Obama supports building a mosque at ground zero

[pat_morita]

I just find the whole thing in bad taste. It would be as if you showed up to the 9/11 victims funerals with paper airplanes and flying them around while making crashing and whooshing sound effects. It's just bad taste.

It's a religion not a bunch of people playing with fake airplanes. Religion is marginally less stupid adult behavior (debatable) than the fake airplanes, but that's a whole other issue.
It's hard to deny that 9/11 makes you think about Islam, because it does, but if you make that a prevailing idea, if that's how you decide to approach other people in general, you're not exactly furthering any sort of non-extremist pov. Some people want to do some thing, not out of spite or because they're assholes it seems, so why not let them do that thing?
Unless you want to go all interwebs conspiracy nuts of course, then it makes perfect sense. You see, it's a Body Snatchers thing.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

I just find the whole thing in bad taste. It would be as if you showed up to the 9/11 victims funerals with paper airplanes and flying them around while making crashing and whooshing sound effects. It's just bad taste.

It's absolutely poor taste. And there are leaders of Islamic groups that agree. Bill O'Reilly has interviewed a few. Even The ADL agrees. But when we want gumment to regulate taste, we are doomed.

I don't quite agree with your analogy. Islam didn't destroy the WTC and crash into the Pentagon. Radical Muslim Mujahadeen did. Your argument suggests that white Baptists couldn't honor MLK Jr. It was white Baptists who blew up Black churches. It was a White Baptist who killed Dr. King. So White Baptists forfeit their right to honor Dr. King? I'm not insinuating that those who want to erect this mosque want to honor the victims of 9-11, but when we decide motive for legal activity, we are taking a HUGE step backwards.

The bad taste isn't that Muslims are affiliated with 9-11. It's the perception. And if Muslim groups truly want to bridge the gap, they wouldn't act act as provocateurs. But their ill endeavors are still legal and we should all vehemently support that.

There are Fundamentalists Catholics, Jews, Lutherans, Mormons and others that advocate racist and sexist shit that we all choose to ignore. Catholics want to abolish borders. Some Evangelicals want to imprison sodomists. It's a very, very grey territory.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Here's the thing though, terrorists have been going about their business long before 9/11. They're not all Muslim.

I realize that but what about the people that can't make that distinction? They're the ones who aren't going to care, they'll just act. See what I'm sayin?

 

[Trident1]

I don't quite agree with your analogy. Islam didn't destroy the WTC and crash into the Pentagon. Radical Muslim Mujahadeen did.

Yes members of the Takfiri sect which were once a part of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

They are muslim and murder in the name of their god.

 

[Shindekudasai]

No it's the same mentality. Btw I said it and stand by it.


The "something German" would be a monument to the SS which would be grossly offensive just like a muslim center two blocks from GZ.



I haven't forgotten what was done in the name of islam on 9/11.

You realize though that this "comparison" of yours 1) doesn't stand and 2) is grossly offensive towards todays Germans and Jews. A monument to the SS is not the same as a mosque. And the (German) memorial places at Auschwitz are not the same as a monument to the SS. In fact they are as welcome as the Jewish or Polish memorials, because they commemorate the dead and those who were wronged from the standpoint of the perpetrators, which signals compassion and remorse. They don't commemorate the victors and they sure as hell don't commemorate nationalsocialism or any of its organisations.

Well, if you haven't forgotten, what happened in the name of islam on 9/11, than you probably won't mind if some muslims don't forget what happened in the name of christianity or in the name of Israel or the US in the past, would you? See where I'm going with this? Not a healthy way to think.

Let those people build their community center. If they preach hate behind closed doors, the FBI can still take em out just like the German federal police did with the Taiba/Al-Quds mosque in Hamburg.

 

[pat_morita]

They are muslim and murder in the name of their god.

Yes, like so many other fucked up people do, just like they in general behave a little nuts. Fucked up people I mean. Catholic folks do some crazy shit, Christian nutbags, there's lots of those around, those other crazy people, religious or not, whatever.
Your "point" doesn't really refute anything, or do much at all.
I can help you. Bring up how there's a whole lot of terrorism associated with islam in general and what that might mean.

Should get you started and maybe it'll show some colors too.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Yes members of the Takfiri sect which were once a part of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

They are muslim and murder in the name of their god.

