Deepcover
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I'll agree to that.
Mr Marcus Patient Zero in Syphilis Outbreak
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I'll agree to that.
Deepcover
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You're just as bad as Geraldo Rivera. Give me a break.
Now this is actually a good question, and I think really gets to the heart of the matter and here's you answer:
Because, techincally speaking, if left un-treated for an extended period, which never happens in this day and age, syphilis can be very serious or "fatal", so the Industry disclosure requirement is held to a higher standard like HIV..
So since they HAVE to disclose it to the media unlike most other STD's that actors get everyday, they need a scapegoat..any easy target to pin the whole situation on...So if you can say a black male is responsible, then immediately people will emotionally pile on from a racial perspective... a black man takes the blame for his "typical criminal behavior" and the overall industry can preserve a false image of reputability and legal compliance..
And so that's my point exactly...Herpes in incurable, whereas if you've been infected with syphilis for less than a year, a single dose of penicillin is usually enough to destroy the infection. For those allergic to penicillin, tetracycline or doxycycline can be given instead. If you are in a later stage of disease, more doses will be needed. But it is still very curable
So why doesn't the article discuss the majority of actors that currently have Herpes or other STD's, but work having unprotected sex everyday...or the frequency of actors faking tests...or the industry that doesn't follow condom laws meant to help protect actor's from STD's ?
Why single Mracus out ?, esp, when others in this thread who work with talent in the industry everyday have said that Marcus probably isn't even patient zero in the first place...Because telling the truth about the REAL STD problem doesn't fit their (Porn Industry's) objectives...they just needed a pawn... somebody who they knew would take the fall, and keep his mouth shut about the real truth..and Marcus was the perfect target.
ApolloBalboa
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Marcus was the "perfect target", as you say, because he was caught falsifying his test. The fact that he's black and people can say it's his "typical criminal behavior" has nothing to do with anything.
LOL go back and re-read again...they don't even test for Herpes which is one of the most serious STD's there is,,,and actors work with it everyday having unprotected sex...
ApolloBalboa
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I'm sorry, I guess I missed the part where you kept mentioning "and other STDs", and I've yet to see anyone else in this thread who claims to work with talent in the industry (besides you, but we're not even counting you because it's only one of a number of things you claim to have expertise in, and you're full of it) that has said that Marcus isn't the start of the spread in the States.
ApolloBalboa
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I see a possibility and a stating of the obvious, but nothing past that.
eric2136 can you please state the POINT that you are trying to make here? i feel that you've lost your course and are now just arguing in circles with no bearing. what is your goal in this pursuit? just a simple thesis statement, if you will. please no quotes, or links, or references just your words, short and sweet. thank you.
So you're saying syphilis could be considered more dangerous than say...Herpes?
You just said syphilis is held to a higher standard like HIV...the FACTS are Mr Marcus had (or has) syphilis. They couldn't blame "a black man" for his "typical criminal behaviour" if he DIDN'T have it, but he DID. He even "came forward" and apologised. As for the other STDs (as you claim) fine, but the industry had nothing to do with Mr Marcus contracting syphilis as far as I know...
Also as for blaming the "black man" what about Derrick Burts or Marc Wallace? None of these were black.
But most have herpes (apparently)...also they seem to not be bothered so much with it and much more concerned with syphilis, Rocco even stated some sex workers in Europe also have syphilis (strangely none were named).
If other tests were faked, then they'd be more cases of what we have here, but there aren't. (Apparently) They don't test for Herpes so one would not need to fake a test for that...so what other STDs are they faking their tests for?
As for condom laws...well, where are the prosecutions?
That is rather superfluous...that fact is HE has syphilis and is equally responsible regardless.
But anybody can speak out about the industry, the industry doesn't have the power of mind control...why would somebody keep their mouth shut? After all, it's THEIR health on the line...
