Obama, Iranian Official Slam GOP Letter On Deal

[sean miguel]

Did she told him that, Whatever Bush and him agreed on, the next Democratic POTUs will cosider it null and void ?
'cause the problem here is not the letter itself, it's the content of the letter, the fact that Republicans are trying to iundermine the negociations by telling to Iranian official : Whatever you and Obamz wil agree on, it will be repealed as soon as we get in office.

That's not exactly what the letter says. It says that unless ratified by congress, any agreement could be revoked by a future president and that future congresses could modify the terms.

 

[Mayhem]

If a journalist calls a US Senator "Tehran Tom," where's his integrity and journalistic ethics? I can assassinate character all day long and will continue to do so because I don't have to pretend to be unbiased. "Journalists" barely pay lip service to that any more. If there was any integrity in journalism today no politician would be electable.



Mayhem is a cock chugger. Now if I'd written that for any publication and included your real name I would probably be out of a job. Why isn't the dickhead who wrote that about Cotton out on his ass?

Where in the article is he called "Tehran Tom"? By anyone? Where is character mentioned at all? Now you're making up shit that isn't there, you hallucinating little freak. And "Tehran Tom"? This sounds like one of your nonsensical, playground nicknames.

Jesus Tapdancing Christ, Johnny. Please take a vacation. And if you make it a permanent one, no one will mind.

 

[xfire]

Fuck these treasonous GOP bastards. John Kerry did not hold an elected office when he did whatever it was he did during the Vietnam War. Republicans and their mouthpieces in the lying corporate media, like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Mark Levin, etc., have made it ok for right wingers to do and get away with just about anything all the while making shit up about Democrats and Liberals. The DOJ needs to bring charges up against the senators that signed that letter and prosecute the whole damn bunch of them.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

After Chappaquiddick Ted died in 2009 Forbes Magazine revisited his treasonous bullshit memorandums to the Soviet Union during the Reagan Era. That asshole offered to visit Moscow to assist them with their propaganda in order to deal with Reagan. Then he offered to get then Party Chair, Yuri Andropov, sit down interviews with the big three networks in order to appeal directly to the American people. Then he underscored that the effort should be made to make the effort appear to come from the American side.

NBC, CBS, and ABC were awfully quick to shill the Democratic opposition to the GOPs letter to the Iranian leadership but the same standard was not applied when a prominent treasonous asshole Senator from American royalty openly tried to work with the Soviets to hamstring President Reagan’s dealings with the communist regime.

 

[sean miguel]

Fuck these treasonous GOP bastards. John Kerry did not hold an elected office when he did whatever it was he did during the Vietnam War. Republicans and their mouthpieces in the lying corporate media, like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Mark Levin, etc., have made it ok for right wingers to do and get away with just about anything all the while making shit up about Democrats and Liberals. The DOJ needs to bring charges up against the senators that signed that letter and prosecute the whole damn bunch of them.

You used "treasonous." Yeah, all 47 senators should be brought up on treason charges, especially Tom Cotton, who's a traitor.

Do it Obama.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Senators John Sparkman (D-AL) and George McGovern (D-SD). The two Senators visited Cuba and met with government actors there in 1975. They said that they did not act on behalf of the United States, so the State Department ignored their activity.

Senator Teddy Kennedy (D-MA). In 1983, Teddy Kennedy sent emissaries to the Soviets to undermine Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy. According to a memo finally released in 1991 from head of the KGB Victor Chebrikov to then-Soviet leader Yuri Andropov:

On 9-10 May of this year, Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow. The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.

What was the message? That Teddy would help stifle Reagan’s anti-Soviet foreign policy if the Soviets would help Teddy run against Reagan in 1984. Kennedy offered to visit Moscow to “arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Then he said that he would set up interviews with Andropov in the United States. “Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews…Like other rational people, [Kennedy] is very troubled by the current state of Soviet-American relations,” the letter explained. The memo concluded:

Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988. Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans and elect their candidate president.

House Speaker Jim Wright (D-TX). In 1984, 10 Democrats sent a letter to Daniel Ortega Saavedra, the head of the military dictatorship in Nicaragua, praising Saavedra for “taking steps to open up the political process in your country.” House Speaker Jim Wright signed the letter.

