Pens and Redwings rematch should make for an interesting series. Although I think that a Pens vs Blackhawks series would have been more entertaining hockey.
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The NHL is loving this. They have their superstars that are supposed be the faces of the league VS. the best TEAM in the game. Just remember the Wings were supposed to turn back into the Dead Things when Stevie retired and Shanny left. Yet they still are a threat EVERY year. Ken Holland knows how to make a hockey team.
Let's Go Red Wings (clap, clap, clap clap clap)
Let's Go Red Wings (clap, clap, clap clap clap)
I'm dissapointated.
I wanted to see something different and new- Chicago, Boston, San Jose, Washington.
Marlo Manson
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Well sorry to say they didn't make it. so get over it. FFS I hate the Redwings are playing the Penguins again. But the Penguins earned the right to play in the Stanley Cup Finals again.
:thefingerSo despite that I CANNOT STAND Crysby, I have to put up with him until the series is over. if any of the teams mentioned above, were good enough to beat the WC champions or the EC champions then they would have made it to the FINALS. :2 cents:
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Haha San Jose. The choke more than Cass Elliot.
The Wings were supposed to see these dark days when Yzerman, Shanny, Fedorov, Hull, Robitaille, Larionov all left or retired. Followed by they can't keep up the defense when Konstantinov and Fischer both had their careers cut short. Then it was damn they are too old after the lockout. Which leaves my favorite. There is no way they can compete in a salary cap league.
afkallthetiem
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They're a deep team with good management, but they lost the game Datsyuk missed against Chicago.
I was just saying that as a statistician, not as a rah rah i hate wings guy. Im sure they can pull some trades, it's possible, especially with some of the more retarded GMs around the league ... NYR, Wild, etc. Im not counting them out or anything, nor do I think the old red wings guys are less athletic than the young guys, thats already been disproven many times as well. Im just saying they're old.
Its like youre running the assumption that they already won the cup. It was closer than you think last year, should the Pens take it Detroit will have to make adjustments, like I said I'm sure they'll manage but it won't be easy. You've got a wings av so I imagine you can't see it from that perspective, but the ice they stand on is thinner than you think.
I was just saying that as a statistician, not as a rah rah i hate wings guy. Im sure they can pull some trades, it's possible, especially with some of the more retarded GMs around the league ... NYR, Wild, etc. Im not counting them out or anything, nor do I think the old red wings guys are less athletic than the young guys, thats already been disproven many times as well. Im just saying they're old.
Its like youre running the assumption that they already won the cup. It was closer than you think last year, should the Pens take it Detroit will have to make adjustments, like I said I'm sure they'll manage but it won't be easy. You've got a wings av so I imagine you can't see it from that perspective, but the ice they stand on is thinner than you think.
Marlo Manson
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If that's what your hoping for don't hold your breath, Detroit was supposedly gonna suffer once Yzerman retired, Shanny , Hull, Lapointe, Federov, Larionov all left the team etc.. Detroit will prolly lose Lidstrom in a few years, along with Osgood, Draper, Maltby, Chelios, Holmstrom, but don't forget the Redwings haven't had a 1st round draft pick since they selected Martin Lapointe in the mid 90's..
Detroits Minor League system (Farm Team / Minors) is Stacked, they have thoroughbreds just waiting to come up and take over the team when all the great veterans leave, expected drop off will be very little if any. Detroit is geared to be great for @least the next 10 + years. :uohs: that sucks for the rest of the league huh.
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afkallthetiem
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Oh you're just a homer that didn't read my post, gotcha, carry on then.
Marlo Manson
Hello Sexy girl how your Toes doing?
I apologize I quoted you and all of your post, it was not all there, you must've edited your post while I quoted you or something? :dunno: It was too late for me to retract what I wrote. but yes I am a Homer.
