Obama supporters, serious question...

I'm not a supporter! Just wondering why a sane human, would spend millions
to inherit all these horrible problems!
Do any supporters ever wonder what he wants to really "remake"
America into?
He says,
We don't want to run the banks! They are!
We don't want to run the auto Industry! They are!
We don't want to control salaries!
You see what I'm saying?
Just asking!

One small fact you're ignoring, the government didn't ask to..these institutions and companies came groveling to the government and the government decided to help them. The government loaned them money.

Now if the government is going to loan them money, doesn't it make sense that they stipulate certain conditions and requirements while they are in possession of taxpayer money??

The concept is nothing new. Banks as a condition of certain real estate loans get to determine what that real estate may be used for (i.e. certain loans require that you reside at the property, etc.).
 
Serious Answer: Yes, I am happy with him. He has returned *global credibility and respectability* to America in these first couple of months. We no longer have a president that people of the world would like to throw shoes at.

I want to echo a bit of what Jags said--we have a clear-thinker and a calm, smart person in the White House first time since Bill Clinton.

I believe the bailouts have been a mixed bag thus far. I do not support the shuttering of America's car biz and it took Obama and the Gov't to select THIS GUY to run GM's turnaround, not some moronic bizness douche like they've had for years....it took the Govt to get GM to unload it's deadweight--Saturn, Hummer, Pontiac, etc.

Gov't--when in charge of regulation--can help/prod businesses to do what they should do or can't do on their own. We're seeing that.

I don't think Bank bailouts will matter unless we return all of the regulation that was rolled back in 1998 and under Dubya.

My only complaint for Obama and the Dems is that we are not completely out of Iraq by now. We should be.

Healthcare and *Green* Tech will become the next agenda items....we'll see what happens.
 
...comprehensive healthcare solution...


Those three words scare me to death!
He's already proposing that people who pay for health care through their work be taxed on their premiums!
 
I don't get it. He's only been in office for 6 months and since we are a very impatient country everyone expected him to already have all of his policies in place? He still has 3.5 years left people!! It was really annoying when only after 100 days people already started judging his presidency and some stations were using just that amount of time to see how he would be looked back on in the future!! I know they do that with every president but this was ridiculous. I think some people just need to slow down and not worry so much. I usually wait until at least a year and a half or even two years to make an accurate judgement on a president.
 
The point of the link was to show that he ran on "change" and he's continuing to do 99% of the same things as his predecessor.

Unfortunately, "change" is the only thing thats going to be left of a hardworking individual's paycheck once his stimulus package and it's astronomical cost goes into effect.
 

georges

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His approach to foreign policy has been a complete 180 from the Bush "my way or the highway" message. I think he has already done quite a bit to repair America's image overseas (any comments from non-Americans?).

Certainly, his domestic agenda will be much different than Bush's. However, he cannot simply rule by decree. Legislation needs to go through congress and we all know how long that can take. Also, I think his preferred list of priorities on which he campaigned all last summer was put on the back burner when the economy fell apart last September. Most of his domestic agenda has been forced to focus on that so far.

It's way too soon to make any conclusions about the accomplishments or agenda of the Obama administration. I don't agree with everything he has said or done so far but I do like the fresh and inclusive approach he has taken. It's also a pleasant change to have a leader who can remain cool under fire and doesn't seem to lose his temper like Bush did so frequently. He can also properly pronounce the word "nuclear". :D

It is disheartening to know that there are those who wish him ill-will and hope he fails simply because his political philosophies don't coincide with theirs. To do so wishes ill-will upon our great nation and, from my viewpoint, that constitutes a treasonous act. Every American should hope Obama is extremely successful, just as we all had (or should have) hoped that Bush would succeed.


