Of course you Will E Worm of all people would post this thread. Being that you made ''I told you Obama would fuck up thread'. Give it up you fucking Neo-con. Your guys lost the election. Just try to contrast the difference between dumb fuck monkey bush and Obama. lol what a joke we had for president for 8 years. Fuck the GOP!
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Of course you Will E Worm of all people would post this thread. Being that you made ''I told you Obama would fuck up thread'. Give it up you fucking Neo-con. Your guys lost the election. Just try to contrast the difference between dumb fuck monkey bush and Obama. lol what a joke we had for president for 8 years. Fuck the GOP!
No, we are the government and Obama is the government's leader. Keep in mind, we (as a country) voted for Obama to be our leader. So, let him lead.
They can think whatever they want to, but once you agree to be in the Armed ******, you are obligated to do what you are told to do, whether you agree with it or not. Like I said, once you sign your name on the dotted line, you agree to do whatever the United States tells you to do.
That's like saying police officers can just choose to not do their job if they don't agree with a particular law. That's not how it works.
I have a million things I could say about people who have served in Iraq (two of my brothers included) and if their opinions should matter more or be considered more valid than everybody else's, but I won't.
It's been a month. What exactly has he done (or not done) that anybody can really disagree with yet, especially to the point of talking about him as if he is a terrible President? And, I'm not defending him, as if he is a friend of mine. I just don't understand why people are so quick to **** him, when he hasn't even had a chance to do anything yet.
There was a commercial I saw on Comedy Central today that was poking fun at people like that. I don't remember what it said, verbatim, but it was something along the lines of "Obama has been in office for a whole month already, and he hasn't solved all of the world's problems yet?" Obviously, that was said in a sarcastic manner.
I don't know if you watched the Congressional Address last night, but Obama has a lot of plans that he is going to pursue. Now, at the time, they are just words, but, once again, it's only been a month.
What didn't you understand when he said ...
"I got out of the service"
Now that he's out of the service, he is damn free to fucking say and do what he wants! I would argue more than you or I. It's that simple dude.
When you're actually enlisted/commissioned. He is no longer.
But what about when it's not their job? He is free to criticize what went on when he was enlisted/commissioned after he is no longer serving. That is his right as a citizen, and most American citizens would argue that right is far more deserved than those who did not (even if we all agree we equally get to).
Until you serve, you can not even remotely understand. Not even I can understand.
A lot of people like to "speak for the veteran," but let the damn veteran speak for themselves -- including your brothers, including my *** (three tours in Nam, including Khe Shan during Tet). I don't remotely speak for my ***, and I would never, ever assume to.
Too many people like to say they speak for Vets. If you're not, you do NOT. Get it?
About the only people I'll give a "partial pass" to are those who are spouses, especially if they lose their serving partner. Although they should avoid using their loss to be political, because they too are pushing the limits of their understanding of what their spouse would want. Not judging them, but many times -- when asked -- they often say, "well, he never told me he felt this way, but I think now that he's dead ..."
I think his attitude is going to put us in the shitter as much as FDR after Hoover did.
Hoover recognized in his last year that things needed to change, but the Republicans only had a 2 seat majority and there were plenty of Republicans who felt he was "going against their principals" when he did switch. FDR just went farther, and by '36, it wasn't working either.
I'm seeing a repeat here. Obama's bullshit of "tax cuts for the rich" is getting old. It's rhetoric and popular, but utter bullshit. It's basically setting up for increased income taxes on people making $50K+/year, just like Clinton's $20K+/year, when the real "rich" people that "caused the problem" are not those people!. It's the "wealthy" and the banks who sold of debt and then jacked up the penalties and rates because they had no, direct liability.
And you have called people a racist in many threads now. That, sir, is a "**** crime." I want to see it no more. Not everyone who bitches about Obama hates him because he's black or whatever.
In fact, many of us are bitching because Obama is more of the rhetoric bullshit we didn't like about W., or the Democrat Congress that proved even worse than the Republicans (at least most Americans think so in the polls).
And yet we blamed W. for the state of the economy in February 2001, and the layoffs that increased from the year prior by March/April 2001.
People blamed W. for the deficit in 2009 before he got out of office. But people don't blame Clinton for the deficit (even pre-9/11 adjusted) of 2001, when the tech crash started in late '99, and layoffs already increased mid 2000. That's what gets to me. People saying "record surplus" without remotely looking at the rate of change in the surplus (during deficit), which is the rate of change of the rate of change of the debt (2nd order differential).
So what you're seeing are people criticizing Obama for the economy in February 2009 as they did W. in February 2001. If you think it's bad now, wait until we pass 10% unemployment.
And yet I utterly disagree with many of those words. Some are 100% rhetoric-based.
But don't worry, people like myself will be paying for the irresponsibility of others. I've been lumped in with the "fat cats" in the banking industry merely because I make $50K+/year.
As Ross Perot corrected Al Gore in the NAFTA debate mid-Clinton administration ...