I do agree with what you said. I just think that since Detroit is so good, everybody has some new angle or reason to belittle, criticize, or doubt them @ every opportunity. your points didn't go un-noticed. you can make last years series closer then the outcome or you can look @ it like pittsburgh was given the chance to make it a series. :dunno:
I think Crysby and Malkins #'s and production are higher this years playoffs cuz they don't have Hossa or Malone, and Staal hasn't had a great playoffs to this point, and they've gotten more ice-time in critical do or die situations, and for the most part I don't think ANY of the Defense's they've faced in the 1st 3 rounds have the depth and skill that the Redwings defense has, that & the fact, that ALL of the Redwings Forwards are Great Backcheckers. therefore I think the Redwings still win the Stanley cup in 4 or 5 games. :2 cents::hatsoff:
afkallthetiem
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Pen's didn't have Hossa until late in the season though and they didn't even have Gonchar for the most of this one. I'm not a Penguins fan by any stretch, Im actually a Coyotes fan of all things so I could give two shits who wins, Im content watching my shitty team lose for eternity. But it also means that I get a objective perspective on these things and it just seems Pens are on a mission and they have Ovie's blessing to win the cup, I wouldn't count them out homer or not. Realistically though I think the chances are more like 60/40 in wings favor. You better pray Osgood is still playoffs Osgood and not season Osgood!
Wings will always get shit for how they play, I don't really mind it but I do really want to see someone beat them only to be able to recognize a truly great team. The west teams sure shit the bed this post season though. Particularly Blue Jackets, Joe Thorton, Sharks, Joe Thorton and Joe Thorton.
Wings will always get shit for how they play, I don't really mind it but I do really want to see someone beat them only to be able to recognize a truly great team. The west teams sure shit the bed this post season though. Particularly Blue Jackets, Joe Thorton, Sharks, Joe Thorton and Joe Thorton.
so it shall be the redwings and penguins for the cup . ill have my popcorn ready it aught to be a great series and of course the pens will fall short and the redwings will rule the world
last night's game came down to shots on goal again. i think that chicago actually outplayed detroit in most ways, but detroit just got the puck on the net more, and with experienced players that is just a winning strategy.
Why don't more teams figure this out?
Why don't more teams figure this out?
That was a great goal by Kane, but that was about it and tonight you saw the heart of a champion willing its way to win, Detroit beat the young, physical, very talented Blackhawks even though we were without our Captain, maybe the best defensman ever to play in the NHL. :dunno: that is debatable and depends on who your asking, that's right, I would be talking about Niklas Lidstrom, then we were without, arguably one of our best and most skilled forwards, not to mention one of the best back checking forwards in the league, that would be Pavel Datsyuk, then to top that off with EVEN more adversity how about losing another one of our top 4 D-men in Big Ass 6' 5" Rookie (D) Jonathan Erickson who had an emergency appendectomy. Yet shorthanded the Redwings still win without all of those players.
Detroit is gonna win the cup again. there's NO way Detroit lets lord Stanley's cup slip through their hands to likes of the penguins. the Penguins are NOT as good as they were last year.
I will give everybody that posts here in the NHL threads a treat. if the Redwings Lose to the penguins in the cup finals I will NEVER post or comment on the Redwings again in the NHL thread here on FO's.
However if they win again NO more Redwing hating on my watch.
Don't do that Marlo. I wouldn't want you to stop saying what it is you want to say. If you want to say "RED WINGS RULE!" every five seconds you should go ahead and do so. Seriously, this is NOT sarcasm.
As for Lidstrom being the greatest defenceman of all time, I'm really sorry, but NO FUCKING WAY IN HELL is he the greatest D-man of all time. You could put up a GREAT argument for him being the SECOND greatest D-man of all time, and I would be on your side if you did, but perhaps you're forgetting a man by the name of Bobby Orr, who just happens to be arguably the second greatest PLAYER of all time behind Gretzky (because face it, anyone who wants to claim that anybody is better than Gretzky is just trying to sound smart, but in the end you just sound stupid because no one compares, it's a fact, stats don't lie).
