn't important. I just think a thirst for either that or especially vengeance should never override sound reasoning.

Roughneck said:
I'm not speaking of sentiment - Justice is never about sentiment. Dude just murdered 3000 of our fellow citizens and he should be punished for his crimes.

Sure it is, at least part of it. It is either about stopping the criminal from committing more crimes or as a punishment because of a belief that they should have to stand accountable for their actions. Justice is about both prevention, and the philosophy (a sentimental reason) of being held accountable. If it isn't about either of those then it's probably more than likely a form a vengeance.

Roughneck said:
That's not the point.

Or are you saying "Kids, if you want to commit a crime, think big. The bigger your crime, the less the chance that the law will try to prosecute you for it because they will be more interested in "stopping" the next one" ?

I don't care about his "importance to the current jihadist movement" - I care about bringing a mass murderer to justice.

Of course not, every reasonable approach should be taken to bring somebody to justice, and the worse crimes you commit the more that should going into doing so and that is the case. I still wouldn't unduly put other people in harms way just to get somebody that was a reduced threat. Just like I wouldn't pull every cop off the streets to continuously search in a city to find a killer that is still at large from 6 years ago.

For its part I don't think America has gone overboard with its search of Osama, even when they were first looking for him. In fact they probably don't search as hard now as they used to do. I think that is a combination of people thinking like I do on this issue and partly because they don't want to piss off Pakistan and go in there to find him. In any case if I had to choose between catching a criminal today and preventing somebody from becoming another victim it would definitely be the later.
 
I don't think he is dead. However even if eh is those who blindly folllow what he says will now act out even more and take even bigger risks and make larger attempts to bomb America and UK as an act of hatered as there leader is dead.
 
the 9-11 atack investigations are still under suspect, in the first moment after the attack Ben Laden and Alqueda denied that they made the attack, later they accepted that, maybe because with that they found unstoppable the american obseesion over Alqueda (remember that before the attacks america was behind alqueda -like the afganistan bombing in clinton administration), later alqueada accepted that were them whose made these attacks, maybe to become heroes to some extremists islam factions???

suddenly it seems that all the international terrorims comes from alqueda, thats a joke, the first attack against the WTC had nothing to do with alqueda,laden and taliban

anyway if laden is dead, who cares?
 

FullMoonWolf

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DrMotorcity

Don Trump calls me Pornography Man
osama bin laden = an excuse to be in other peoples countries for oil.

Even if that were true, what have you done as an individual to alter your lifestyle to aleviate your own dependancy on oil. Ride a horse? Sit out on the front porch during summer (as opposed to being sequestered in an airconditioned room in front of a big, bad, wide screen with multi-channel sound)? How 'bout that PC you're looking at right now; I suppose it runs on hay.

Your post exhibited a very uninspired and provincial (albeit popular) view of worldly matters, that fortunately for the rest of use, are left in much more qualified hands to administer.
 
I can understand some views of the US.
But to hold up a spoiled brat of a pampered child like Bin Laden?
I could think of far better leaders with real plights.
 

squallumz

knows petras secret: she farted.
Even if that were true, what have you done as an individual to alter your lifestyle to aleviate your own dependancy on oil. Ride a horse? Sit out on the front porch during summer (as opposed to being sequestered in an airconditioned room in front of a big, bad, wide screen with multi-channel sound)? How 'bout that PC you're looking at right now; I suppose it runs on hay.

Your post exhibited a very uninspired and provincial (albeit popular) view of worldly matters, that fortunately for the rest of use, are left in much more qualified hands to administer.

as a matter of fact, we run a wind powered dry cell battery. it powers our home just fine. all year long. kthx.
 

squallumz

knows petras secret: she farted.
Great answer - and good for you :) :thumbsup:

thanks, mate. best part too is we get a check from the power company. how good would that make u feel. those bastards!

it pays for itself and requires almost no wind at all. youd be surprised. i try to do my part, and i think with a little more concern and action up in washington, the government could easily help with the dependancy. sun, water, and wind are free, renewable, and there are no by-products from utilizing them as an energy source.

free energy everywhere!
 
Wind power is about the only viable "renewable energy"

as a matter of fact, we run a wind powered dry cell battery. it powers our home just fine. all year long. kthx.
I'm a huge proponent of wind power. It's the only viable "renewable energy" for mass distribution. The investment -- both economical and environmental -- is low impact. The efficiency and return is very good.

I'm glad to see people actually "on the boat," and not just pointing to solar or just saying "renewable energies" not knowing the first thing of what they are talking about.

My personal favorite as of late is the home electrolysis units that produce hydrogen for fuel-cell cars. People think it's the greatest thing and invention -- until I inform them they'll note only pay more in power for the electrolysis operation than gas, but in most countries (other than France), they'll use far more fossil fuels to generate that electricity.
 
The only problem I have with wind power would be the fact that you need a lot of generators to have it work on a mass level. Having one or two windmills on some hillside in the distance wouldn't look that bad and might even be picturesque. Having thousands of them scattered across the countryside would look like an abomination against nature. It still would be better than killing ourselves with oil however so I would still use it. Maybe in the future it will be viable to create hydrogen from processes that don't rely on fossil fuels themselves.

