New Poll Shows Most Americans Would Replace ENTIRE Congress!

[Rattrap]

you're quite right but there were plenty of other candidates just they don't have the money to buy the airtime and the big*2*won't allow them into the debates and that's why we're stuck with um.

We're only stuck if we allow ourselves to be stuck. Right now we're in an unprecedented time time with regards to the ability of an individual to spread their views - via Facebook, Twitter, etc.

Think of it this way: what if you could convince *two* Facebook friends to vote for an independent, but also got them to convince two others, and so on? Deciding you're not stuck is half the battle; deciding you are is forfeiting the battle entirely.

Voting in people not of the two main parties is really the only non-catastrophic means of real change I see happening. Not that I really see it happening; but I will continue to push for it, because anything else is basically forfeiting the country. Pretty much every important change we need to make - from money in politics to gerrymandering to single-member voting going to something much more sensible like instant run-off voting, the ability for members of Congress to directly profit from laws they create, hell, spending or the military industrial complex - none of this will change with Democrats or Republicans. None. It won't change with Obama, it won't change with another President Clinton, it won't change with a Democrat majority in both houses nor will it change with a sudden Republican President with Republican majorities. I can pretty much guarantee this with the same level of confidence as death and taxes.

 

[Master Roshi]

We're only stuck if we allow ourselves to be stuck. Right now we're in an unprecedented time time with regards to the ability of an individual to spread their views - via Facebook, Twitter, etc.

Think of it this way: what if you could convince *two* Facebook friends to vote for an independent, but also got them to convince two others, and so on? Deciding you're not stuck is half the battle; deciding you are is forfeiting the battle entirely.

Voting in people not of the two main parties is really the only non-catastrophic means of real change I see happening. Not that I really see it happening; but I will continue to push for it, because anything else is basically forfeiting the country. Pretty much every important change we need to make - from money in politics to gerrymandering to single-member voting going to something much more sensible like instant run-off voting, the ability for members of Congress to directly profit from laws they create, hell, spending or the military industrial complex - none of this will change with Democrats or Republicans. None. It won't change with Obama, it won't change with another President Clinton, it won't change with a Democrat majority in both houses nor will it change with a sudden Republican President with Republican majorities. I can pretty much guarantee this with the same level of confidence as death and taxes.

I still can't understand why everyone is so stuck on the left vs right, you have to see the forest for the trees and look at where the money is coming from that makes this monster run

 

[Petra]

I still can't understand why everyone is so stuck on the left vs right, you have to see the forest for the trees and look at where the money is coming from that makes this monster run

I think a lot of it is tradition. My mother is republican, my mother's mother was republican, therefore instead of thinking for myself and making my own decision I will vote republican because that's how it always was. I know families who are very, very proud of their republican roots. Almost scary proud.

So, instead of voting for the person who can do the job the best, because America continues to vote on tradition, we will keep having this clusterfuk.

 

[Mariahxxx]

Very true. My mom is a full blown liberal. Her parents were so she is and she knows next to nothing about politics. She just repeats what she hears on MSNBC and it is so annoying. I was a republican and she used to get so pissed but when she would try and argue all she could say is "the republican are only for rich people" which isn't wrong, but it was her only argument. It made me want to know why I was a republican and why I chose that side.

If people don't think for themselves and not worry about which party you call your own, and consider the issues more we would be a lot better off.

 

[Master Roshi]

Very true. My mom is a full blown liberal. Her parents were so she is and she knows next to nothing about politics. She just repeats what she hears on MSNBC and it is so annoying. I was a republican and she used to get so pissed but when she would try and argue all she could say is "the republican are only for rich people" which isn't wrong, but it was her only argument. It made me want to know why I was a republican and why I chose that side.

If people don't think for themselves and not worry about which party you call your own, and consider the issues more we would be a lot better off.

its akin to being a cult member many people seem to be searching for some cult of personality that is going to lead them to some valhalla, when people finally start to do their own homework on how this current societal system runs, then maybe we will start to finally see some real positive change going forward, it might take a few hundred years but I will keep my fingers crossed

 

[georges]

election season has become a business. it's much more about the campaign than it is anything else. look at the amount of money spent. if we were like the UK where each side got the same amount of money and 6 weeks, the corporations that have been raking in billions (TV networks to start the list) would go insane. It would take the bribery and special interest out of elections and a much fairer playing field. but that will NEVER happen. if a 3rd party were to run they would get no support and if they were elected it would be even less than none. its fixed. plain and simple

to reassure you, it was the same in France, during the last election