In 1987, Wright worked out a deal to bring Ortega to the United States to visit with lawmakers. As The New York Times reported:

There were times when the White House seemed left out of the peace process, uninformed, irritated. ”We don’t have any idea what’s going on,” an Administration official said Thursday. And there was a bizarre atmosphere to the motion and commotion: the leftist Mr. Ortega, one of President Reagan’s arch enemies, heads a Government that the Administration has been trying to overthrow by helping to finance a war that has killed thousands of Nicaraguans on both sides. Yet he was freely moving around Washington, visiting Mr. Wright in his Capitol Hill office, arguing his case in Congress and at heavily covered televised news conferences. He criticized President Reagan; he recalled that the United States, whose troops intervened in Nicaragua several times between 1909 and 1933, had supported the Somoza family dictatorship which lasted for 43 years until the Sandinistas overthrew it in 1979.

Ortega then sat next to Wright as he presented a “detailed cease-fire proposal.” The New York Times said, “Mr. Ortega seemed delighted to turn to Mr. Wright.”

Senator John Kerry (D-MA). Kerry jumped into the pro-Sandanista pool himself in 1985, when he traveled to Nicaragua to negotiate with the regime. He wasn’t alone; Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) joined him. The Christian Science Monitor reported that the two senators “brought back word that Mr. Ortega would be willing to accept a cease-fire if Congress rejected aid to the rebels…That week the House initially voted down aid to the contras, and Mr. Ortega made an immediate trip to Moscow.” Kerry then shilled on behalf of the Ortega government:

We are still trying to overthrow the politics of another country in contravention of international law, against the Organization of American States charter. We negotiated with North Vietnam. Why can we not negotiate with a country smaller than North Carolina and with half the population of Massachusetts? It’s beyond me. And the reason is that they just want to get rid of them [the Sandinistas], they want to throw them out, they don’t want to talk to them.

Representatives Jim McDermott (D-WA), David Bonior (D-MI), and Mike Thompson (D-CA). In 2002, the three Congressmen visited Baghdad to play defense for Saddam Hussein’s regime. There, McDermott laid the groundwork for the Democratic Party’s later rip on President George W. Bush, stating, “the president of the United States will lie to the American people in order to get us into this war.” McDermott, along with his colleagues, suggested that the American administration give the Iraqi regime “due process” and “take the Iraqis on their face value.” Bonior said openly he was acting on behalf of the government:

The purpose of our trip was to make it very clear, as I said in my opening statement, to the officials in Iraq how serious we–the United States is about going to war and that they will have war unless these inspections are allowed to go unconditionally and unfettered and open. And that was our point. And that was in the best interest of not only Iraq, but the American citizens and our troops. And that’s what we were emphasizing. That was our primary concern–that and looking at the humanitarian situation.

Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV). In 2002, Rockefeller told Fox News’ Chris Wallace, “I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11.” That would have given Saddam Hussein fourteen months in which to prepare for war.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). In April 2007, as the Bush administration pursued pressure against Syrian dictator Bashar Assad, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi went to visit him. There, according to The New York Times, the two “discussed a variety of Middle Eastern issues, including the situations in Iraq and Lebanon and the prospect of peace talks between Syria and Israel.” Pelosi was accompanied by Reps. Henry Waxman (D-CA), Tom Lantos (D-CA), Louise M. Slaughter (D-NY), Nick J. Rahall II (D-WV), and Keith Ellison (D-MN). Zaid Haider, Damascus bureau chief for Al Safir, reportedly said, ‘There is a feeling now that change is going on in American policy – even if it’s being led by the opposition.”

The Constitution of the United States delegates commander-in-chief power to the president of the United States. Section 2 clearly states, “He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur…” As Professor Jack Goldsmith of Harvard Law School writes, Senators have a good argument that “the President lacks the authority under the U.S. Constitution to negotiate a pure Executive agreement in this context. Almost all major arms control agreements have been made as treaties that needed Senate consent, and the one major exception, the Salt I treaty, was a congressional-executive agreement.”

~ a reputable news source


That's SEVEN instances of Democratic advice to antagonistic countries advising them on how to oppose a GOP president.

 

[Mayhem]

After Chappaquiddick Ted died in 2009 Forbes Magazine revisited his treasonous bullshit memorandums to the Soviet Union during the Reagan Era. That asshole offered to visit Moscow to assist them with their propaganda in order to deal with Reagan. Then he offered to get then Party Chair, Yuri Andropov, sit down interviews with the big three networks in order to appeal directly to the American people. Then he underscored that the effort should be made to make the effort appear to come from the American side.

NBC, CBS, and ABC were awfully quick to shill the Democratic opposition to the GOPs letter to the Iranian leadership but the same standard was not applied when a prominent treasonous asshole Senator from American royalty openly tried to work with the Soviets to hamstring President Reagan’s dealings with the communist regime.

No no no. YOU said there was a character attack in the article. Point it out. Where did anyone call Cotton "Tehran Tom"? Point it out.

