Organ Donation - Pro or Con?

Would you donate your organs to another person to help save or extend their life?

  • Yes - absolutely.

    Votes: 29 76.3%
  • No - that's just weird and gross.

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • My religious faith preculdes this option for me.

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • I've never seriously thought about it...

    Votes: 7 18.4%

  • Total voters
    38
First off, I am an organ donor, because what I'm going to say next might make you think otherwise.

Secondly, I keep hearing the word die here -- you do not have to always "die" to be an organ donor under some state or federal laws.
The big issue is that many organs should be transplanted while the body is still alive and that puts a "spot decision" on the paramedics or doctors involved.
The last thing the overwhelming majority of medical professionals want to do is make a wrong decision, but a lot of decisions come down to probability.
It's not merely a matter if you die, but the chances of you dying, and if it's high enough, they will turn you into a donor before you are actually dead.

There are even a few cases in some states/federal where the rule of law is that if you are in a reduced state of "quality of life," they can terminate your life and use your organs.
Now there are a lot of false "urban legends" around this, but there is also some black market dealings at times.
As much as 99.99% of paramedics are good people, they are not well paid, and some have some have done some rather unethical things in their time.
Now it's extremely rare that you could be a victim of this, but understand if you sign up to be an organ donor, it's a remote possibility.

Now, again, I am an organ donor because I believe the benefits outweigh the rare risks of everything from professional, medical judgment (even of paramedics) to unprincipled people.

Now should the US ever lift the ban on paid organ donations, I will remove myself as an organ donor because it will massively increase the fraud.
It's not like making drugs legal to reduce the black market and corruption, because they can be made in mass quantity and supply, with much of the cost comes from the fact that they are illegal.
Available organs to donate are still limited regardless of whether or not they can be paid for legally or illegally, which means bidding wars may result in very high prices, and people seeing opportunities they would not under the current system that disallows paying for donations.
 
poggy1 said:
Easy answer 'what you going to do with it in the ground or in the fire' answer nothing so you're been selfish denying a better life or a life to the other person.
Be careful with your assumptions, because it's not always what you think.
I, for example, had to stop giving blood because many of the volunteer professionals in the "bloodmobiles" don't have enough professional medical knowledge to do my transfer correctly.
I not only had 3 clots in a row to finish out my last 3 donations, but the staff was rather ignorant of what damage they caused my body.

When I give blood now, I go directly to a professional institution and ask for at least a RN.

Keep in mind that paramedics are NOT RNs, and they do make mistakes -- let alone ERs themselves can be disorganized.
Especially when it comes to organ donation, there are documented cases where an incorrect decision was made.
Yes, in most of the cases, they want to keep you alive for the organs too, so it's the same objective.
But sometimes the wrong decision is made of your fate.
 
Prof Voluptuary said:
The big issue is that many organs should be transplanted while the body is still alive and that puts a "spot decision" on the paramedics or doctors involved.

That is probably the biggest problem I have with it. I wouldn't care if I were long dead if they started taking things out of my body. However, the timing on some organ donations is so close that they have to move very quickly. I don't want some doctor to start "harvesting" me when I still have a chance to live no matter how small, because some person at the other end of the city has been on a waiting list for seven years. Now most of you probably think doctors wouldn’t do that, and the vast majority probably wouldn’t. I still don't want to take that chance.
 
since many years i own a organ-donation-document, why should those things rotten or get burnt when i´m dead if they can help anybody.
They should take what they need when í´m gone. It must be only your decision if you wanna do that.
F... any religion which says no to organ-transplantation / donation :mad:
 

SeraphiM

Retired Moderator
The fact of the matter is that in most states (here in the US) the decision is left to the next of kin, regardless of the deceased wishes. The organ donor cards are in place should a next of kin is not able to be notified because of short life of organs after death.
Is it a selfish act not to donate? Tough question. I always try and place myself in other people's shoes (a hard thing for me to do after so many years on the streets).
If it were one of my family members on an organ recipient list I would be upset about the lack of donors, but being objective about this, I tend to think that it should be left to the individual to decide. So to answer this I say this. It not be a selfish act, but a short sighted one.
Looking at the bigger picture, I leave you this final thought. If there is a heaven (which I do believe) wouldn't it nice to look down upon some one you gave the gift of life to? See the joy in a family during the holidays, birthdays, birth of children/grandchildren and other special occasions? :2 cents:
 
D-rock said:
That is probably the biggest problem I have with it. I wouldn't care if I were long dead if they started taking things out of my body. However, the timing on some organ donations is so close that they have to move very quickly. I don't want some doctor to start "harvesting" me when I still have a chance to live no matter how small, because some person at the other end of the city has been on a waiting list for seven years. Now most of you probably think doctors wouldn’t do that, and the vast majority probably wouldn’t. I still don't want to take that chance.
Doctors have to choose, and some doctors aren't afraid to put it into scientific, statistical reality.
I don't hold anything against such doctors, but just be aware that you may not be dead, and there could be a chance of living, even if it's not good odds.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I have VERY mixed feelings on this...I really don't know. I do know that I am not listed as a donor at this time...I also know that up until about 5 months ago, I smoked 2 packs a day...for a lot of years. Up until my mid 20's I did a lot of drugs...and drank until my mid 30's. I also wear glasses. I'm not being funny...I don't think they want 'em!
 
good point rev. my organs are probably all fucked up too.haha
but once i'm dead, they can go ahead and carve me up and take whatever they want, and give what evers left over to necrophiles to have a go at. I couldn't care less.
 
