No good deed goes unpunished

"I hope you learned your lesson, Lisa. Never help anyone."
- Homer Simpson

I don't really believe that, but what a thing to happen. Who should pay?

Zion, Illinois, U.S.A.

"Heroic Teen Asked to Pay"

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38847067/ns/local_news-chicago_il/[/URL]

No good deed goes unpunished.

That's the lesson a Zion teen learned after he saved a drowning boy and then, after he accompanied the victim to the hospital, was charged for medical care that he didn't want or need.

Here's how it went down: Trevor Hall, 17, and his family went swimming at Silver Lake in Kenosha, Wisconsin Monday. Shortly after arriving on the beach, the teen heard calls for help about five to 10 feet from where he was, family members said.

Hall swam over to the area of disturbance, dived under the water, and pulled up an unconscious 14-year-old boy.

Once the victim, Aaron Puente, was in shallow enough water, Hall's cousin, Nicole Bollinger, administered chest compressions and resuscitated him.

The lifeguard on duty was wearing headphones at the time, Bollinger said. He didn't notice the screams for help until Hall was swimming back to shore with the boy. The the lifeguard called for emergency personnel.

"He did what the lifeguard should have done - Trevor saved the boy," Bollinger said.

Meanwhile, Kenosha County suspended - and now reinstated - the lifeguard while it investigated the incident. Using an electronic device violates lifeguard policy in Kenosha.

So far, so good. But this is where the feel-good story takes a turn for the bureaucratically bizarre.

During the rescue, Hall swallowed some water and paramedics insisted he go to the Aurora medical Center in Kenosha as a precaution, said Sgt. Gil Benn of the Kenosha County Sheriff's department.

The hospital performed several tests including blood work and chest X-rays. The next day the hospital informed Bollinger, who is Hall's guardian, she would owe $1,219 for the tests and close to $700 for the ambulance ride.

The single mother wants Kenosha County to foot the bill for all the medial expenses, she said.

"Why is it my insurances problem to take care of this when we did something good," she said during a phone interview. "It wasnt his fault. In my opinion its the lifeguards fault and they need to pay."

A spokeswoman for the Kenosha county Executive Office, who is handling all media inquiries, said the county has finished its investigation and found that the lifeguard on duty acted appropriately.

"Their contribution with local law enforcement and lifesaving personnel complied with the responsibilities expected of a guard on duty," said Jennie Tunkieicz, spokeswoman for Kenosha County Executive Office. "None of the life guards on duty were distracted by electronic as was reported."

John Ludie, the general manager of park operations for Kenosha County, told a local paper Monday that since the victim was swimming outside the designated swimming area, the lifeguard isn't required to enter the water for a rescue.

Once you go outside of that, its the lifeguards call Ludie told the Kenosha News. The right thing to do is go in the water, but that could put your lifeguard in danger. Its that much more distance for the lifeguard to pull someone in.

Bollinger said she spoke with Puente's mother who offered more than just gratitude.

"She offered us money, but it's not her fault," Bollinger said. "In my opinion it's the lifeguard's fault and they need to pay.

The hospital says it will wait until Bollinger, who is insured, enrolls Hall, who is currently uninsured, in Illinois' children health care program before sending its bill. Bollinger said she is working to get Hall enrolled now.

Tunkieicz encouraged Bollinger to fill out the proper paperwork with the county if she feels the county should pay her medical bills.
 

Ace Bandage

The one and only.
This is why I won't ever help someone. I'm not afraid of expenses or being sued, I just genuinely hate humanity.

Medical personnel do everything they can to make money, but the kid could have refused treatment. They can't force you to take an ambulance ride. Lesson learned, I guess...
 
That's ridiculous. $700 for an ambulance ride?

I have a good friend that took an ambulance ride not too long ago. They itemized everything involved with the ambulance ride on a neat little invoice. Among other ridiculous things, he was charged nearly $7 per cotton swab that they used while in the ambulance.
 

Mayhem

Banned
"We are investigating the lifeguard in question and we will determine......what's that?......medical bill?........HOW MUCH?!?........ahem, yes we have investigated and determined that the lifeguard did just great."
 