And the current Pope has actively sought to remove pedophile clergy from prosecution. Under Catholicism, we are all Christians if we accept Christ's sacrifice. So what's the difference? I FULLY support the US government reigning in on corrupt and criminal religious officials. Be they rabbis, clerics, Imams, priests, preachers and cardinals. But nowhere else, outside of generalized Islam, is there any such religious scrutiny.

Again, I fucking LOATHE Islam. It is a cancer on humanity. But our highest courts just sided WITH the God Hates Fags folk who LAUGH at the funerals of war vets. They received a fraction of the attention and protest as this mosque/Islamic center is getting.

I encourage the Federal government to prosecute all aids and conspirators of Islamic terror, but this is a separate issue.

 

[pat_morita]

And the current Pope has actively sought to remove pedophile clergy from prosecution. Under Catholicism, we are all Christians if we accept Christ's sacrifice. So what's the difference? I FULLY support the US government reigning in on corrupt and criminal religious officials. Be they rabbis, clerics, Imams, priests, preachers and cardinals. But nowhere else, outside of generalized Islam, is there any such religious scrutiny.

Again, I fucking LOATHE Islam. It is a cancer on humanity. But our highest courts just sided WITH the God Hates Fags folk who LAUGH at the funerals of war vets. They received a fraction of the attention and protest as this mosque/Islamic center is getting.

I encourage the Federal government to prosecute all aids and conspirators of Islamic terror, but this is a separate issue.

You loathe a "little" too much for my taste, but man if we aren't on the same page.

This is just silly and shouldn't even be an issue.

 

[Hot Mega]

A couple of things. Technically he's right, practically I have to wonder why he continues to bite on local issues like this. A simple statement saying any American has the right to build anything anywhere local ordinances don't prohibit. "Next question?" Would have sufficed.

I don't understand why he bites on these dufus questions and elevate local issues to national headlines. I realize the story has gone national but is it a national headline the POTUS believes Americans can build what they want where local ordinances permit??

Next...why the fuck isn't something built or ground broken to build something there by now??? I saw a CBS piece on this and frankly I wanted to take a power drill to my own head after trying to follow the endless loop of politicking, bilking and red tape which has mired the efforts to build something...any-fucking-thing there after nearly a decade.

That is the biggest disgrace and insult to the victims of that crime.:anonymous

 

[E-Ann-Hilden]

I'm not crazy about a mosque or any house of worship being built on Ground Zero, but the site is private property and I support the 1st amendment. The President is 100% right.

I have been watching the Hannity forums on this and whether children born in the U.S. from illegals are "just dropped" into the nation. With all this constitutional banging they have done with the Tea Party, this is so hypocritical! I dont like the idea of a mosque being build either but it is well in the laws or illegals taxing our system with hospital costs with children born here. but lets work within the framework in which this nation was founded.

Stick to the raging Deficit, which you discovered in 2009! We needed to work on it years ago.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

You loathe a "little" too much for my taste, but man if we aren't on the same page.

This is just silly and shouldn't even be an issue.

What's wrong with my loathing? In my days here, I made it clear that I loathe all Abrahamic bullshit. What shouldn't I loathe? Outside of the sexist, warmongering, divisive and superstitious dog shit? Should I not loathe the violent conquerer who used the Judeo-Christian mythology to maintain order among illiterate soldiers? Should I not loathe murder and pedophilia?

 

[E-Ann-Hilden]

Yes, like so many other fucked up people do, just like they in general behave a little nuts. Fucked up people I mean. Catholic folks do some crazy shit, Christian nutbags, there's lots of those around, those other crazy people, religious or not, whatever.
Your "point" doesn't really refute anything, or do much at all.
I can help you. Bring up how there's a whole lot of terrorism associated with islam in general and what that might mean.

Should get you started and maybe it'll show some colors too.

I agree the Catholic church is still working outside laws of child abuse in this nation and many others.

 

[pat_morita]

What's wrong with my loathing? In my days here, I made it clear that I loathe all Abrahamic bullshit. What shouldn't I loathe? Outside of the sexist, warmongering, divisive and superstitious dog shit? Should I not loathe the violent conquerer who used the Judeo-Christian mythology to maintain order among illiterate soldiers? Should I not loathe murder and pedophilia?

Well, you know, some religious people are kind of nice. Despite the whole being into crazy stupid shit.

Being nice goes a long way in my book.