Really? I guess this is just a smokescreen then....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...gnals-end-of-waterboarding-and-rendition.html

Well well, I will have to chime in. By 180 degree backward forward foreign policy, I suppose that you clearly know that Obama tries diplomacy at all costs, kinda like Clinton did in its time by kissing the UN and the arab nations asses. Unfortunately there are things that never change and that will never change, the fact that Al Aqsa Martyr Brigades, Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollah and Ahmadinejhad are in the Middle East will only make things worse. Israel has given some of its territories because of peace talks during the Clinton administration, but has it improved things? Absolutely not. I think Israel has the whole right to defend itself againt any threat and it is not up to Obama or Clinton to tell to Israel what it should or not when Israel faces terrorism everyday. Spending less in the military is it a wise choice? Not necessarily. A poorly equipped army is prone to be tackled in difficult situations. Some people here are perhaps happy than no more f22s were ordered and that only a few f22 are flying. What makes a country strong is its military, not its healthcare system or social insurance system where honest hardworking citizens pay for lazy, unwilling to work and unwilling to integrate people.
You do not repair the image of a country by trying to kiss every other country's ass. The so called cool attitude is perhaps misleading, certainly Obama is under stress. That cool attitude (laxist attitude) doesn't give me a single bit of confidence. I always preferred Reagan who was very determined on his objective but who knew how to motivate his troops and prove them he was right. He was a decicated person to his task and a non negotiable person when it was necessary. Personally, I prefer someone unilateralist like Reagan who was a patriot and who knew what he stood for than someone like Obama.
There are perhaps several reasons why a lot of people wish him to fail, I have read and heard about them a lot. I have also discussed with Americans living in my town who were disliking Obama. You want me to list you a few reasons, so here you go:
-he closed Guantanamo and freed some detainees that were hi risk and dangerous ones (some people here talk about presumption of innocence). You don't let supporters of terrorism free.
-trying to implement a healthcare and social security system that has ruined some of the leading european countries financially is not going to work in the USA
-he want to give loans to students in order to finance their studies forgetting than not everyone is desserving them, only the hardworking ones deserve them, the others don't
-the fact that some of the industries that were flagships and the roots of the American economy are treated without any respect (Chrysler and GM)
-the fact that Obama was a Senator and that he hasn't done much to improve situation of Illinois is enough to justify that he was bad choice as a president.
What is treasonous is to have people like the clinton bitch, pelosi and rahm and make a shitload of promises that Obama will never ever fullfill. I am perhaps what you will consider as somewhat coldhearted but realistic and I don't live of dreams but I always stick to the reality.

have a great day

regards

georges
 
I think it takes time to clear up the substantial mess left by Bush and his neocon cronies.

Stick with Obama : I think he will prove to be a superb leader.
 
Hey, this is the USofA - Congress could be the stumbling block:fight:. Compromise/Diplomacy/Negotiation/ - hey, it's all for the good of the Country. It should be...:yesyes:
 
Although I am not a huge fan of his policies, during the election I did think he might bring a few good things to the table. He continually talked about "inclusion" of ideas, moderation, and most of all bringing a higher ethical standard to this administration.

So, with all of the rhetoric about "change," are you happy with what's going on? Is this the "change" that people voted for? To be honest, I see a continuation of Bush policies for the most part, and things like this (see link below) that make me wonder whether his agenda matches the rhetoric.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090612/D98OTD380.html

Thoughts?

To be honest, I think in general people just need to give him some time. I'm not trying to toot his horn or put him down, I'm pretty much in the middle in my view of Obama. Bush was given a full term before he was scrutinized harshly, I figure Obama deserves the same.
 

georges

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I think it takes time to clear up the substantial mess left by Bush and his neocon cronies.

Stick with Obama : I think he will prove to be a superb leader.

let see what kind of shit will result from trying to implement a free health care and social security system at the cost of honest hardworking citizens.
You think he will be a superb leader like many of the european left wingers who dislike republicans and values like discipline, patriotism and rule abidance.
Between a left winger and a right winger, my choice is very easy, the right winger over the left winger any day. It is not without reason than the right wing have won european elections the last week, but the situation gets worse and worse. One day or another, there will be no more tolerance for laxist and left wing governments in Europe and I can understand that. Too much is too much. Europe of 27 and the euro will collapse, the wide opened frontiers was one of the dumbest things that I have ever seen, strict and staunch control at the european frontiers was better.
 
The American Medical Association has not formally announced their position about Universal Health Care. But behind the scene, they are opposed to Obama's plan for Universal Health Care plan.

Obama legacy will also hind on GM/Chrysler bailout which may amount to more than 90 billion dollars. But I really have doubts that Chrysler will turn around and GM will just be another car manufacturing company and eventually fades away in sunset.

President Obama is trying very hard to work on domestic issues but ultimately it is the American people who is willing to work harder for less money and make greater sacifice for this economic recovery.
 
