New Jersey Bans Death Penalty
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Vanilla Bear
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No I dont.
I said Id rather pay the "chair" than his life in prison.
And the death penalty never costs the tax payer more than a life in prison...
And the death penalty could still be less expensive...
"we" dont need to kill them in the "human-way"...
thats why it might be so expensive.
Just face against the wall and....
but then people like you come and say "ohhh thats against humanism and...!if "we" really have to kill him why dont do it the "human-way"?"
Of coure I care about the human rights, but I say it again:
If someone kills or rapes another person then he trespasses against humanism and loses his right to live!
i am a conservitive however i am against the death penalty because i beleive 2 wrongs dont make a right.
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What bothers me about the death penalty is that it's been carried out , even under the full judicial process, on some very flimsy evidence in the past.Very often the prosecution merely proves that someone could have rather than did commit the murder.
Look at the Sally Clarke case-she was convicted of killing her two small children on what later was discredited evidence .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/16/nclark116.xml
Look at the Sally Clarke case-she was convicted of killing her two small children on what later was discredited evidence .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/16/nclark116.xml
Vanilla Bear
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I said the "real" death penalty never costs more than a life in prison!
It dont need to be that expensive.
Face against the wall and...
Its just that expensive because of the humanists.
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I wont say anything further...I dont want to get banned, because I say my opinion.
It dont need to be that expensive.
Face against the wall and...
Its just that expensive because of the humanists.
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I wont say anything further...I dont want to get banned, because I say my opinion.
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http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/offenses/violent_crime/index.html
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_01.html
The violent crime rate dropped significantly in the mid 90's, but it has been increasing for the past few years.
I don't care if someone is insane or not, if they commit an unspeakable crime then they should be punished for it. If their crime warrants the penalty of death, then so be it. The argument of "they didn't know any better" doesn't sit right with me.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs, but here is why I personally disagree with that mentality...
Let's say that someone murders my whole entire family in cold blood. The murderer goes to court and has their trial. The judge, using the mentality of "life in prison is more frustrating, punishing and ego-breaking", hands the murderer a sentence of life in prison. The whole entire time that the murderer is in prison, I'M PAYING TO KEEP HIM ALIVE!!! My tax money is now paying to feed the person who murdered my family, cloth the person who murdered my family and provide the person who murdered my family with a roof over their head.
So yes, it is more frustrating...for me. It is more punishing...for me. It is more ego-breaking...for me.
Crime is still going to happen no matter what. Even the most severe penalty, the death penalty, won't prevent crime from happening ever again. That's just common sense.
According to the website that you, yourself referenced (www.deathpenaltyinfo.org), that is not true at all.
Number of executions since 1976:
White - 606
Black - 356
Number of people on death row (as of January 1, 2007):
White - 1,518
Black - 1,387
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thank you Chef
Picking on Senob again are ya?:1orglaugh
And you ,you know what you should do with your next banana don't ya?:thefinger
Ok now lets be serious and discuss the topic at hand.As a lifelong resident of New Jersey it is a great thing we have done being the first to abolish the death penalty IMO.Maybe it could be argued in a perfect world that the death penalty is approraite but in the real world it is undefensible.
1.First you should know that NJ has not executed anyone since 1963.
2.2nd is the clear fact that many have been put on death row who were innocent.Chef your own state of Illinois had to call a moratorium on it when it was revealed that the Chicago Police were routinely beating confessions out of blacks for murders they had not committed.Blacks are much more likely to get the penalty for similar types of convictions then whites.It goes on and on ,if your black and are convicted of killing a white you are more likely to get death sentence than if the victim was also another black.The bottom line it is applied very unjustly in the real world.
3.Here is a link I have put up before from something known as the "Innocence project" which is a group of lawyers who using DNA have gotten many many innocents off of death row.But those are just the ones lucky enough to be still alive and have DNA available.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/
4.Go ahead compare murder rates in NJ to places like Texas where the death penalty is used you will find ours is much lower.
5.The death penalty does cost more than life imprisonment,and only if you are willing to have an even more un-just system could that be changed.
So as I said I think the Death penalty is indefensible.And only someone IMO who is eithier un-informed or uncaring about the unjust way it is applied to minorities and the poor could support it.
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I love it ! . . So long as it can be discussed with cool heads and free of rancor.
There's so much to be discussed within this topic, so many intricacies.
My reservations include -
• It is of greatest importance how a Jury of Peers is selected. How can this be better accomplished ? I've seen many a case where a selected jury does not or did not represent a "Jury of Peer(s)".
This needs to be clear cut with a sharper definition, IMO.
• Also, how forensic / DNA evidence is used. i.e. - should not the defense have equal representation to refute internal scientific revelation(s) where applicable ? I don't see why not ! This could get reeealy pricey !
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I believe that the Death Penalty is somewhat of a deterrent.
If one has a clear understanding of how gangs operate within the prison system, it is only then could one have full understanding what I am getting at. The hierarchy, the esteem, the vigor with which prison / street gangs operate is absolutely fascinating ! It's a science within itself. They Don't Want To Die !
It is amazing how some of these guys "run the streets" from within the institution. :eek:
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That adds up to about 40% black candidates
(while there are only 16 % Blacks in the overall US population)
If you're black and poor and have murdered people why is it a bad thing?
As compared to who ?
Just who has what tendencies?
And you only partially used my original sentence of "5.The death penalty does cost more than life imprisonment,and only if you are willing to have an even more un-just system could that be changed."
And then stated that it costs more because of political hogwash,please explain.And are you willing to have a more un-just system?
What about the Black and poor and innocents who have been sentenced to die as I have demonstrated in my earlier post.In several threads about this subject I have asked someone to explain how they think it is that someone who is not just innocent beyond a reasonable doubt but proved to be completely innocent ever get convicted and sentenced to death.I think I know the answer but am anxiously awaiting defenders of the death penalty to explain it.
What about the black and poor guilties?
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