Most Republicans believe the U.S. Health Care System is the Best in the World

[jasonk282]

Yes, socialism is only good for you if you're a civil servant, a politician, a firefighter, a law enforcement officer or a member of the military industrial complex.

Socialism is bad for you if you are not a civil servant but please keep paying taxes so government employees in the military, government and law enforcement can have socialized benefits that are bad for you.

Military has the WORST in the world, just like Dos says, it's a pain in the ass and a ton of red tape just to get looked at by a doctor. I did not know I was a member of the Military industrial complex, I though I was in the US Army.

 

[D-rock]

The U.S. health care system is indeed the best in the world...with a huge gigantic colossal qualifier. The U.S. health care system is the best IF you have a lot of money. Everybody else is screwed. (Of course almost everyplace is good if you have a lot of moeny so even that's not saying anything.)

 

[Flapster]

I don't quite get how socialism is used as a dirty work.

I'm not pro socialism, but if you don't use it a bit then the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
but I'm can see the faults with Capitalism, Socialism, Communism etc, etc.
Most of them have their bad and their good points.they just get abused by the people in power.
It seems like socialism is programmed into the psyche of Americans as a bad thing. and ask yourselves who's doing the programming.

 

[marquis2]

I don't quite get how socialism is used as a dirty work.

I'm not pro socialism, but if you don't use it a bit then the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
but I'm can see the faults with Capitalism, Socialism, Communism etc, etc.
Most of them have their bad and their good points.they just get abused by the people in power.
It seems like socialism is programmed into the psyche of Americans as a bad thing. and ask yourselves who's doing the programming.

Exactly.
Socialism is a poor way of running an economy-ask the USSR about that-but it's a useful counterbalance to the excesses of capitalism.Let capitalism be the engine providing the wealth but keep it in check as it doesn't care about you or me.If it's more profitable to export your job to China you will end up on the scrapheap.

People will have to change their mind set regarding healthcare , some deep rooted and cherished beliefs will be found to be groundless.If socialistic medicine offers the best solution then go for it.It works in Europe which has a higher population than the US.

 

[jasonk282]

Exactly.
Socialism is a poor way of running an economy-ask the USSR about that-but it's a useful counterbalance to the excesses of capitalism.Let capitalism be the engine providing the wealth but keep it in check as it doesn't care about you or me.If it's more profitable to export your job to China you will end up on the scrapheap.

People will have to change their mind set regarding healthcare , some deep rooted and cherished beliefs will be found to be groundless.If socialistic medicine offers the best solution then go for it.It works in Europe which has a higher population than the US.

Europe is a Continent, America is one country on the North America Contentient, so you Europe would have a high population that America

 

[CunningStunts]

I don't quite get how socialism is used as a dirty work.

I'm not pro socialism, but if you don't use it a bit then the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
but I'm can see the faults with Capitalism, Socialism, Communism etc, etc.
Most of them have their bad and their good points.they just get abused by the people in power.
It seems like socialism is programmed into the psyche of Americans as a bad thing. and ask yourselves who's doing the programming.

For me, the "programming" is a seldom-read document called the US Constitution. It does NOT provide for a "nanny state" to take care of everyone. The men that wrote it knew without a doubt what that road leads to... America is supposed to be free, and that means a LIMITED Federal government that exists ONLY to ensure we have freedom within reasonable limits to live our lives the way we wish. In my estimation, it's already growing out of control and this will be one more nail in the coffin of liberty.

Remember, a government big enough to give you everything you ask for is also big enough to take it all away.

If people feel strongly about things like ensuring poor people, that's great and I applaud the sentiment. So get together and set up another Red Cross type organization to run it, raise money through donations, and help people directly (which is more efficient BTW). But FORCING the masses to pay for charity is immoral and wrong.

What right does ANYONE have to force me to pay for things that I don't agree with, want, nor will ever use? How much do I already pay for these things for which I have NO say in how it's spent? How many more vast Federal bureaucracies must we create until we realize they now control every aspect of our lives, are bankrupting our country, and BTW these federal employees can never be fired and are as a lot the "C" students of society who now make more than the vast majority who PAY for their salaries and benefits?

Keep feeding the beast... and it WILL eventually eat you.