Sorry, Marlo, I'm not trying to pick on you here, I love your posts, but I have to ask whether or not you've even watched a single Penguins game all postseason long. You keep saying that their team isn't as good as last season, but it's so OBVIOUS that they're 239847234987 times better by watching them play. Ever since Bylsma took over after the firing of Therrien they've been a whole different team. Malkin is skating circles around EVERYONE right now and Crosby is crashing the net like a maniac and Guerin and Kunitz are finding him with perfect passes, their chemistry right now is a beautiful thing to watch. Crosby has NEVER scored goals at this pace before and I'm starting to think that he could put up 50 next season. Just because they lost a couple of good players doesn't necessarily mean they're not going to be as good a team and, again, by watching them you can clearly see that they're a much better team than they were last year. The other thing is Staal; this is the main reason I question whether or not you've even been watching the Pens to this point. Staal has been a monster. His job isn't to score, I don't know if that's what you're basing his success on, because he's been the best third-line forward in the NHL this postseason. His job is to check the other team's scoring line and he's done that brilliantly. The other thing is Crosby, I was by no means a Crosby fan prior to the start of this postseason, but I am now. He's demonstrated impressive leadership and poise all throughout these playoffs and has been a man on a mission, and that attitude has trickled down to the rest of the team and they've followed suit. Maybe you just have a blind hatred of Crosby, but I find it hard not to like him when he's playing the way he is.
That said, the Red Wings are definitely a much tougher team than what the Pens have faced thus far, so this Stanley Cup Final is going to be a good one and very close, but I don't want you going into it with any delusions about the Pens because they're going to be a tough team to beat. Prediction on the way.
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The biggest problem I saw with Chicago against Detroit is they always let Detroit stand in front of the net with screen goals. Holmstrom for example always had his ass in Huet's or Khabilian's face. Why? Because nobody is big enough on the team to thrash bodies. I really hope they focus on getting some enforcers for next season.
By the way, anybody know what channel is showing the game on Saturday?
By the way, anybody know what channel is showing the game on Saturday?
Prediction:
Well, my predictions from the Conference Finals held, so my prediction for the Stanley Cup Final has not changed:
Penguins in 7. They are a team on a mission and look destined to win the Cup this year. Whether Lidstrom or Datsyuk play or not, I believe the Pens will win it this year. Crosby and Malkin are a brand new two-headed monster that even Zetterberg and Datsyuk won't be able to slow down. It's going to be an incredible series, I think. Cleary could be a major X-factor in this one, but I think the Pens will probably throw Staal, Kennedy, and Cooke out there to check the Cleary-Zetterberg line and that'll slow them down. Datsyuk's offence hasn't been there all postseason and I don't expect that to change. Hossa needs to play well, and the Wings definitely need some scoring help from their third and fourth lines, which isn't out of the question. Because the Penguins two scoring lines are formidable right now and they WILL outscore the Red Wings two scoring lines. However, if the Red Wings third and fourth lines can negate that by having a big series offensively, then it could go the Red Wings way. Osgood has definitely been more impressive than Fleury this postseason, but Fleury is coming off his best game of the postseason in Game 4 against the Hurricanes, so he might be poised to get on a roll. Either way, this is going to be a good one, no doubt.
Conn Smythe Trophy: Evgeni Malkin. I have been saying Crosby, but in the last few games of the series against the Capitals and in the series against the Hurricanes, Malkin has been the best player on the ice. Crosby does have the better stats though, so it could still be him.
Well, my predictions from the Conference Finals held, so my prediction for the Stanley Cup Final has not changed:
Penguins in 7. They are a team on a mission and look destined to win the Cup this year. Whether Lidstrom or Datsyuk play or not, I believe the Pens will win it this year. Crosby and Malkin are a brand new two-headed monster that even Zetterberg and Datsyuk won't be able to slow down. It's going to be an incredible series, I think. Cleary could be a major X-factor in this one, but I think the Pens will probably throw Staal, Kennedy, and Cooke out there to check the Cleary-Zetterberg line and that'll slow them down. Datsyuk's offence hasn't been there all postseason and I don't expect that to change. Hossa needs to play well, and the Wings definitely need some scoring help from their third and fourth lines, which isn't out of the question. Because the Penguins two scoring lines are formidable right now and they WILL outscore the Red Wings two scoring lines. However, if the Red Wings third and fourth lines can negate that by having a big series offensively, then it could go the Red Wings way. Osgood has definitely been more impressive than Fleury this postseason, but Fleury is coming off his best game of the postseason in Game 4 against the Hurricanes, so he might be poised to get on a roll. Either way, this is going to be a good one, no doubt.
