Kil4Thril
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Precisely the answer I expected. :thumbsup:
u have no taste in music
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
here is a good timeline
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:Post-Island
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:Post-Island
Lost 1-21-09
Ok...did anybody see the season premeire?
It explained some things, i'am still watching it to catch things i missed before. It was pretty good.
Ok...did anybody see the season premeire?
It explained some things, i'am still watching it to catch things i missed before. It was pretty good.
StormRuller
Nikki Benz: Simply the best #1!!
I need to see it!!
As we’ve established, in Lost time there are two different time vectors,- the Island and the rest of the world. When we last left off it was 2004 in world time, and 2004X in Island time, where X equals the difference between the two times. (The difference seems to be relative, and possibly based on depature/arrival point, but the "standard" difference that seemed to effect ship and air go-between was -3 days.)
Six of the survivors got off of the Island, while the rest remained. Ben and Locke succeeded in “moving” the Island, which did not move it through space, but through time. For the Oceanic Six three years have passed since they left the Island, making it now 2007 for them.
We don’t know what the time difference is now between the Island and the world as it has shifted to a new time vector. When the O6 return to the Island will they find that three years have passed, or will it be like they never left? I have a suspicion that it will be the former, and that the new time differential is something like -3 years. It’s assumed that the connection point to synchronize the times still exists.
It seems apparent that the Island has traveled back in time because it is once again hidden from the world, it’s uncovering having been effectively reversed. This shift has now caused all of the Islands inhabitants to suffer from the Time Displacement Factor and the only way to reverse it is for them to be reunited with the one’s that left and establish them as Constants. As of right now we don’t know if this is only effecting the people, or if the entire Island is constantly shifting through time as well. It wouldn’t seem to make much sense that it would be, since returning it to the present or future post-discovery would not help it’s goal in changing time in the first place, which was to make it hidden again.
Because Locke does succeed in going back and forth between the Island, it’s evident that the island hasn’t changed it’s position in space. Whether or not that is merely a space travel and not a time travel, IE: 3 years have passed on the Island before he left, or he left soon after the TDF occurred and found himself three years in the future, has yet to be revealed.
Daniel is rethinking his theory about Consistency and chronology protection. The distinction may lie in the difference between body and mind travel. Because he has only experimented with mental time-travel (and perhaps this is what all the Islanders are experiencing, which would confirm that the Island itself is not unstuck in time or TDF) it may be that he incorrectly assumes that you can’t make changes, because his experience is limited- the mental cannot effect the physical. But to someone that has traveled in body, he can make physical changes.
He believes that person to be Desmond, who exists on a different time vector than everyone else. Because Desmond has time traveled, he is on one time vector that is separate from the one that the rest of the 06 are on, because they have not time traveled, but he is also on a different one than the island’s time, which has time traveled differently. What is interesting to point out is that there is another character that is on a 4th time vector, Benjamin Linus, who jumped ahead one year in time, so if Desmond can change the past, then perhaps he can too. That idea might be a very ominous one as we have seen the things that ben is willing to do to achieve his goals.
Six of the survivors got off of the Island, while the rest remained. Ben and Locke succeeded in “moving” the Island, which did not move it through space, but through time. For the Oceanic Six three years have passed since they left the Island, making it now 2007 for them.
We don’t know what the time difference is now between the Island and the world as it has shifted to a new time vector. When the O6 return to the Island will they find that three years have passed, or will it be like they never left? I have a suspicion that it will be the former, and that the new time differential is something like -3 years. It’s assumed that the connection point to synchronize the times still exists.
It seems apparent that the Island has traveled back in time because it is once again hidden from the world, it’s uncovering having been effectively reversed. This shift has now caused all of the Islands inhabitants to suffer from the Time Displacement Factor and the only way to reverse it is for them to be reunited with the one’s that left and establish them as Constants. As of right now we don’t know if this is only effecting the people, or if the entire Island is constantly shifting through time as well. It wouldn’t seem to make much sense that it would be, since returning it to the present or future post-discovery would not help it’s goal in changing time in the first place, which was to make it hidden again.
Because Locke does succeed in going back and forth between the Island, it’s evident that the island hasn’t changed it’s position in space. Whether or not that is merely a space travel and not a time travel, IE: 3 years have passed on the Island before he left, or he left soon after the TDF occurred and found himself three years in the future, has yet to be revealed.
Daniel is rethinking his theory about Consistency and chronology protection. The distinction may lie in the difference between body and mind travel. Because he has only experimented with mental time-travel (and perhaps this is what all the Islanders are experiencing, which would confirm that the Island itself is not unstuck in time or TDF) it may be that he incorrectly assumes that you can’t make changes, because his experience is limited- the mental cannot effect the physical. But to someone that has traveled in body, he can make physical changes.
