Obama's first decision as PREZ elect

So grabbing someone's revenues but he/she succeeds better than others and redistributing it to other leech offs or lazy ass parasites is normal for you? What you want is social assisting therefore socialism. Personally living in a country where there was 30 years of social assisting for parasites, it is be a bad thing to think that socialism is a good thing and will save USA from the bankruptcy.

I'm currently unable to work due to an injury (cervical hernia) so i am a parasite.

The taxes i have paid to support other citizens who were also stuck in a situation like mine, therefore parasites too, are good for me too.

Of course, i'm just pointing out that social assisting isnt only for leech offs or lazy parasites. It is a usefull tool for respectable citizens like me too. So our societies should give away that social tool because of those who abuse it?

Your comment is so one-sided... I mean, do you really think France is a socialist country? Do you think we should call everything that comes from the right side fascist too? It will make the world goes round... :dunno:

Regarding USA.
There will never be a 0% unemployment in any given country. Especially not in an economical context like there is in the USA at this very moment. What will happend if respectable citizens are no longer able to find a work - like it might happend in areas where the automobile industry provides most of the jobs? They will become parasites, leeches or something alike?
 
Men create babies, women harbor them. How does the creator of something have no say in it's life?
 
No. The conservatives crucified Obama for saying "spread the wealth around". While ignoring the fact that that is exactly what taxes are for. They "spread the wealth around" so we can have services like police, public school teachers, firemen, etc. etc.

No, that is NOT what taxes are for. Taxes, are for building and maintaining infrastructure. And on a federal level, that has a certain number of things it goes for, just like on the local, county, and state level. "Spreading the wealth around" is redistributing income tax to PEOPLE who do not have as much money- it's a bad idea, and it's eventually, unsustainable. Because eventually, people making lots of money go to places where the taxation isn't so oppressive. And when they go, they take their businesses and tax money with them.

Tax money is collected and put back into services (teachers, schools, fire and police, roads) as part of a budget. And what seems to be overlooked by people screaming for taxing the rich and the evil corporations is that when you tax a corporation- they don't pay more- consumers do. And when companies lose money because their prices get too high (because their taxes are high), they lay people off, they move to locations overseas, and then we're out tax money and jobs. Taxing the shit out of rich people and corporations is unsustainable for the future.


Intelligent people see right through that "Joe the Plumber" bullshit. Until the republicans realize that and stop insulting everyones intelligence they will remain a minority party.

No, republicans will remain a minority party until they stop trying to come more to the left to appease everyone. They need to stop ignoring their ideals and principles just in the hopes that they can score more votes. How did that work out for them in 2006? 2008? No- they need to get back to some more of the roots they had long ago.

Smaller government, less taxes, more freedom, better defense. They were doing really well with those.

And intelligent people see through a lot of shit- from both sides.


Hey....anybody else notice how the right-wing rhetoric here has toned way down with Obama's recent appointments being announced? Robert Gates will stay on as Sec. of Defense. Bi-partisan move (and a smart one at that!). Gen James Jones appointed national security adviser? He was a McCain supporter (ardent one too). Looks as though there will be more to come as Obama makes good on his pledge to include all viewpoints in his administration. He's assembling a top-notch team in my book.


Shit! Sorry! I will try to ramp up my right wing rhetoric! :D

I don't really know what to make of his cabinet appointees so far. We'll see how they do, and how this goes. It's weird for some of my more liberal friends to understand, but just because I didn't vote for Obama, and I don't agree with much of his idea of change and policy doesn't mean I'm not rooting for the guy. I really want him to kick ass and do well.

I think his notion that his presidency needs to create 2.5 million jobs is ludicrous. It's NOT the government's responsibility to create jobs! It's the government's responsibility to get out of the way, to let companies have their own money to create jobs.

On the other hand, I applaud like a mutha his decision to want a time table for an Iraq withdrawal, but his smart move to listen to commanders before making any decisions.

He's president of my United States! Of course I want him to do well- and I hope he does do well! I want the US to continue to be one of the top dogs on planet earth, and if we have a good leader, it doesn't matter what cartoon animal is shown next to his name. I think the way Bush has been treated is shameful and childish- even if he's not your guy, and sucks at the job, let's encourage him to do well, not call him names and insult him.

Hail to the chief.

H
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
I'm currently unable to work due to an injury (cervical hernia) so i am a parasite.

The taxes i have paid to support other citizens who were also stuck in a situation like mine, therefore parasites too, are good for me too.

You would be a parasite if you weren't hurt and just collecting money.

Since you're unable to work they should help you, since the system did take your money.
 

Will E Worm

Conspiracy...
Men create babies, women harbor them. How does the creator of something have no say in it's life?

I'll agree with. if a man wants to keep the child he should be able to. Instead of adoption and so on.

But, women carry the child and men are the fertilizer. Nothing more.
 
You would be a parasite if you weren't hurt and just collecting money.

Since you're unable to work they should help you, since the system did take your money.

Yes, i think so too. But that's my reality as a canadian, Will E. 6 freaking months without working - 2 are done, 4 to go... :(

I'm not really sure what would be my situation if i was living in the USA.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
I'm currently unable to work due to an injury (cervical hernia) so i am a parasite.

The taxes i have paid to support other citizens who were also stuck in a situation like mine, therefore parasites too, are good for me too.

Of course, i'm just pointing out that social assisting isnt only for leech offs or lazy parasites. It is a usefull tool for respectable citizens like me too. So our societies should give away that social tool because of those who abuse it?