I also think Americans are very wasteful when it comes to energy because we take it for granted. As long as we plug something in an outlet and turn on a switch and have it work we generally don't care about what it takes to get that. There is no free lunch; we don't get something from nothing, not as long as the law of the conservation of energy holds true. There will always be things we can't get around when we go through our daily lives, like driving to work in a car for some people, or using lighting at night. However I see just as often people go on meaningless joyrides when they don't have to, leave lights on in rooms that are not in use, and I have even seen public buildings where the heat is kept on even when nobody is using it at the moment. Even with air conditioning there are people that use it when it's only slightly warm out. In fact for all but a couple of years in my life I have not even had air conditioning and it’s something I could be willing to live without. To think that Americans are stuck with our energy usage and there is nothing we can do to improve our situation is faulty.
 
Power Generation

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The only problem I have with wind power would be the fact that you need a lot of generators to have it work on a mass level. Having one or two windmills on some hillside in the distance wouldn't look that bad and might even be picturesque. Having thousands of them scattered across the countryside would look like an abomination against nature.
Which is Senator Kennedy's problem too, hence why even that Democrat is fighting it.

But still, it takes over an order of magnitude more acreage in solar panels (let alone exponentially more cost) than wind. Generators do not have to be above ground either, and are a necessary evil of any mechanical generation. Solar proponents like to point that out, yet they ignore the fact that direct heat to electrical conversion -- as Einstein himself proved -- is wholly inefficient for the area used, even after considering generators.

It still would be better than killing ourselves with oil however so I would still use it.
Or coal for that matter. That's because both still require generators as well.

Maybe in the future it will be viable to create hydrogen from processes that don't rely on fossil fuels themselves.
Yes, if we actually renovated the power grid like France and went to fission. The Bush administration has put $4B into fission R&D research, the first to do so in 40 years. And he's merely just matching what 10 other countries are doing, as a collective -- from Britain to China to Japan to Russia.

One of the biggest proponents of fission power that has finally opened up the reconsideration since the mid-'90s was the co-founder of Greenpeace. He helped found Greenpeace on the platform against fission energy, and now admits he was wrong, very wrong!. Most of his critics show their utter scientific ignorance when debating him.

I also think Americans are very wasteful when it comes to energy because we take it for granted. As long as we plug something in an outlet and turn on a switch and have it work we generally don't care about what it takes to get that.
So damn true! The hydrogen generator that people buy for their homes is a perfect example. Not only will it cost more, but until the power grid is renovated and expanded, it will overload the grid and cause rolling blackouts!

California is what I consider the stupid state because the outlawed new, cleaner power plants to be built for 10 years. Guess what they got? Exactly.

There is no free lunch; we don't get something from nothing, not as long as the law of the conservation of energy holds true.
Not so! As much as I dislike many things about the French government (not French people), they have had the foresight to not only go fission, but improve it! That's why whenever people want to study fission power, they go to France because the US is 40+ years behind! At least until 2005, when the Congress and Bush finally approved $4B in new, very needed research to match 9 other countries.

There will always be things we can't get around when we go through our daily lives, like driving to work in a car for some people, or using lighting at night.
Yes, but if we "clean" the power grid by:
A. Replacing our old fission plants with newer, more powerful and longer-lasting ones
B. Augmenting the number of our fission plants, to take over other fossil fuel ones
C. Install wind farms in areas of vast plains and high winds (mid-west and west)
D. Upgrading older fossil fuel plants to coal power plants with new electromagnetic scrubbers

Only then can we provide the 3-fold increase in the power grid that a home with new electric/hydrogen vehicles and systems would need. The American consumer keeps focusing on the chicken -- while EEs realize we can't even handle the egg!

At least the US has major coal reserves, countries like the UK do not. At the same time, the UK doesn't need the energy the US does. So coal will continue to be a major source in the US. In the last 5 years, we've developed the technology to scrub almost every single particle of burning coal -- which means in 10-15 years, it will be feasible to install on virtually every plant.

That's a great complement to more fission, while cutting limited reserves like petroleum and natural gas. And once we have the electrical generation to handle increased household use of electricity, then and only then can the consumer power their own zero emission vehicles -- NOT BEFORE!

However I see just as often people go on meaningless joyrides when they don't have to, leave lights on in rooms that are not in use, and I have even seen public buildings where the heat is kept on even when nobody is using it at the moment.
And why haven't they moved to flourescent lighting? Etc...? But businesses are even more guilty too.

Even with air conditioning there are people that use it when it's only slightly warm out. In fact for all but a couple of years in my life I have not even had air conditioning and it’s something I could be willing to live without. To think that Americans are stuck with our energy usage and there is nothing we can do to improve our situation is faulty.
I grew up without A/C. ;)
 
You just know Osama is going to turn up on some chat show somewhere, somehow, its going to happen!!!

Anyway, as for energy, nothing will be done until there are no politicians with any financial or otherwise personally beneficial interest in the oil industry. Wind power I say, LPG in cars, solar panels, the lot. I think, again, we should look to other countries for the way forward, in this case Iceland, where 99% of power is generated by hydropower and geothermal energy (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ic.html#Econ). Also, they are testing all sorts of different car technologies there.
 
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