No herpes is permanent thus more dangerous which is my point...but because syphilis is potentially fatal if not treated.. the disclosure requirements regarding it are more stringent, although as i said, in this day and age it is easily curable
They didn't write the article about Marcus because he had syphilis, they wrote the article because they said he was patient zero in the outbreak,,,which is totally different and unsubstantiated AND refuted by others in this thread...
Those guys had HIV...syphilis is techically dangerous, but in reality it's easliy treatable and realtively minor...those other guys you mentioned had HIV which is permanent and also potentially fatal ,and overall much more dangerous, regardless of treatment..
The point is that there are STD's worse than syphillis including Herpes ...so why only single out Marcus if you know herpes is being spread around every day and you as an industry are doing nothing to stop it..
that's my point...porn companies intentionally and knowingly break the law everyday and they aren't held responsible
LOL Wether or not Marcus is patient Zero is Superfulous !!?...Marcus being patient zero is the title of this thread and the whole point of this thread...he's accused of spreading syphilis, the other people who got it were considered victims and not named or blamed for anything
Moreover many articles depict Marcus as patient zero of an "STD" outbreak ...as if no other STD's exist in the industry other than what he had , which is a complete and total bold-faced lie...and the industry knows it but, they aren't interested in telling the truth...but rather focussing on one black man that is an easy target and that they can make to look guilty...when there is a totally un-realted overall STD epidemic in the porn industry...
Fear an intimidation.. but most importantly because if they speak out they could get black-listed and not get work.
Deepcover
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Holy shit. I'm just shocked...totally shocked by all this because it makes sense. Marcus as an easy target since the scandal hit while at the same time the industry is breaking laws and getting away with petty shit like that? I'm at a complete and totally shock right now. This will definitely raise serious questions. This is unprecedented.
larss
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His tests showed that he was not cured. It is as simple as that. Why bother with the test at all if you are just going to ignore the results. In any illness, some people will take longer to cure than others.
Are you kidding me! Knowingly harming someone else by any means is illegal.
So now it is the WHOLE industry! Most probably do have Herpes - The scientific reality is that most people are asymptomatic, the virus causes no real health problems for a vast majority of people, and a vast majority (around 90%) of the Earth's population carries HSV-1, 2, or both
Testing for Herpes would be a total waste of time.
According to some people who have retired and have an anti-porn agenda. You are just making up facts.
Because, of course, you know everybody in the industry and have caught every one of them in a lie. Seriously, stop making up facts to suit your own arguments.
See above
See above, but just in case you missed it or cannot find it again.
The scientific reality is that most people are asymptomatic, the virus causes no real health problems for a vast majority of people, and a vast majority (around 90%) of the Earth's population carries HSV-1, 2, or both
I personally get cold sores on occasion, which means I am infected with Herpes. I have done since I was very young, probably passed on from my parents at some point. If I were to have oral sex when I was symptomatic, there would be a good chance of me passing on the virus as an STD, however, I would not knowingly infect someone else. The chances are, however, that that person has already has Herpes give that around 90% of the Earth's population carries HSV-1, 2, or both
You've answered one of your own questions here. Most performers (apparently) have herpes...so this isn't news, however none had syphilis, which is potentially fatal (as in it needs to be treated more seriously than Herpes).
Who else refuted this (other than Deepcover) and where is the proof that he isn't?
Because many people would be out of the job. Also as you mentioned earlier Syphilis is potentially fatal...
But, what is your point? They aren't held responsible so...
I meant, whether Mr Marcus is THE patient zero is superfluous because the PERCEPTION is that he is. The truth doesn't matter here, the perception does.
You mentioned articles in which Rocco and Bellandonna stated Herpes is not uncommon in the industry...anyone can read these if they want. Also not mentioning something can hardly be considered lying.
Fear of what? And what kind of intimidation? Also, if I was recently employed to the industry and somehow narrowly escaped Herpes and Syphilis the last thing I'd worry about is getting blacklisted and not getting any work...in fact being blacklisted would be a blessing.
