NKorea threatens 'nuclear deterrence' over drills

[Trident1]

we wouldn't have to deal with this if Truman had let MacArthur nuke North Korea in 1951. just saying.

We should've let the Soviets nuke China when they approached us with the idea in 1971.

 

[Rey C.]

We should've let the Soviets nuke China when they approached us with the idea in 1971.

Are you sure they said China and not Chinatown? :dunno: You mentioned something in another thread about people talking who weren't alive in the 1980's. Well, I was alive in the 60's and 70's and we were still doing fallout shelter drills when I was in elementary school. We had as big a beef at that time with the Ruskies as we did the ChiComs... especially since the USSR was the country that almost pushed us to nuclear war just a few years prior to that.


Here's my bet on how this is going to play out. Like a short guy in a bar with a small man's complex, who has a big brother (China), North Korea will do what all little people do: talk a lot of senseless shit. We will tell China that we don't want any hassle with them (and we'd really appreciate it if they'd keep buying our low yield U.S. Treasuries, and they'll say they'd appreciate it if we'd keep buying their mass produced plastic shit), but they do need to get Kim Jong back on his leash. They will quietly take Kim Jong Il aside, tell him he can talk all the shit that he wants to, but the first missile he fires at a U.S. ship, they will pants him and whip his narrow dwarf ass. He'll stamp his lil feet, talk some more shit and that will be the end of it.

North Korea is China's way of pissing off the rest of the world, just like Israel is our way of pissing of the rest of the world. Neither country is worth the nuke it would take to blow them up, although the world would be MUCH better off without both of them. But China can't afford to REALLY let North Korea screw things up for them anymore than we can afford to let Israel screw things up for us. So we pay them off to be good little boys and they keep their traps shut for another 6-12 months. Rinse and repeat...

 

[Trident1]

Are you sure they said China and not Chinatown? :dunno:

Nah it was in '71. At an embassy dinner party the Soviet Ambassador approached one of our diplomats to ask if we wouldn't mind the Soviets launching a pre-emptive strike against China's nuclear weapon facilities. We said yes we would mind and the matter was dropped.
Not long after in '72 Nixon helped pave the way by opening diplomatic relations with Red China.

The Soviets and the PRC got into a shooting war with between each others Border Guards over the Ussuri River in 1969. The contested area involved some islands in the middle of the river as to who owned them. The pissing match bothered the Russians enough that they considered a nuke strike to teach the Chinese a lesson.

 

[D-rock]

I love how you'd dump an ally of 60 years and tell them to give in to the aggressor.

Good thing you aren't in a position of making foreign policy.:bowdown:

South Korea is more powerful and could probably kick the North's ass if they wanted to. It wouldn't be like we would leaving them to the wolves.

 

[Trident1]

South Korea is more powerful and could probably kick the North's ass if they wanted to. It wouldn't be like we would leaving them to the wolves.

True but we're not about to pull our Marines, AF, and Army troops out. Remember only a ceasefire was signed in '53. A state of war therefore still exists.

 

[bustybbwlover]

True but we're not about to pull our Marines, AF, and Army troops out. Remember only a ceasefire was signed in '53. A state of war therefore still exists.

also it's a lovely strategic location for getting to anywhere in asia...just in case
and on the topic in general every other time kim jong il has flipped out like this we've shipped some commodities over (hennessy in particular cuz it's his favorite) and he's settled his little wanna be god ass down

 

[D-rock]

also it's a lovely strategic location for getting to anywhere in asia...just in case
and on the topic in general every other time kim jong il has flipped out like this we've shipped some commodities over (hennessy in particular cuz it's his favorite) and he's settled his little wanna be god ass down

So if we send him a gigantic set of stairs and a slinky he will probably never become a problem again. :1orglaugh

 

[Supafly]

In case soem of you are interested in the background of the situation in North Korea (and especially their relöationship with China), here is a very- in-depth article:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11097/chinanorth_korea_relationship.html

China is North Korea's most important ally, biggest trading partner, and main source of food, arms, and fuel. China has helped sustain Kim Jong-Il's regime and opposed harsh international economic sanctions in the hope of avoiding regime collapse and an uncontrolled influx of refugees across its 800-mile border with North Korea. After Pyongyang tested a nuclear weapon in October 2006, experts say that China has reconsidered the nature of its alliance to include both pressure and inducements. North Korea's second nuclear test in May 2009 further complicated its relationship with China, which has played a central role in the Six-Party Talks, the multilateral framework aimed at denuclearizing North Korea. CFR's Scott Snyder and See-won Byun of the Asia Foundation argue the nuclear tests highlight the tensions (PDF) between China's "emerging role as a global actor with increasing international responsibilities and prestige and a commitment to North Korea as an ally with whom China shares longstanding historical and ideological ties.

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China's support for Pyongyang ensures a friendly nation on its northeastern border, as well as provides a buffer zone between China and democratic South Korea, which is home to around twenty-nine thousand U.S. troops and marines. This allows China to reduce its military deployment in its northeast and "focus more directly on the issue of Taiwanese independence," Shen Dingli of the Institute of International Studies at Fudan University in Shanghai writes in China Security (PDF). North Korea's allegiance is important to Beijing as a bulwark against U.S. military dominance of the region as well as against the rise of Japan's military.

China also gains economically from its association with North Korea; growing numbers of Chinese firms are investing in North Korea and gaining concessions like preferable trading terms and port operations.

"For the Chinese, stability and the avoidance of war are the top priorities," says Daniel Sneider, the associate director for research at Stanford's Asia-Pacific Research Center. "From that point of view, the North Koreans are a huge problem for them, because Pyongyang could trigger a war on its own." The specter of hundreds of thousands of North Korean refugees flooding into China is a huge worry for Beijing. "The Chinese are most concerned about the collapse of North Korea leading to chaos on the border," CFR's Segal says. If North Korea does provoke a war with the United States, China and South Korea would bear the brunt of any military confrontation on the Korean peninsula. Yet both those countries have been hesitant about pushing Pyongyang too hard, for fear of making Kim's regime collapse.

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Quite a tricky state the world is in.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Bloody NK.
Those guys are a grade A pain in the arse and actually deserve to be invaded.