Your comment is so one-sided... I mean, do you really think France is a socialist country? Do you think we should call everything that comes from the right side fascist too? It will make the world goes round... :dunno:

Regarding USA.
There will never be a 0% unemployment in any given country. Especially not in an economical context like there is in the USA at this very moment. What will happend if respectable citizens are no longer able to find a work - like it might happend in areas where the automobile industry provides most of the jobs? They will become parasites, leeches or something alike?

Sorry if I haven't been enough clear but here is what happened in France from 1975 till 2003. People who migrated from Maghreb in order to live in France made a lot of children and had a free apartment, parental allocations and scholarship allocations that were given to them. Many people abused of these helps. A lot of people who were unemployed and who refused a job were given social helps during many years. They also abused of these helps. I am not targeting ill or sick people but lazy and unwilling to work people. I pay my own health care and I will never pay health care for someone else, having 20% of social taxes on my revenues and 19.6% of VAT on the price of things, I think I pay enough taxes. Socialism is not really encouraging people to work in all honesty because some people will think that they are always due something by someone else. Societies should stop assisting people, they should responsibilize people and make them self sufficient and good at manging their revenues. France was a socialist country because it has only socialist governments during three decades. Calling everything that comes from the right wing fascist is childish and not really contributive. There is nothing wrong with strong discipline, law abidance, conservatism, free market and some others aspects of the right wing but it is up to the individual whether he approves or disapproves the right wing.
 
No, republicans will remain a minority party until they stop trying to come more to the left to appease everyone. They need to stop ignoring their ideals and principles just in the hopes that they can score more votes. How did that work out for them in 2006? 2008? No- they need to get back to some more of the roots they had long ago.

Smaller government, less taxes, more freedom, better defense. They were doing really well with those.

No, republicans will remain a minority party when they stop sucking so much ass.

And as for the part in bold, those aren't the "roots" of the republican party. You need to change those to worse government, regressive taxes, less freedom, and pre-emptive war instead of "better defense".
 
Sorry if I haven't been enough clear but here is what happened in France from 1975 till 2003. People who migrated from Maghreb in order to live in France made a lot of children and had a free apartment, parental allocations and scholarship allocations that were given to them. Many people abused of these helps. A lot of people who were unemployed and who refused a job were given social helps during many years. They also abused of these helps. I am not targeting ill or sick people but lazy and unwilling to work people. I pay my own health care and I will never pay health care for someone else, having 20% of social taxes on my revenues and 19.6% of VAT on the price of things, I think I pay enough taxes. Socialism is not really encouraging people to work in all honesty because some people will think that they are always due something by someone else. Societies should stop assisting people, they should responsibilize people and make them self sufficient and good at manging their revenues. France was a socialist country because it has only socialist governments during three decades. Calling everything that comes from the right wing fascist is childish and not really contributive. There is nothing wrong with strong discipline, law abidance, conservatism, free market and some others aspects of the right wing but it is up to the individual whether he approves or disapproves the right wing.

I understand and agree with you on almost everything there georges. :)

Everything that have been called Integration Policies in France was a total and complete failure.

But the left is not always socialist - France is a social-democracy, not a socialist state. It makes as much sense to call what is leftish socialist as calling what is rightish fascist. Or childish as you said.

The right have good things to offer, good ideas. The left too. And i'm personally a tad tired of the mud throwing from left to right and right to left.

30 years of left wing direction is way too much and i really understand why you are pissed at the left because of that. It was a total lack of balance of power. Canada had more conservative administrations years than France in the same time gap (conservative are in chair as we speak)! I guess it helped to keep a better left-right balance. But no. As far as i know, canadian policies are even more left-sided than France's! We aren't either a socialist state - just a social-democracy like almost all industrialized countries nowadays. That's not socialism.
 
No, republicans will remain a minority party when they stop sucking so much ass.

And as for the part in bold, those aren't the "roots" of the republican party. You need to change those to worse government, regressive taxes, less freedom, and pre-emptive war instead of "better defense".

They better figure out as well how to get people other than aging white guys to vote for them if they ever want to be a majority party.The days of that group being enough of the country to be a majority party are over.It's not the republicans who changed but the country and they have been left behind.If they think their old rhetoric and policys will get them back to power I think they are very mistaken.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Shit! Sorry! I will try to ramp up my right wing rhetoric! :D

I don't really know what to make of his cabinet appointees so far. We'll see how they do, and how this goes. It's weird for some of my more liberal friends to understand, but just because I didn't vote for Obama, and I don't agree with much of his idea of change and policy doesn't mean I'm not rooting for the guy. I really want him to kick ass and do well.

I think his notion that his presidency needs to create 2.5 million jobs is ludicrous. It's NOT the government's responsibility to create jobs! It's the government's responsibility to get out of the way, to let companies have their own money to create jobs.

On the other hand, I applaud like a mutha his decision to want a time table for an Iraq withdrawal, but his smart move to listen to commanders before making any decisions.

He's president of my United States! Of course I want him to do well- and I hope he does do well! I want the US to continue to be one of the top dogs on planet earth, and if we have a good leader, it doesn't matter what cartoon animal is shown next to his name. I think the way Bush has been treated is shameful and childish- even if he's not your guy, and sucks at the job, let's encourage him to do well, not call him names and insult him.

Hail to the chief.

H

Wow. Great post although I really don't lump you into the same category as some of posters I was referring to, H. I'd rep you if they'd let me!

:thumbsup:
 
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