I understand your sentiments (as I stated several times people get what they deserve), but why do you care so much...If Mr Marcus is used as a pawn that's his problem (for getting involved in such an industry). If people want to get involved in an industry that has them fucking strangers on camera several times a week...relying on a piece of paper for safety rather than rubber...then they've accepted the risks.
Most people on this forum don't give a shit...they don't know these people personally they just want to jack off.
1) Larss ...The majority of people do NOT have genital herpes..for you to even suggest that is ridiculous.......16 or 17% of the overall poplulation, AT BEST may have it. http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/10/genital.herpes/index.html
Genital herpes is an extremely SERIOUS STD and you get it for life... and it effects most if not ALL sex workers according to Sharon Mitchell, who has it herself, and who founded the now defunct AIMS...I have posted videos in which Derrick Burts expressly discusses his experiences with Herpes and how he was TOLD to keep working and to keep having unprotected sex, eventhough he had an extremely serious STD.
alpino798: "Did you ever get any STDs while doing porno?
Sharon Mitchell: "Oh yeah. I have gotten herpes, a bout of chlamydia here and there. I also contracted hepatitis from the drug addiction and a case of trichomoniasis. This is standard when you have sex for a living, by the way."
So, someone who is well placed to know tells us that TWO THIRDS of adult film actors have genital herpes.
Quite a lot!
...An article from the UK’s Guardian newspaper in March 2001, entitled “A Rough Trade”, included an interview with Chloe, a porn star: "I have herpes," said Chloe as she drove me to a smoker-friendly bar. "After you've been in this business for a while, you have herpes. Everyone has herpes. On the set sometimes you'll say to a guy, 'What's this?' And he'll say, 'What? That? It's a f**k sore.' And it may well be a f**k sore, what with all the traffic. But it's more likely to be a herpes sore, and that guy shouldn't be working.
http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/sh...erpes-and-pornography-the-hidden-side-of-porn.
2) I've already posted SEVERAL videos of porn workers that said themselves they caught numerous STD's while in the business including, but not limited to herpes..STD's in the industry is pervasive and at an epidemic proportion according to people that work in the industry.
3) Your comments about syphillis don't make any sense...Genital herpes is a serious permanent disease while syphillis is easily curable.. I'm not going to debate this again unless I feel that you at least have a grasp and comprehend that underlying fundamental premise.
4) Many people have caught HIV in the industry and have been kept anonymous...there have been at least TWENTY-TWO cases of HIV from 2004 up to 2009 and beyond, the majority of names whom have never been disclosed...So therefore accusing Marcus of being patient zero of relatively minor syphillis in the media (with absolutely NO evidence) is slanderous and if his career is adversley effected in any way he should sue the testing agency, the porn company, the writers of the article, and anybody else he can think of .... See also post #221 this thread for other statements that Marcus was NOT patient zero...and whether or not he faked a test has absolutely NO bearing on this central point ...
5) Violating condom laws is of utmost importance... Porn companies break the law every day. The purpose of the law is
to help stop the spread of STD's and there are at least FIFTEEN new cases of STD's EVERY WEEK in the industry.http://abcnews.go.com/Health/la-health-officials-confirm-porn-hiv-cases/story?id=7824092
....believe it or not, many employers in the adult film industry make few efforts to stem the rise of STDs amongst their “workers”.
They argue that condoms “spoil the fantasy”. And that’s why a typical contract signed by an actor might say, for example, that the production company is not responsible, and will pay no medical costs, for "sexually transmitted diseases . . . . such as acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS), herpes, hepatitis and other related diseases."
Nice, huh?
http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/sh...erpes-and-pornography-the-hidden-side-of-porn
6) 24 Grams you asked why I care so much...because I don't like to see weaker people get bullied or pushed around...esp. not black people, because I'm black.
This Marcus situation is suspect to me...there are too many people in the industry catching STD's, and too many companies breaking the law for this much attention to be paid to one person like he's the only one doing anything illegal...I think he's getting the shaft BIG TIME and if he suffers financially, or otherwise, because of these unfounded "patient zero" allegations, then he should sue the fuck out of everybody involved .
