Obama supports building a mosque at ground zero

[daschok]

While he is correct that we have freedom of religion in the US, this guys is just completely out of touch with reality in America... THis has to be one of the dumbest moves ever, and another nail in his and his party's coffin.

That's the reason why you have a constitution: in events like those it gives a direction how to handle a situation.

Apparently the situation is clear: the muslim community can build a mosque whereever it wants ...like every other religious group.

So the President is damn right to speak out loud and clear.

And when you talk about reality: a constitution is not a piece of paper which has to be adopted to a certain felt "reality". Thats the reason why the constitution still exists. It's made for eternity and not for day to day purpose.

It is interesting that those political groups (Republicans) who support the strongest military interventions in other countries to bring these countries democracy and tolerance, have the biggest problems to show tolerance in their own country.

It is ridiculous to equate the terrorist acts of 9/11 with the building of a mosque near GZ (NOT on GZ). Actually those incidents have nothing to do with each other. Only those people who equate muslims with terrorists have a problem with this situation. Obviously it is just too deep for them.

 

[georges]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ground_zero_mosque_obama
:wtf:
Obama is makin it more and more to not like him...

He is a closet wahabi muslim, he isn't a christian. The first names barack and hussein aren't american first names, want it or not. He is a real shame for America.

 

[georges]

That's the reason why you have a constitution: in events like those it gives a direction how to handle a situation.

Apparently the situation is clear: the muslim community can build a mosque whereever it wants ...like every other religious group.

So the President is damn right to speak out loud and clear.

And when you talk about reality: a constitution is not a piece of paper which has to be adopted to a certain felt "reality". Thats the reason why the constitution still exists. It's made for eternity and not for day to day purpose.

It is interesting that those political groups (Republicans) who support the strongest military interventions in other countries to bring these countries democracy and tolerance, have the biggest problems to show tolerance in their own country.

It is ridiculous to equate the terrorist acts of 9/11 with the building of a mosque near GZ (NOT on GZ). Actually those incidents have nothing to do with each other. Only those people who equate muslims with terrorists have a problem with this situation. Obviously it is just too deep for them.

It is extremely aggravating to see a president authorizing the construction of a mosque where a terrible event happened. The terrorists were all of muslim religion, so authorizing the construction of a mosque where 3000 people died, is insulting the memory of the dead but also saying about the real religious beliefs of Obama who isn't a real christian. If you look at who have been involved in plane hi jacking, suicide bombings and repeated act of terrorism are mainly muslim terrorists.

 

[georges]

It's not like he had a choice. If he refused, we would have to be prepared for another 9/11.

He was too weakminded to refuse it. He had to refuse it, someone with patriotism would have never accepted nor tolerated that. This laissez faire policy is showing stupidity of this administration at its best.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Q. How can you tell the difference between 3 members of a terrorist splinter cell walking into a mosque and 3 peace loving Muslims walking into a mosque?

A. You can't, unless your FBI or CIA or NSA, and believe me they'll be watching. Because they have to.

 

[changfu]

I've never been a big fan of Obama, but I would always prefer to know what he thinks, than to be told what I want to hear, and have him go and do the opposite.

I think he's realized that he's already has established himself as a one term president and no matter what he does, he's not going to satisify either the hard left or the hard right, so if he's smart, he do the correct things and look a little towards the middle.

 

[StanScratch]

Yeah, how dare him follow the Constitution. What does he think he is, President or something?

Frankly, I find many U.S. Christians to be the most hateful, violent, narrow-minded, fundamental people I personally know, I'm not going around being a cunt about how their churches in my area offend me. The little bitches complaining about the Muslims need to grow a fucking pair and deal with real life, rather than acting like little bawling three-year-old when things don't go their way.

 

[Hot Mega]

He is a closet wahabi muslim, he isn't a christian. The first names barack and hussein aren't american first names, want it or not. He is a real shame for America.

There are no such things as "American names" unless you're talking about "Sitting Bull" or something. But even as such..there are plenty of Christians with Arabic names like this. All Arabs aren't Muslim...what do you think their names are in this case?? Tom or Georges??

It is extremely aggravating to see a president authorizing the construction of a mosque where a terrible event happened. The terrorists were all of muslim religion, so authorizing the construction of a mosque where 3000 people died, is insulting the memory of the dead but also saying about the real religious beliefs of Obama who isn't a real christian. If you look at who have been involved in plane hi jacking, suicide bombings and repeated act of terrorism are mainly muslim terrorists.