 

[marquis2]

For me, the "programming" is a seldom-read document called the US Constitution. It does NOT provide for a "nanny state" to take care of everyone. The men that wrote it knew without a doubt what that road leads to... America is supposed to be free, and that means a LIMITED Federal government that exists ONLY to ensure we have freedom within reasonable limits to live our lives the way we wish. In my estimation, it's already growing out of control and this will be one more nail in the coffin of liberty.

Remember, a government big enough to give you everything you ask for is also big enough to take it all away.

If people feel strongly about things like ensuring poor people, that's great and I applaud the sentiment. So get together and set up another Red Cross type organization to run it, raise money through donations, and help people directly (which is more efficient BTW). But FORCING the masses to pay for charity is immoral and wrong.

What right does ANYONE have to force me to pay for things that I don't agree with, want, nor will ever use? How much do I already pay for these things for which I have NO say in how it's spent? How many more vast Federal bureaucracies must we create until we realize they now control every aspect of our lives, are bankrupting our country, and BTW these federal employees can never be fired and are as a lot the "C" students of society who now make more than the vast majority who PAY for their salaries and benefits?

Keep feeding the beast... and it WILL eventually eat you.

This is nonsense on many levels.The Constitution was written at a time when things like nanny states weren't even thought of (and national incomes would have rendered such ideas impossible anyway, there wasn't enough to go round) and neither did the Constitution preclude public health care.
What sort of freedom do you have if you or your family is stricken by illness or disability?And if you take out insurance hasn't it dawned on you that a lot of your premium is being used to line other peoples' pockets?

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

no, that isn't the truth.
health care elsewhere is just as good. and a lot more available to a lot more people (not even touching on illegal immigrants, how about low income folks?).

while i have no intention to criticize, i would like to say these things, which are true IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE AND OBSERVATION (disregard them if you'd like):
1. U.S. citizens would rather pay less taxes, have the money in their pockets, and pay that same money for their own health care, thinking it gives them a choice. In fact, they have less choice about which doctor they may see, what happens with elective surgery, and they get through waiting periods slower than every system with socialised medicare THAT I HAVE ENCOUNTERED.
2. there is a tremendous fear of the word "socialised" or anything related. socialised medical coverage is the same as turning the country over to Stalin or Mussolini, in most people's (absolutely uniformed, uneducated, and incorrect) opinion.
3. the cost of malpractice insurance for American doctors is a direct result of American culture. Suck it up, you caused it. Now deal with it, and reform health care. I don't care what that reform looks like, but you can't possibly think this fucking crap is the best in the world? if you do, I hope you never get really sick, and depend on your policy to cover things.
4. this whole debate makes me sad. Are you really so hateful and malevolent that you think anyone in your country (like illegal immigrants and the poor, for example) should suffer and die with no health care available to them? Try becoming unemployed, injured, or elderly, and see if that reforms your position on health care.


this is my own opinion, not fact. flame away, i can't wait to go back to socialised medicine.



my my, i'm blathering this evening.

I don't really know what all this is about. Most of my family still lives in Europe and all of them carry private health insurance (because the plans their governments offer are not enough) except the ones who live in France.

 

[Facial_King]

Funny to see all these DC guys here against "Big Government".

I'm guessing that they're frequent guests of The Family's C Street House/Brothel.

 

[jasonk282]

I have no problem with people be taken care of, but set up a non-profit corp for it. I have a problem with the goverment forcing/mandating me to pay for things that I do not agree with.

Like I have a problem with the govermenting mandating that I have to buy their health insurance or pay a fine. So the goverment is going to fine me becasue I do not want their health insurance I am quite happy with the insurance that I have now.

Competition whether it be in business or sports is a good thing. Monopolies are ALWAYS bad as they can control what the masses pay for thier services, you don't think the goverment will do this or use our health care fines to line their pockets then your sadly naive.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Funny to see all these DC guys here against "Big Government".

I'm guessing that they're frequent guests of The Family's C Street House/Brothel.

And this tool says he doesn't stalk me. What a lunatic.

 

[don_equis]

Military has the WORST in the world, just like Dos says, it's a pain in the ass and a ton of red tape just to get looked at by a doctor. I did not know I was a member of the Military industrial complex, I though I was in the US Army.