"We are investigating the lifeguard in question and we will determine......what's that?......medical bill?........HOW MUCH?!?........ahem, yes we have investigated and determined that the lifeguard did just great."

Good point. It's likely for them to do that, just so they don't have to pay. And they may figure that then either this person will pay or some sympathizers will step in and help pay. Either way, the county comes out fine. They have people on their payroll whose jobs it is is to find any ways possible to get around money, so it could happen.
 
I deal with shit like this every month b/c of my daughters medical conditions. Hospitals and heath insurance companies are just a bunch of money grubbing assholes! And we as human beings are simply numbers to them! Take me back to the day of private physicians and house calls. These huge corporations that call themselves hospitals have absolutely ZERO heart or common sence! I'd have a better chance of understanding the meaning of life and our purpose in the universe than I would making sence of these people's policies! FUCK'EM! :cussing:
 
^ I know the feeling! I have do deal with it because of mine as well. The whole medical system needs one hell of an overhaul because the whole thing seems incredibly crooked.
 
Ah, the good ol U.S.A. where we treat medicine as a cutthroat business and a function of the market instead of a human right...like you know, how almost every other civilized non-totalitarian country does.

This isn't the first time I've herd stories like this. If there is one thing I've learned about this type of situation it is that if there is no potential future legal reason to get checked out by medical personnel when that happens and you are pretty sure you are fine you never go to the hospital after when some official tell you that you should and you NEVER get on the ambulance, especially if your uninsured. It sounds (and is) completely insane we have to live in that kind of society, but it's the way it is.
 
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39240284/ns/local_news-chicago_il/

Beaten Bassist: I'm a Walking Miracle

NBCChicago.com
updated 9/17/2010 7:45:09 PM ET


Matthew Leone shouldn't be walking. Or talking. Or possibly even alive.

The bassist for popular Chicago band Madina Lake was savagely beaten in June after he tried to intervene in an altercation between a man and his wife.

The man attacked Leone from behind, injuring him so severely that doctors removed one-third of his skull to make room as his swollen brain returned to size.

Now Leone says his recovery is a profundity he can't even begin to understand.

"They say I'm borderline defying science," Leone said, "because of the way I'm able to walk and talk."

Leone also suffered a broken jaw, a broken nose and a fractured skull. Leone went through two surgeries to re-attach parts of his skull. The support he received has been amazing, he says.

"People have absolutely blown my mind with their good vibrations, it's just floored me."

Charges against Leone's attacker were filed in July. Asked whether he bore any ill will to his attacker, Leone said he couldn't let that occupy his thoughts.

"If I let that dominate my thoughts or my life, it's just going to negatively affect me."


I saw a news story yesterday on this and saw that he's already back in the studio with the rest of the band, laying down some guitar tracks, writing some new songs. :thumbsup: :hatsoff: :banger:
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
During the rescue, Hall swallowed some water and paramedics insisted he go to the Aurora medical Center in Kenosha as a precaution, said Sgt. Gil Benn of the Kenosha County Sheriff's department.

The kid was 17, correct? Did the paramedics get his mother's permission BEFORE sending him to the hospital? 17 year olds cannot make legally enforceable contracts in my state. I don't know about Wisconsin. But considering that this kid did something fairly heroic, if the bills aren't written off by the hospital and the ambulance company, I'd rather see some attorney represent this family pro bono and take it to court.

BTW, did the paramedic work for the ambulance company? Nothing like having a job where you can create business for yourself, eh?
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
That's ridiculous. $700 for an ambulance ride?

Shit, that's cheap. When my back went out after I got off a plane, the ambulance company charged my insurance company $900 for a short ride across town.

The healthcare system in the U.S. is based on the profit motive. People are charged whatever the market will bear. And the coolest part is, a sick person is less likely to be able to negotiate. If I had someone agree to a contract when they were not of sound mind & body, a court would likely invalidate the agreement. But hospitals and doctors do it every day. How cool is that?
 
i learned this the hard way as well. i was taken in an ambulance against my will once and without going into details of how they duped me into getting in, i found out about a month later never to get onto/into an ambulance after receiving a bill around $1000 for that shit. some things just aint right.
 
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