He has no authority to block it....to do so on the basis of religion would be unconstitutional. It's not up to him.

He was too weakminded to refuse it. He had to refuse it, someone with patriotism would have never accepted nor tolerated that. This laissez faire policy is showing stupidity of this administration at its best.

More clueless Geo...show us in OUR constitution where he has the authority to do so?

 

[darkwarrior3007]

He is a closet wahabi muslim, he isn't a christian. The first names barack and hussein aren't american first names, want it or not. He is a real shame for America.

Name one name (other than a Native American name) that originates from the United States. There isn't one. Hell, we Americans don't even have our own language. We took it from England.

It is extremely aggravating to see a president authorizing the construction of a mosque where a terrible event happened. The terrorists were all of muslim religion, so authorizing the construction of a mosque where 3000 people died, is insulting the memory of the dead but also saying about the real religious beliefs of Obama who isn't a real christian. If you look at who have been involved in plane hi jacking, suicide bombings and repeated act of terrorism are mainly muslim terrorists.

The President didn't authorize anything, all he did was quote the 1st amendment. God forbid the leader of the country actually try to follow that document. On top of that, the site is private property. The President doesn't have a say in what happens there. All he can do is voice an opinion.

He was too weakminded to refuse it. He had to refuse it, someone with patriotism would have never accepted nor tolerated that. This laissez faire policy is showing stupidity of this administration at its best.

So now an American isn't a patriot if they follow the Constitution. For the hat trick!

 

[Facial_King]

This is a completely contrived controversy.

Aside from that, Obama's completely right (although it's so obvious it's hard to give him much credit for being correct). I wish pretty much every religious institution to just naturally fade away, but as long as they're around people should have the right to belong to them, and all of the capitalism-uber-alles libertarian wankers who are constantly prattling on about property rights should shut their fucking traps. A religious group has bought a property a few blocks from GZ (there's a sex shop closer to the hallowed ground than this place, btw) and they want to make a faith-based center and worship as they please. As long as nobody's plotting how to blow me up there, I don't object. Objecting is only counterproductive, as well.

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

True, but since 95% of all terrorists ARE muslims, your argument rings hollow. It would be different if the 95% of all muslims who claim to be peace loving were condemning the 911 attacks and crying out publicly that " terrorism is not what our religion is about", but you never hear that from them at all. The silence is absolutely deafening.

Ummm, yes they have. Just because you didn't hear it doesn't mean that it wasn't said. The Japanese have appologized many times for the attacks on Pearl Harbor, but 80% of Americans claim that these "slant-eyed bastards" haven't mumbled a word of an apology. If anything is deafening it is the amount of idiotic drivel that pours from the mouth of ignorant uninformed fools in this country.

He was too weakminded to refuse it. He had to refuse it, someone with patriotism would have never accepted nor tolerated that. This laissez faire policy is showing stupidity of this administration at its best.

It is extremely aggravating to see a president authorizing the construction of a mosque where a terrible event happened. The terrorists were all of muslim religion, so authorizing the construction of a mosque where 3000 people died, is insulting the memory of the dead but also saying about the real religious beliefs of Obama who isn't a real christian. If you look at who have been involved in plane hi jacking, suicide bombings and repeated act of terrorism are mainly muslim terrorists.

He is a closet wahabi muslim, he isn't a christian. The first names barack and hussein aren't american first names, want it or not. He is a real shame for America.

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

^^^^^

double post, sorry.

 

[Mayhem]

He is a closet wahabi muslim, he isn't a christian. The first names barack and hussein aren't american first names, want it or not. He is a real shame for America.

It is extremely aggravating to see a president authorizing the construction of a mosque where a terrible event happened. The terrorists were all of muslim religion, so authorizing the construction of a mosque where 3000 people died, is insulting the memory of the dead but also saying about the real religious beliefs of Obama who isn't a real christian. If you look at who have been involved in plane hi jacking, suicide bombings and repeated act of terrorism are mainly muslim terrorists.

Well, as my favorite TV character once said, "My days of not taking you seriously are definitely coming to a middle." This is about the dumbest thing I've seen you post, and that's saying something.

First of all, there's no such thing as an "American" name. There are only Americans with names. And he didn't authorize anything. He is not in a position to authorize anything.