U picked up in my sarcasms about "sick call" slip and seeing the 1st sgt so that u can go to sick call...:rofl:

 

[D-rock]

But FORCING the masses to pay for charity is immoral and wrong.

What right does ANYONE have to force me to pay for things that I don't agree with, want, nor will ever use? How much do I already pay for these things for which I have NO say in how it's spent? How many more vast Federal bureaucracies must we create until we realize they now control every aspect of our lives, are bankrupting our country, and BTW these federal employees can never be fired and are as a lot the "C" students of society who now make more than the vast majority who PAY for their salaries and benefits?

Keep feeding the beast... and it WILL eventually eat you.

So by your way of thinking things like public education, building roads, and having a local fire department are immoral and wrong? People pay for those all the time, and don't have a say in it. I don't see too much of a difference between things like that and something like universal public health care. There is a price for having a stable, ethical, moral, and fair civilization. Taxes and even paying for things that might not benefit you directly is one of those. Is it that hard to admit that despite wishing the opposite is true that in some instances that things are so complex and large, (not to mention very vitally important) a situation that only the government can adequately set up measures to control it and have it be stable and reasonably fair to everybody? When this country was founded modern medicine didn't even exist to give to people, there wasn't much of a "global economy" to speak of, and large multinational corporations didn't exist and where nowhere like what they are now. Let you seem to have no problem glossing over those facts.

Not to mention there is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that says we can't have socialism if it's in the best interest of our country. Your basing your decision on a set of conditions that didn't even exist when people first came out with your philosophy, assuming they would continue to think that way, and sticking to an ideology not because it's a superior one or in the best interest of the community, society or the nation, but because it's the status quo (some people out there are also just rationalizing selfishness).

 

[CunningStunts]

So by your way of thinking things like public education, building roads, and having a local fire department are immoral and wrong? People pay for those all the time, and don't have a say in it. I don't see too much of a difference between things like that and something like universal public health care. There is a price for having a stable, ethical, moral, and fair civilization. Taxes and even paying for things that might not benefit you directly is one of those. Is it that hard to admit that despite wishing the opposite is true that in some instances that things are so complex and large, (not to mention very vitally important) a situation that only the government can adequately set up measures to control it and have it be stable and reasonably fair to everybody? When this country was founded modern medicine didn't even exist to give to people, there wasn't much of a "global economy" to speak of, and large multinational corporations didn't exist and where nowhere like what they are now. Let you seem to have no problem glossing over those facts.

Not to mention there is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that says we can't have socialism if it's in the best interest of our country. Your basing your decision on a set of conditions that didn't even exist when people first came out with your philosophy, assuming they would continue to think that way, and sticking to an ideology not because it's a superior one or in the best interest of the community, society or the nation, but because it's the status quo (some people out there are also just rationalizing selfishness).

No, those things you mentioned are called "collective goods."

My God, no offense but I bet a lot of people posting in this thread have never studied political theory/science, studied the history of government, or have read the Constitution. It's like playing cards with my sisters kids...

The guys who wrote the Constitution were smarter than all of us combined, and they KNEW from history than anything other than a very limited central government will eventually turn into disaster for the freedom of it's citizens. So go on, keep begging your government for "free shit" and see what you have left.. oh wait, we are already in debt $12 TRILLION and counting and rapidly becoming a second rate power. How's that workin out for ya?

 

[Facetious]

I just want to know where I sign up for the same lifetime "medical option" as the politicians and their immediate families.... I can't ? !! Why the hell not ?



....Back to playing poker with my nieces. :1orglaugh

 

[DJCowboy]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041b5acaf5/protect-insurance-companies-psa

Pretty funny

 

[Friday on my mind]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041b5acaf5/protect-insurance-companies-psa

Pretty funny

VERY funny .:thumbsup::1orglaugh

Bet the death panel one is worth watching as well.

 

[jasonk282]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041b5acaf5/protect-insurance-companies-psa

Pretty funny

Bout damn time celebs got it right, oh wait they are just bowing down to Obama just like they did in his presidential election campagins.

but funny nonetheless, death panel gotta be funny too

 

[ballzano]

wait till the end. it say's moveon.org is responsible. bias?

 

[jasonk282]

wait till the end. it say's moveon.org is responsible. bias?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Never Democrats are beyone being Bias.