Wonder why georges will post here since he's not an Obama supporter, but he's the type of guy who can't resist slamming Obama every Chance he gets. Reading his posts is like listening to a broken record. Sheesh.
 
To be honest, I think in general people just need to give him some time. I'm not trying to toot his horn or put him down, I'm pretty much in the middle in my view of Obama. Bush was given a full term before he was scrutinized harshly, I figure Obama deserves the same.

Eh? Harshness has many levels I suppose... but if we treated them the same the Obama fans wouldnt be very happy. Check the news archives and editorials... or worse the blogs and forums. Where he got some slack was from 9/11 but the term wasnt half over before he got blamed for it... and Hitler comparisons? Get back to me when Obama goes through that. Worst(?) he has are public associations with Acorn and Ayers + bailouts.

Im one of those that agrees with an earlier post: you dont get respect kissing ass. Not everyone in the world thinks he is earning more! Its one thing as a govt to not like Bush but "respect" was probably not the issue - you knew where he stood and what you liked or didnt like. The biggests complainers (at a govt level) are usually the ones not getting their way. Its true for Obama too btw. When those in the ME dont hear what they want they complain and burn stuff. Rinse. Repeat. Until they get their way.

Where I give Obama some slack is this near worship that some have for the man. The bar is set too high in some cases and completely leaves out Pelosi and the gang. They are all to happy to have Obama take any heat for their screwups.

Anyway, I wonder how folks get the notion that Obama is the smooth speaker...? Ever listen when TOTUS wasnt around? Uh uh uh uh...
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I am perhaps what you will consider as somewhat coldhearted but realistic and I don't live of dreams but I always stick to the reality.

have a great day

regards

georges

Between a left winger and a right winger, my choice is very easy, the right winger over the left winger any day.

Wonder why georges will post here since he's not an Obama supporter, but he's the type of guy who can't resist slamming Obama every chance he gets. Reading his posts is like listening to a broken record. Sheesh.

Georges, we all know where you stand and it has nothing to do with reality (at least not if you consider objectivity to be a necessary element to determine what reality is). I do, however, very much respect your right to express your bias and you never fail to deliver.

....and you have a great day yourself....:thumbsup:
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I have also discussed with Americans living in my town who were disliking Obama. You want me to list you a few reasons, so here you go:
-he closed Guantanamo and freed some detainees that were hi risk and dangerous ones (some people here talk about presumption of innocence). You don't let supporters of terrorism free.

Once again, don't allow the facts to get in the way of your argument, Georges.

17 detainees were released last year when George W. Bush was the president....not Obama. Wouldn't have mattered anyway....a judge ordered the release:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/washington/08detain.html

And, I know it's going to come as a shock to you, but Gitmo is still open. The directive to close it was issued in January but the facility remains open as of this writing. I think it will close soon though and, according to the directive, it must be closed by next January.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/us/politics/22gitmo.html

By the way, I hear Obama wants to send the remaining detainees to France. ;):1orglaugh
 
Just in the last two days:

- Continued Bush era policy of not letting anyone see White House visitors log
- Made it easier today for the Federal Government to take over private business

Just saying, I don't see the "change" in policy except maybe in expansion of Federal power in the business arena. :dunno:
 
Yes, I am a supporter and still willing to give him a chance, but I am not usually happy with anyone once they get into office. They seldom come through on campaign promises and Washington is hell to work with. This is also one of the worst times to be in office!
 
Just in the last two days:

- Continued Bush era policy of not letting anyone see White House visitors log
- Made it easier today for the Federal Government to take over private business

Just saying, I don't see the "change" in policy except maybe in expansion of Federal power in the business arena.

One problem on the White House visitor logs..The case has been adjudicated and there is precedence. It's pending case law and until the appellate process plays out it's customary to act on precedence.

Think of it in the reverse. For example, Let's assume the Clinton adminstration sought conceal these same logs but the lost the case in court. The Bush adminstration couldn't come in and say they are going to unilaterally decide to conceal the logs now because the court has decided. The best they could do is request a stay pending the appeals process. Which they likely would request since their party to the case stands to be "irreparably" harmed if the logs are revealed then the case is reversed on appeal.

Since it's the reverse Obama's administration doesn't have to do anything (in fact when there is a pending appeal it's preferred) but allow the process to play out then proceed from there. No POTUS would or should intervene in pending case law. Certainly no POTUS who is a lawyer to boot.
 
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