Genital herpes is an extremely SERIOUS STD and you get it for life... and it effects most if not ALL sex workers according to Sharon Mitchell, who has it herself, and who founded the now defunct AIMS...I have posted videos in which Derrick Burts expressly discusses his experiences with Herpes and how he was TOLD to keep working and to keep having unprotected sex, eventhough he had an extremely serious STD.
alpino798: "Did you ever get any STDs while doing porno?
Sharon Mitchell: "Oh yeah. I have gotten herpes, a bout of chlamydia here and there. I also contracted hepatitis from the drug addiction and a case of trichomoniasis. This is standard when you have sex for a living, by the way."
So, someone who is well placed to know tells us that TWO THIRDS of adult film actors have genital herpes.
Quite a lot!
...An article from the UK’s Guardian newspaper in March 2001, entitled “A Rough Trade”, included an interview with Chloe, a porn star: "I have herpes," said Chloe as she drove me to a smoker-friendly bar. "After you've been in this business for a while, you have herpes. Everyone has herpes. On the set sometimes you'll say to a guy, 'What's this?' And he'll say, 'What? That? It's a f**k sore.' And it may well be a f**k sore, what with all the traffic. But it's more likely to be a herpes sore, and that guy shouldn't be working.
http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/sh...erpes-and-pornography-the-hidden-side-of-porn.
2) I've already posted SEVERAL videos of porn workers that said themselves they caught numerous STD's while in the business including, but not limited to herpes..STD's in the industry is pervasive and at an epidemic proportion according to people that work in the industry.
3) Your comments about syphillis don't make any sense...Genital herpes is a serious permanent disease while syphillis is easily curable.. I'm not going to debate this again unless I feel that you at least have a grasp and comprehend that underlying fundamental premise.
4) Many people have caught HIV in the industry and have been kept anonymous...there have been at least TWENTY-TWO cases of HIV from 2004 up to 2009 and beyond, the majority of names whom have never been disclosed...So therefore accusing Marcus of being patient zero of relatively minor syphillis in the media (with absolutely NO evidence) is slanderous and if his career is adversley effected in any way he should sue the testing agency, the porn company, the writers of the article, and anybody else he can think of .... See also post #221 this thread for other statements that Marcus was NOT patient zero...and whether or not he faked a test has absolutely NO bearing on this central point ...
5) Violating condom laws is of utmost importance... Porn companies break the law every day. The purpose of the law is
to help stop the spread of STD's and there are at least FIFTEEN new cases of STD's EVERY WEEK in the industry.http://abcnews.go.com/Health/la-health-officials-confirm-porn-hiv-cases/story?id=7824092
....believe it or not, many employers in the adult film industry make few efforts to stem the rise of STDs amongst their “workers”.
They argue that condoms “spoil the fantasy”. And that’s why a typical contract signed by an actor might say, for example, that the production company is not responsible, and will pay no medical costs, for "sexually transmitted diseases . . . . such as acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS), herpes, hepatitis and other related diseases."
Nice, huh?
http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/sh...erpes-and-pornography-the-hidden-side-of-porn
6) 24 Grams you asked why I care so much...because I don't like to see weaker people get bullied or pushed around...esp. not black people, because I'm black.
This Marcus situation is suspect to me...there are too many people in the industry catching STD's, and too many companies breaking the law for this much attention to be paid to one person like he's the only one doing anything illegal...I think he's getting the shaft BIG TIME and if he suffers financially, or otherwise, because of these unfounded "patient zero" allegations, then he should sue the fuck out of everybody involved .
Deepcover
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I'm 100% with you on that.
Eric,
Makes some good points on on thissituation. And I have seen video from Marcus's shoot with Lylith Lavey for Bangbros. Anybody could tell he had something, but she did refuse to shoot with him that day That is very stilling in my opinion.
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