Perot: "Just like you raised taxes" (making a point about who really "benefits" in NAFTA, with over 100 companies getting "special treatment," including 20+ Clinton-Gore associated)
Gore (interrupting): "On the rich"
Perot (chuckling with a pause and a sheer, "oh I cannot believe you just said that" look): "Yeah, that was the campaign promise"
Bullshit rhetoric. That's what pisses a lot of people, successful independents like myself, about Democrats. They say one thing on "the rich" and hit anyone making just above median. Anyone who has a profitable business, let alone someone who employs even just 1 person, is well above that. You're fucking every business owner.
Obama is fucking every business owner. Joe the Plumber got major fan-fare because all of us with small businesses are just dumbfounded when the other 85% of the country doesn't fucking have a clue that we're "rich" by the math. "Oh, you guys get to write off everything." Really? Do you really think we cheat to the point that we're still not above the net income that is "rich" by actual, Democrat imposed tax brackets/rates?
Again, $20K+/year during Clinton, $50K+/year proposed by Obama (both saying 5x as much during their campaign). Taxing "the rich" as in "high income earners" won't do jack for this nation, only hurt private industry. And you can't tax the "wealthy" who already have the money, unless you want to see people flee to the UK and other places and stop investing in the US overnight. You can't tax people for having existing money, despite popular belief, at least not without turning the country upside down, and that has never worked well for anyone (let alone the politicians just end up with all the wealth).
I'm well aware that he said that. But, when you are still in the service, you are obligated to do whatever the government tells you to do.
I agree with that to a point, but it's not like people who haven't gone to war don't have a good idea as to what it's like. Obviously, you and I are not sitting in a foxhole getting shot at all day, but we can at least understand what that would be like.
I'll never know what it's like to give birth to a ***** (as I am a male) but I can certainly understand it, even though I'll never live it.
I'm not speaking for anybody but myself.
My grandfather served in WWII, my ****** served in Vietnam and my two brothers have served in Iraq. I've heard a million different stories about what it's like and what they went through. Just because I haven't served myself doesn't eliminate me from understanding what it's like. I grew up in a military ****** (apparently you did as well) so I have a pretty good idea what the service can do to a person.
I have called people racist in many threads now? First of all, I have, not once, called anybody a racist in any thread. Secondly, other than the joke I said in the other thread, point out where I have called anybody a racist.
Don't accuse me of something I've never done.
I didn't see him disagree otherwise, so why did you disagree with his right to say it now?
Bullshit. Let those who have speak for themselves. I honestly tire of people who think they speak for the vet!
Bullshit. We cannot. Sorry.
Bullshit there as well. No offense, but no, we cannot. Sorry.
Dude, it's no different here. You have earned none of the right to tell a Vet who has served that he cannot speak his mind post-service.
You also are calling people racists and other things that are no different than **** crimes in reverse, absolutely no basis for the judgement and a group act that attempts to use an attitude beyond question.
Again, bullshit.
I will fully agree that growing up in a military household, let alone being married to someone in the military, is far more involved that those who have not.
But it is not, and I repeat not, the same as serving. Period.
Same deal with men on abortion and ***** birth. Not the same. You can be married and have a ***** and have a better viewpoint than men who have not, but still not the same as a woman.
How you can even "excuse" your so-called "understanding" to criticize someone who actually served is beyond me. He is stating his viewpoints after serving. I don't understand how you can even, remotely "correct" him?
Don't make the joke with a Republican context. I'm really getting tired of that.
While Democrats were hiding behind "state's rights," there were more Republicans working for "civil rights" -- very historically, in both votes and actions. No offense, but I'm honestly tired of that non-sense, because it's a hateful -- and I mean hateful -- stereotype, even in jest.
Just because more Republicans refuse to recognize "minority rights" than Democrats today doesn't mean they aren't using the same "foundation" for that basis that caused them to be pro-equal rights prior.
Dude, read your own posts.
I have. Once again, show me where I've called somebody a racist. Don't act all high and mighty to me and then turn around and make false accusations of my character or put words into my mouth.
You don't like me, I get it. But, don't make me out to be something that I'm not.
As for the conversation between you and I, it's over. I can only read the word "bullshit" so many times before I get bored with the lame repetition.
I have apologized. I will now apologize. I will default to your statements that you did not mean it that way. It's the least I can do.
I never said I don't like you.
If you don't read it, that's your choice.
But you have to be a vet to experience war as a vet, so you can actually comment as a vet in war.
Just like you have to be a woman to experience birth as a woman, so you can actually comment as a woman giving birth.
I still cannot believe what you said to him regarding his "service" as he's commenting after he's no longer in the service. He as full right to criticize the government based on his service, now that he's a civilian.
Will E Worm
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What did I ever do to you? :dunno:
I did not make that thread. Look it up again.
Also, I'm not a Republican nor a Democrat. :hatsoff:
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