As has been posted repeatedly, with not much notice, the mosque is not going up at ground-zero.

And where does a European get off trying to tell us about patriotism?

 

[Bearded_Menace]

And where does a European get off trying to tell us about patriotism?

Now that is the three platinum question of the week. Can't wait to read his rebuttal.

 

[Crazy4theBrat]

Ummm, yes they have. Just because you didn't hear it doesn't mean that it wasn't said. The Japanese have appologized many times for the attacks on Pearl Harbor, but 80% of Americans claim that these "slant-eyed bastards" haven't mumbled a word of an apology. If anything is deafening it is the amount of idiotic drivel that pours from the mouth of ignorant uninformed fools in this country.

You know what? I don't know a single person outside of this board who has heard them utter a word of apology. I'm completely serious when I say this. I'm sure I'm not the only one who will tell you this too.

With this in mind, maybe the muslims should continue standing up against the people who are "allegedly" perverting the intentions of their "religion" for as long as terrorism continues to happen.

In comparison, I have heard quite a few priests, and even the Pope himself apologize for the shameless perversion shown by child molesting priests in the Catholic church.

Again, not a single word from the muslims.

Speaking up against this kind of thing just sounds like good common sense if you ask me.

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

You know what? I don't know a single person outside of this board who has heard them utter a word of apology. I'm completely serious when I say this. I'm sure I'm not the only one who will tell you this too.

In comparison, I have heard quite a few priests, and even the Pope himself apologize for the shameless perversion shown by child molesting priests in the Catholic church.

Again, not a single word from the muslims.

Well, I guess we have identified the problem. Get yourself a more diverse group of friends. Secondly, Muslims don't have one guy to speak for the entire religion like Catholics do. I have watched countless news segments in the wake of 911 and the war in Iraq that have featured many Muslim Americans speaking out about how these extremist are in no way the voice that represent Islam. In fact, they hate the extremist even more than your average Joe six pack American does. Given all the bullshit that has been directed at Muslims it aint hard to see why.

I will say that there haven't been enough Muslims coming forward, but for you to say that there hasn't been any is pretty sloppy, careless, misleading, and very ill-informed.

 

[mrtrebus]

You know what? I don't know a single person outside of this board who has heard them utter a word of apology. I'm completely serious when I say this. I'm sure I'm not the only one who will tell you this too.

With this in mind, maybe the muslims should continue standing up against the people who are "allegedly" perverting the intentions of their "religion" for as long as terrorism continues to happen.

In comparison, I have heard quite a few priests, and even the Pope himself apologize for the shameless perversion shown by child molesting priests in the Catholic church.

Again, not a single word from the muslims.

Speaking up against this kind of thing just sounds like good common sense if you ask me.

Oh boo hoo! The pope & his fucking cronies! Their apologies are meaningless because it's not like they just found out about the abuse, they have known about it for decades but swept it under the carpet. In other words they have contributed to child abuse in the church! Just because now people are speaking out about the abuse they suffered & the church is finally having to admit it is no cause for gratitude to the hypocritical priests who condoned the abuse by not doing anything about it!
So using this as an example for your argument is a total FAIL!

 

[DJCowboy]

I remember before 9/11 all terrorists were Russian

This is really ridiculous, the people opposing this forgot that they have every right to build a mosque on their own property. I can completely guarantee you that if it was a church being built there. This thread and all the other ones like it, would not exist (I understand that it was in the name of Islam that the towers were attacked, but realistically, it was just a bunch of pissed off terrorists who have sand in their assholes and can't jerk off. I'd be pretty pissed too)

 

[Crazy4theBrat]

Oh boo hoo! The pope & his fucking cronies! Their apologies are meaningless because it's not like they just found out about the abuse, they have known about it for decades but swept it under the carpet. In other words they have contributed to child abuse in the church! Just because now people are speaking out about the abuse they suffered & the church is finally having to admit it is no cause for gratitude to the hypocritical priests who condoned the abuse by not doing anything about it!
So using this as an example for your argument is a total FAIL!

I tend to agree with you for the most part about how the Catholic church has failed on this issue, but the apologies are still better late than never, as in the case with the muslamics.

 

[meesterperfect]

why can't we all admit at least that its ironic.
if its even true or not exaggerated.
the fact that a bunch of muslim guys (we all know what they did) in the name their god, their book and their religion.
now in the same exact place there will be a building representing and used for worshipping that god, that book and that religion.