Prof Voluptuary said:
Doctors have to choose, and some doctors aren't afraid to put it into scientific, statistical reality.
I don't hold anything against such doctors, but just be aware that you may not be dead, and there could be a chance of living, even if it's not good odds.
That's right, but the evil is always and everywhere. And what is worse - ignorance is even more "always and everywhere". Your life may depend on a doctor when you are already standing at the gates, but nowadays you are lucky when there is someone trying to resuscitate you if you break down with a heart attack. There have been several tests made in crowded places with actors pretending to have heart attacks, most people either didn't care for the person in need or stood there just watching.

What I'm trying to say, for not drifting off-topic: your chances of dying because an evil doctor wants to have your organs for another patient are very low, IMO. No need to be over-careful.

Btw., I voted for "yes - absolutely"

:hatsoff: Jackson
 
yes of course.. and i don't see the point if anyone would vote for second choice.. i think that's a serious responsibility for everybody..
 
Jacksson_77 said:
What I'm trying to say, for not drifting off-topic: your chances of dying because an evil doctor wants to have your organs for another patient are very low, IMO. No need to be over-careful.
I didn't say they were "evil doctors" -- in fact, all MDs and RNs that I know of, that most everyone knows of, are very dedicated to their bound oath to do no harm.
Some doctors just have to make that judgemental call, and sometimes that comes down to probability on whether you will live and/or what quality of life they think you will have.

Why did you demonize my statements into such a simple-minded conclusion?

In fact, most of the "evil" people surrounding black market donations are NOT licensed, medical professionals.
In fact, most malpractice lawsuits are NOT because of what a MD or RN does, but what some medical transcriptionist screwed up on, or what paperwork was done wrong by a clerk.
But it falls on to the MD (or RN), their insurance, etc... because they are ultimately responsible (or at least from the standpoint of a lawyer and where he can sue for monetary damages ;).

Sometimes I honestly think people hear what I say and believe what they want, instead of trying to convey the message I really stated.

Especially since I am an organ donor.
 
epic said:
yes of course.. and i don't see the point if anyone would vote for second choice.. i think that's a serious responsibility for everybody..
I think I gave sound reasons why someone might not.
And I have nothing against people who choose not to be one.

In fact, it's not stopping to realize that some people do have sound issues for not doing so that it's rather arrogant.

E.g., you're much like the type of person that guilts me everytime the Blood Bank comes around for donations, not stopping to realize I have clots with the crappy equipment and (often) unlicensed volunteers they have on-staff in those things.
I still give blood, but I give it at my doctor's office where they have better instruments for my body, instead of giving me a clot everytime, keep repoking and re-trying to take blood, and not taking it seriously when they are creating a possibly serious medical condition for myself.
 
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fuck no my organs are mine or my loved ones never would i say yes i am an organ donor and posibly not be treated incase of a life threatening injury.
 
I have absolutely no idea what you just tried to say - you said "fuck no" and then "yes i am an organ donor" and then "not be treated."

I'm thoroughly confused by your post... lol :dunno: :confused: :rolleyes:


glk35 said:
fuck no my organs are mine or my loved ones never would i say yes i am an organ donor and posibly not be treated incase of a life threatening injury.
 
glk35 said:
fuck no my organs are mine or my loved ones never would i say yes i am an organ donor and posibly not be treated incase of a life threatening injury.
Loved ones, if available, have the say in most jurisdictions, regardless of your card's declaration.
Your card's declaration is for when no one can be reached and time is running out.
 
too bad cuz we're gonna cut out your organs while youre sleeping and leave you in a seedy motel bathtub full of ice.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
Tough question and voted the last choice in the poll. I honestely don't know, I was always thinking the crematory would be my final destination if I die.
Slightly off topic but I have to say something. I also read the about organs traffic and what was done to some children in South America, they were murdered and their organs were used for helping kids of rich parents. Also a rethorical question, can you be sure that someone will always help you if you are severely injuried? The answer is no. And there are also factors of compatibility between donors and many other things as well. It is a double edge subject. For me it is tough to express an opinion on it.
 
Nightfly said:
I have absolutely no idea what you just tried to say - you said "fuck no" and then "yes i am an organ donor" and then "not be treated."

I'm thoroughly confused by your post... lol :dunno: :confused: :rolleyes:
dont twist the words it says "never would i say" yes
does that help with the confusion
 
Prof Voluptuary said:
Loved ones, if available, have the say in most jurisdictions, regardless of your card's declaration.
Your card's declaration is for when no one can be reached and time is running out.

what i meant is if one of my loved ones needed a kidney or some organ that i could donate then i would.
 
I'm never donating my organ. I like to play with it too much (at least 10 times a day). Anyway what would rosie palm and her 5 sisters say ;)
 
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