Answer the goddamm questions or STFU and piss off.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

If a journalist calls a US Senator "Tehran Tom," where's his integrity and journalistic ethics? I can assassinate character all day long and will continue to do so because I don't have to pretend to be unbiased. "Journalists" barely pay lip service to that any more. If there was any integrity in journalism today no politician would be electable.



Mayhem is a cock chugger. Now if I'd written that for any publication and included your real name I would probably be out of a job. Why isn't the dickhead who wrote that about Cotton out on his ass?

Where did I write that he wrote it in an article? Stop trying to put words in my mouth. The asshole who called him "Tehran Tom" did it on his twitter feed. And I was mistaken. It was a Democratic representative who wrote that. Jared Polis. It just looked like something a Democrat shill in the media would write. A shitty tweet like that from a lawmaker seems even worse.

 

[xfire]

The nastiest, most vile and hateful name calling and smearing lies come from rightwing outlets. When a conservative gets offended by something anyone says about a republican the hilarity is almost lethal.

 

[sean miguel]

That's SEVEN instances of Democratic advice to antagonistic countries advising them on how to oppose a GOP president.

Is that true? Democrats working to undermine a republican president's foreign policy? They should be/should've been brought up on charges.

 

[xfire]

Is that true? Democrats working to undermine a republican president's foreign policy? They should be/should've been brought up on charges.

Any dissent from the Bush administration was treated with such an implied threat, where are the rightwing flag wavers now that a Democrat is president? "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists." Funny how that allegiance fades with the changing of an administration. Show me an example of 47 Democratic Senators pulling a similar stunt and yeah, I would agree they all needed kicked out of office.

 

[Mayhem]

~ a reputable news source

So reputable you couldn't take a half a second to include it? Was it perchance HystericalDouchebagsCallingThemselvesPatriots.org?

Did anyone else notice the attack on Senator Cotton's character rather than the merit of his letter? This is what passes for unbiased journalism.

Where did I write that he wrote it in an article? Stop trying to put words in my mouth. The asshole who called him "Tehran Tom" did it on his twitter feed. And I was mistaken. It was a Democratic representative who wrote that. Jared Polis. It just looked like something a Democrat shill in the media would write. A shitty tweet like that from a lawmaker seems even worse.

You're tightening your already knotted panties over a Twitter feed? Yes, you were mistaken. It's a state of being that you should be used to by now.

With your track record, of every single person on this board, YOUR track record, you actually want to waste our time by getting bent out of shape over "Tehran Tom"? With every passing day it's with increasing amazement that you're not standing on a ledge somewhere.

It just looked like something a...

And this is what makes it especially priceless. I'm going to do you a favor there champ. I'm going to keep telling you what you look like.

 

[xfire]

To borrow from the forum he lifted those allegations from; http://defendingthetruth.com/curren...y-not-understand-about-iran-5.html#post787038


Post #57 in the same thread sums it up pretty well.

Originally Posted By imaginethat >

Outside of that being, "Buh, buh, but the Ds did it too," it's an all-around fail as nothing you cited comes close to 47 Senators overtly trying to sabotage ongoing nuclear negotiations AFTER giving Bibi an opportunity to do some campaigning before a joint session of Congress in which Bibi implored the Congress to oppose the President.

Nothing you cited comes close to that, and every additional, blathering attempt by Republicans that purports to legitimize what The Cotten Gang did just makes bigger asses out of every Republican involved.

In a macabre way, it's funny to watch.

 

[sean miguel]

Show me an example of 47 Democratic Senators pulling a similar stunt and yeah, I would agree they all needed kicked out of office.

So it's the numbers that make the difference here? And by kicked out of office you also mean charged with treason right?

Any dissent from the Bush administration was treated with such an implied threat, where are the rightwing flag wavers now that a Democrat is president? "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists." Funny how that allegiance fades with the changing of an administration.

I don't remember "You're either with us or with the terrorists." being invoked when it came to democrats dissenting against the Bush presidency which there was plenty of. You know what else I don't remember? Anyone questioning the democrats patriotism though it seemed they were constantly bleating about it. On the other hand, Obama did call Bush "unpatriotic." Like your charge of rightwingers' "nastiest, most vile and hateful name calling and smearing lies" towards democrats, I think this is another case of projection on your part.

 

[xfire]

So it's the numbers that make the difference here? And by kicked out of office you also mean charged with treason right? I don't remember "You're either with us or with the terrorists." being invoked when it came to democrats dissenting against the Bush presidency which there was plenty of. You know what else I don't remember? Anyone questioning the democrats patriotism though it seemed they were constantly bleating about it. On the other hand, Obama did call Bush "unpatriotic." Like your charge of rightwingers' "nastiest, most vile and hateful name calling and smearing lies" towards democrats, I think this is another case of projection on your part.