Conn Smythe Trophy: Evgeni Malkin. I have been saying Crosby, but in the last few games of the series against the Capitals and in the series against the Hurricanes, Malkin has been the best player on the ice. Crosby does have the better stats though, so it could still be him.
That's the change that Babcock needed to make, as soon as the Red Wings started trying to score that way the series was over.
The game is on CBC in Canada, NBC in the States.
kristoflaw10
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Well, I guess every series can't go seven and be as exciting as the last round. But you gotta love the heart of the Redwings and the Penguins, I hope this series is a nail-biter...
I love Crosby and Lecavelier, but I think I have a new favorite player in Eric Staal... man that guy just turned it on to late against the Penguins. I'd love to see him at 110 vs the Pens. Me and my bro were discussing the eventual cap situation regarding the Pens, and wouldn't that be interesting if Jordan Staal eventually played with his bro. I mean the guy can score but I love his defence and team first attitude... while not in the same category as Stevie Y, I see him as a player as a similar team-first player.
Sorry to go off topic there... GO WINGS!!!
I love Crosby and Lecavelier, but I think I have a new favorite player in Eric Staal... man that guy just turned it on to late against the Penguins. I'd love to see him at 110 vs the Pens. Me and my bro were discussing the eventual cap situation regarding the Pens, and wouldn't that be interesting if Jordan Staal eventually played with his bro. I mean the guy can score but I love his defence and team first attitude... while not in the same category as Stevie Y, I see him as a player as a similar team-first player.
Sorry to go off topic there... GO WINGS!!!
You did forget to mention Franzen who is #4 in the playoffs stats and Filppula who has many points as Cleary. It is easy to reduce the teams to Crosby-Malkin and Datsuyk-Zetterberg.
Of course the Pens are playing some of the best hockey I have seen lately.
I am still sticking to the Wings in 6 games. Press wise everyone fell in love with the Pens after the duke out with Ovechkin. The Red Wings still have the benefit of more experience and they are due for a breakout by Hossa and Datsuyk.
looking forward to a good stanley series!
Yzerman was infamous for his Me-First attutude until Scotty Bowman showed up and threatened to send his ass to Ottawa. We all know what happened after that. 3 cups!!
I don't care how good Pittsburgh is playing. How many points Crosby and Malkin have. How good Fleury has been. How good their record has been since Bylsma came in. How much heart they showed in the Washington series. It all doesn't matter.
They haven't played Detroit yet.
It is hilarious to see people doubt the Wings every year.
1.Oh they can't win in a salary cap league. Wrong.
2.They are too old. Wrong.
3.A European led team can't win the cup. Wrong.
4.Osgood isn't good enough to win a cup. Wrong. Twice.
5.They aren't tough enough to go 7 games with San Jose/Calgary/Anaheim. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
6.They can't beat a hot goalie. Mason. Wrong.
7.If Anaheim can beat San Jose, they can beat Detroit. Wrong.
8.If Chicago can light up Luongo, they can light up Osgood. Wrong
9.They can't win without Lidstrom and Datsyuk. Wrong.
Pittsburgh hasn't seen a monster like Detroit yet. They haven't seen the opposing teams best offensive players, (Ovechkin, Richards, Semin etc) backcheck like their lives depended on it. (Datysuk, Zetterberg, Hossa)
They haven't seen the best defensive team in the NHL. With the best defenseman of this generation. With the deepest group in the league.
They haven't seen 3rd and 4th line scoring like Detroit's.
Fleury hasn't faced a presence in front of the net like Holmstrom or Franzen.
They haven't faced a power play like Detroit.
Wings in 6 and Detroit will go down as the greatest team ever assembled in the salary cap era. Ever.
Crosby will get his. Just not this year.
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