Military Industrial Complex

[Johan]

The u2 incident was when ike was president and I think 2 incidents you mention might not have happened if the usa / ussr relations were friendlier as a result of the visit to Russia scrubbed due to u2 incident. Even kennedy had a back channel peace thingy going with kruschev.

You cant base your argument on things that migh/might not have happened. Because when your start using "might", you're changing the course of History and then no ones knows how things could go on.

You're from France. You don't even know the difference between a leftist and a centrist.

You're from the US, you don't know the difference between Center-Right and Far Left.

The only president Trump might surpass is Nixon

 

[xfire]

The only president Trump might surpass is Nixon

Nixon for corruption and George W. Bush for stupidity.

 

[Jack Davenport]

You cant base your argument on things that migh/might not have happened. Because when your start using "might", you're changing the course of History and then no ones knows how things could go on.

You're from the US, you don't know the difference between Center-Right and Far Left.

The only president Trump might surpass is Nixon

You think Bernie Sanders is Center-Right AND he is an Independent!

So Center-Right he can't be a Democrat. :1orglaugh

You may be on to something, if the loony left keep up their unhinged attacks on Trump, his landslidesde victory in 2020 may make Nixon's landslide over McGovern look like a nail biter.

 

[Johan]

I don't think I ever said Bernie Sanders is center-right (but if you can prove I said so, I would admit my mistake).
Hillary and Obama are Center-Right ; Bernie is Center-Left

Anyone who's registed to the democratic party is a democrat. Being a democrat is not stating where your are on the political spectrum because the democratic party encompases politicians with very different political ideas. Same goes for the Republican party.
Think about it : Apart from being registered republicans, what does Donald Trump, Lindsey Graham Jeb Bush and Rand Paul have in common ? Almost nothing.

You may be on to something, if the loony left keep up their unhinged attacks on Trump, his landslidesde victory in 2020 may make Nixon's landslide over McGovern look like a nail biter.

Seems like Democrats aren't the only one who did not learned the lessons from Trump's victory : For 4 years democrats annd liberals claimed the 2016 election was already won, that nothing would stop Hillary from being elected, that the GOP was a mess and that they had no one that could beat Hillary. And, on November 8th, we had the ruddest awakening we have had in a very long time.
So go on, persuade yourself that the 2020 election is already won, that no one in the Democratic party can beat Trump, that it's gonna be a Trump landslide. Please, do the very same mistake we did.


Recent History proved that when people start to predict a "landslide" victory, it's not really a good sign for the candidate...

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[Jack Davenport]

I don't think I ever said Bernie Sanders is center-right (but if you can prove I said so, I would admit my mistake).
Hillary and Obama are Center-Right ; Bernie is Center-Left

Anyone who's registed to the democratic party is a democrat. Being a democrat is not stating where your are on the political spectrum because the democratic party encompases politicians with very different political ideas. Same goes for the Republican party.
Think about it : Apart from being registered republicans, what does Donald Trump, Lindsey Graham Jeb Bush and Rand Paul have in common ? Almost nothing.


Seems like Democrats aren't the only one who did not learned the lessons from Trump's victory : For 4 years democrats annd liberals claimed the 2016 election was already won, that nothing would stop Hillary from being elected, that the GOP was a mess and that they had no one that could beat Hillary. And, on November 8th, we had the ruddest awakening we have had in a very long time.
So go on, persuade yourself that the 2020 election is already won, that no one in the Democratic party can beat Trump, that it's gonna be a Trump landslide. Please, do the very same mistake we did.


Recent History proved that when people start to predict a "landslide" victory, it's not really a good sign for the candidate...

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Yeah, you should heed your own warning. You predicted she was invincible.

Anyway, you'll see the Democrats tone the attacks on Trump down , if they don't and don't present a message, 2020 will be an ugly election for them. 2018 notwithstanding.

 

[Johan]

Nope, I didn't say she was invincible.

In fact, I've been one of those who warned not to call the election before Nov. 8th. I said I did not thought could win but I also said elections are decided on election day by the voters, not before that by the medias.

I voted for the first time in May 2002, for the 2002 french presidential election. all the mdias and allaz the polls predicted socialist candidate Lionel Jospin would come on top on the 1st round, closely followed by Center-Right incumbent Jacques Chirac.
On election day, Chirac came on top and Lepen was second. Jospin did not made it to the 2nd round. Everyone was in shock. My ***, who had been votinf for the socialist on every election, cried when se saw that.
So believe me if there's one guy on this board who will never call an election before election day, that's me.

I surely said Trump's chances to win were extremely tight but I never said Hillary was invincible. 'cause early in the campaign she appeared to be very fragile. I remember some Premium Link Upgrade

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Eisenhower was the greatest post-1945 president. None of those who came after even compare to him.

And allowed the Dulles brothers to run amok.

 

[Jack Davenport]

And allowed the Dulles brothers to run amok.

 

[bodie54]

Iran will send us a friendly reminder in about 10 years.

I kinda doubt I'll still be around by then, but if I am I feel it only sporting to offer a wager on that
I'll even give you ten to one odds. $10,000 to you if you're right. $1,000 to me if you're not.

 

[gumbosoup]

The Trillion-Dollar Military Budget
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The military–industrial complex (MIC) is an informal alliance between a nation's military and the arms industry which supplies it, seen together as a vested interest which influences public policy. A driving factor behind this relationship between the government and defense-minded corporations is that both sides benefit—one side from obtaining war weapons, and the other from being paid to supply them. The term is most often used in reference to the system behind the military of the United States, where it is most prevalent and gained popularity after its use in the farewell address of President Dwight D. Eisenhower on January 17, 1961. In 2011, the United States spent more (in absolute numbers) on its military than the next 13 nations combined.
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OF the two reports which is funnier- the one above or below !!!!

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[icytea]

A lot of good could have been done with all that money

 

[gumbosoup]

The U2 thing was nothing compared to the Bay of Pigs invasion or the Russian Missiles crisis, which both happened under Kennedy's watch.
I know liberals use to love Kennedy but I don't.
To make it simple, almost everything liberals like to credit Kennedy for is just the continuation of something Eisenhower had initiated (same goes for L. Johnson but no one ever pretended that Johnson was the best post-1945 president)

Eisenhower's legacy on infrastructures, healthcare, retirement or desegregation outshines by far the legacies of any of those who came after him.
Eisenhower is the one who set the foundations of what America was during the 60' and the 70'.

I never meant to criticize Eisenhower. He was a good president. The u2 sho0tdown was not his fault, its too bad it happened though.

 

[Johan]

The shotdown was not his fault but what happened after was : he tried to lie to russian authorities and the american people and caught red-handed and exposed by Krutchev. And even then, he refused to apology.
He should have apologized right from the start. By refusing and trying to cover things, he gave Krutchev an opportunity to make a fool of him.

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

I never meant to criticize Eisenhower. He was a good president. The u2 sho0tdown was not his fault, its too bad it happened though.

The U2 was not shot down it landed it the Soviet Union and was missing every single top secret component it had.
It was a first class set up from the word go.

 

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