Actually, it's shit like this I'm talking about- http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-want-gop-senator-quit-over-obama-group-151645191.html and of course the fucking screaming liars on corporate rightwing media outlets. Yeah, fuck them in their slimy asses, and doubly for being crybaby bitches for not taking it like a man when it's given the fuck right back. God, I hate titty babies.

Looks like McCain is having buyers remose-

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...-t-the-greatest-idea-ever?detail=facebook_sf#

John McCain was one of the 47 Republican senators who signed onto the open letter to Iran. But he doesn't seem so sure anymore that it was an effective strategy. The letter, McCain said on Fox News, was just intended to "tell the Iranians that whatever deal they make, the Congress of the United States will play a role," but "Maybe that wasn’t the best way."

Gosh, maybe not. But why would almost all of the Republicans in the Senate do such a thing?

“It’s also symptomatic between the total lack of trust that exists now between we Republicans and the president,” he said.

“This has established a poisoned environment here which sometimes causes us to react maybe in not the most effective fashion.”

Isn't it a shame that there's such a lack of trust just mysteriously existing, when all Republicans ever did was say that they were going to block everything President Obama tried to gain partisan points and make it easier to defeat him in 2012. Republicans are so very sad that after years of them refusing to work with the president, he stopped bending over backward to try to do so. Now, Republicans are left with no choice but to retaliate by breaking all precedent in writing to Iran to try to scuttle a diplomatic solution to nuclear concerns.

On the other hand, at least McCain didn't try to claim the letter was some kind of "cheeky" joke.

Yeah, may as well get used to the fact that Cotton's letter was a bad fucking idea. Next time one of these yokel motherfuckers gets an idea the smarter ones in the Republican party need to be sure and stomp it out of the idiot, but that's going to be hard to do because I'm not sure there are any smart ones left in the republican party.

 

[bobjustbob]

That letter was simply foolish. They know how our government works just as well know how theirs does. Anything Iran puts on the table will eventually need signing off by the Ayatollah. He doesn't give a rat's ass about our President or Congress because the ball will always be in his court. The truth is that any agreement can change at any time by both sides. I don't know what these talks will result in and nobody else knows either. Get the reports from the negotiators and quit the fucking grandstanding. Congress should be spending more time dealing with what's already on their desks.

 

[sean miguel]

That letter was meant for Obama as much as it was for Ali Khamenei.

Since the Iranians already know how our government works, that letter should have no effect on the negotiations. It was just an unnecessary FYI.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Fuck these treasonous GOP bastards. John Kerry did not hold an elected office when he did whatever it was he did during the Vietnam War. Republicans and their mouthpieces in the lying corporate media, like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Mark Levin, etc., have made it ok for right wingers to do and get away with just about anything all the while making shit up about Democrats and Liberals. The DOJ needs to bring charges up against the senators that signed that letter and prosecute the whole damn bunch of them.

You are always mentioning Bill O'Reilly. He is not at the top of most conservative's list as a comservative voice at all. If you think he is a right winger then you don't have a grasp of conservatism in the least

Mark Levin is one of the greatest constitutional scholars of our time. And if Obama can circumvent congress at every turn then they can circumvent him and his misguided stroking of the Iranian regime

 

[sean miguel]

You are always mentioning Bill O'Reilly. He is not at the top of most conservative's list as a comservative voice at all. If you think he is a right winger then you don't have a grasp of conservatism in the least

Mark Levin is one of the greatest constitutional scholars of our time. And if Obama can circumvent congress at every turn then they can circumvent him and his misguided stroking of the Iranian regime

lol @ Bill O'Reilly a conservative, he of the militant middle.

 

[xfire]

You are always mentioning Bill O'Reilly. He is not at the top of most conservative's list as a comservative voice at all. If you think he is a right winger then you don't have a grasp of conservatism in the least

Mark Levin is one of the greatest constitutional scholars of our time. And if Obama can circumvent congress at every turn then they can circumvent him and his misguided stroking of the Iranian regime

I get sick of you claiming that people "always" do this or that. I don't always do anything. I mention O'Reilly when he's relevant. You can argue his position in the conservative hierarchy, I really don't care, he's a superstar on the conservative Political Entertainment channel so whether or not you consider him on conservatives list as a conservative voice is really a moot point, he's on the payroll and gets the ratings for the conservative viewpoint.

Mark Levin is a lisping asshole that's constantly on the attack, and he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is, the only reason Senator Cotton penned his ill advised letter was to be an asshole, too. We get it, you guys don't like Obama, oh fucking well, the titty baby tactics need to stop.