 

[darkwarrior3007]

I realize that but what about the people that can't make that distinction? They're the ones who aren't going to care, they'll just act. See what I'm sayin?

After seeing a lot of the anti-Muslim posts here on this board, I do see what you're saying about people not being able to make a distinction.

 

[Trident1]

Your "point" doesn't really refute anything, or do much at all.
I can help you. Bring up how there's a whole lot of terrorism associated with islam in general and what that might mean.

Should get you started and maybe it'll show some colors too.

In your opinion not mine.




Oh wait are you suggesting islam is defending itself?


"Show me colors"? "Get me started"?

Show me things I already know? Show me something I've known for a very long time. Puhlease.


I'm much more in tune than you think.

 

[pat_morita]

I agree the Catholic church is still working outside laws of child abuse in this nation and many others.

Yeah, they're a crazy bunch those Catholics. They're part of a group.

Sadly it seems to be humanity.

And none of this matters when it comes to whether or not some people who believe in some stuff should or should not have the right to do some stuff.
Just trying to remember what it's we are actually talking about.

 

[pat_morita]

In your opinion not mine.




Oh wait are you suggesting islam is defending itself?


"Show me colors"? "Get me started"?

Show me things I already know? Show me something I've known for a very long time. Puhlease.


I'm much more in tune than you think.

That's nice.

You just stay in tune all you can. Work on your reading while you're at it. It might be a great ride for you.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

Well, you know, some religious people are kind of nice. Despite the whole being into crazy stupid shit.

Being nice goes a long way in my book.

Sure it does. Being nice is awesome! My Catholic mom belongs to a group that raises money for child burn victims. 2 of 4 of the group's membership are Muslims. Pakistani Muslim women. It's great, it's beautiful, but the truth is that they are compelled by their own morality and guilt. Not doctrine and dogma.

Doing good has nothing to do with faith. Atheists and agnostics don't need to "justify" charity. But the religious do need to "justify" war.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

It's absolutely poor taste. And there are leaders of Islamic groups that agree. Bill O'Reilly has interviewed a few. Even The ADL agrees. But when we want gumment to regulate taste, we are doomed.

I don't quite agree with your analogy. Islam didn't destroy the WTC and crash into the Pentagon. Radical Muslim Mujahadeen did. Your argument suggests that white Baptists couldn't honor MLK Jr. It was white Baptists who blew up Black churches. It was a White Baptist who killed Dr. King. So White Baptists forfeit their right to honor Dr. King? I'm not insinuating that those who want to erect this mosque want to honor the victims of 9-11, but when we decide motive for legal activity, we are taking a HUGE step backwards.

The bad taste isn't that Muslims are affiliated with 9-11. It's the perception. And if Muslim groups truly want to bridge the gap, they wouldn't act act as provocateurs. But their ill endeavors are still legal and we should all vehemently support that.

There are Fundamentalists Catholics, Jews, Lutherans, Mormons and others that advocate racist and sexist shit that we all choose to ignore. Catholics want to abolish borders. Some Evangelicals want to imprison sodomists. It's a very, very grey territory.

My analogy was based moreso on 9/11 WTC destruction and paper airplanes (the destructive instrument in 9/11) and not so much Islam. However, it was Islamic fundamentalist that did indeed hijack the planes, and now Islamic folks want to build a mosque. There is a connection in the end to all involved.

I believe anyone with commonsense and common decency would (and should) find building a mosque to be bad taste near, around, or on the WTC grounds.

I see what you are saying and agree. In the end, I have no ill will towards Muslims, however, this action of folks wanting to build a Mosque at ground zero I do hold ill will towards, only due to it is coming off as a spit in the face to those who were around, remember, and died that day. Islam took the towers down and now Islam is building on the very site it destroyed what previously stood an Islamic building.

That last sentence is how I feel the motives seem to be and of course do not reflect all Muslims. Just those behind the initial idea of building a Mosque near the site. My opinion.

 

[pat_morita]

Sure it does. Being nice is awesome! My Catholic mom belongs to a group that raises money for child burn victims. 2 of 4 of the group's membership are Muslims. Pakistani Muslim women. It's great, it's beautiful, but the truth is that they are compelled by their own morality and guilt. Not doctrine and dogma.

Doing good has nothing to do with faith. Atheists and agnostics don't need to "justify" charity. But the religious do need to "justify" war.

No disagreement per se.