He believes that person to be Desmond, who exists on a different time vector than everyone else. Because Desmond has time traveled, he is on one time vector that is separate from the one that the rest of the 06 are on, because they have not time traveled, but he is also on a different one than the island’s time, which has time traveled differently. What is interesting to point out is that there is another character that is on a 4th time vector, Benjamin Linus, who jumped ahead one year in time, so if Desmond can change the past, then perhaps he can too. That idea might be a very ominous one as we have seen the things that ben is willing to do to achieve his goals.
Given how the Island stuff has jumped right into sci-fi turf (sweet), I would have liked to have the off-island stuff more grounded in life drama, like it was last season, and shy away from the fantasy. This whole "let's assemble the A-team!" was a bit much for me. But I understand that they needed to get the ball rolling and throw alot together.
In the second part they toned it down just a bit and we had another episode that focused on the great dramatic acting of Jorge (Hurley), which is nice because it's a bit of a rarity. I liked that and it made me more comfortable. I know that a lot of people want to see action, but like I said, I hope that they slow it down just a little with the off Island stuff. I think the contrast could work out really welll.
In the second part they toned it down just a bit and we had another episode that focused on the great dramatic acting of Jorge (Hurley), which is nice because it's a bit of a rarity. I liked that and it made me more comfortable. I know that a lot of people want to see action, but like I said, I hope that they slow it down just a little with the off Island stuff. I think the contrast could work out really welll.
Good theory calpoon.
Like you said, time is a major factor to this show. I got a strange feeling the series finale is going to somehow link back to the pilot episode somehow causing a big loop.
Like you said, time is a major factor to this show. I got a strange feeling the series finale is going to somehow link back to the pilot episode somehow causing a big loop.
Yeah, a lot of people think that, the loop theory. It seems almost cliche to me and I really hope that they don't go that way. Personally, I don't really want to see a big twist ending. I would like to have the answers played out through the course of the storytelling, and then by the time the last episodes roll around we already know the secrets of the island and the characters and it just has a simple resolution where all the characters are saying goodbye and "our work here is done" or else all together and "look towards the future." that's how I'd like to see it end.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
I saw the first 2 episodes of season 5.
crazy how the woman from desmonds flashbacks showed back up and was with ben at the end of the episode.
I knew she was important.
It seems kate will be willing to come back now that they want a blood test from her.
I bet ben set that one up......sneeky, clever guy that he is.
i don't understand who the woman in the butcher shop is, I do no you don't cut boneless ribeyes with a cleaver though.
good questions from lostepedia
What is the nature of the Island's time shifting phenomenon?
Where/when did the Island go?
What is seen by people not jumping in time when someone in front of them does?
Why are Richard Alpert and the Others not affected by the time shifts?
Why is Juliet, a former member of the Others, affected?
Why does Daniel think the rules of time do not apply to Desmond?
Are the Flight 815 survivors who joined the Others affected or not? Why?
What does the Beechcraft's crash tell us about where the Island might have physically moved to?
Who built the frozen wheel and how did it end up buried under a wall of rocks?
How did Faraday get back in time and work as a DHARMA worker when the Orchid was being constructed?
Why does Richard tell Locke that in order for the Oceanic 6 to return to the island he has to die?
Why is Richards compass important enough to him that he gave it to Locke?
Who is Daniel's mother and why does Desmond need to find her?
Who hired Dan Norton?
Who are the men that are trying to capture Sayid and/or Hurley?
Why does Sayid instruct Hurley not to trust Ben when he spent the last years working for him?
Why was one armed with a proper gun and the other a tranquilliser gun?
Why doesn't Desmond remember Daniel Faraday?
Who is Jill from the Butcher Shop?
Ben asked Jill if Gabriel and Jeffrey had checked in yet. Who are they?
What is Ben's relationship with Ms. Hawking?
Who are the soldiers that attack Sawyer and Juliet?
Why do they claim it is "their" Island?
Who are the assailants that attacked the beach camp with flaming arrows?
What does Ms. Hawking expect to happen in 70 hours?
What was the item Ben removed from the air vent and put in his bag?
How does Ms. Hawking know when the Oceanic Six must/can return to the Island?
Why does Ben avoid Jack's question about Locke being dead and needing protection?
When the audience is told "they all must go back" why does this seemingly not include Walt?
man thats alot of questions to answer
crazy how the woman from desmonds flashbacks showed back up and was with ben at the end of the episode.
I knew she was important.
It seems kate will be willing to come back now that they want a blood test from her.
I bet ben set that one up......sneeky, clever guy that he is.
i don't understand who the woman in the butcher shop is, I do no you don't cut boneless ribeyes with a cleaver though.
good questions from lostepedia
What is the nature of the Island's time shifting phenomenon?
Where/when did the Island go?
What is seen by people not jumping in time when someone in front of them does?
Why are Richard Alpert and the Others not affected by the time shifts?
Why is Juliet, a former member of the Others, affected?
Why does Daniel think the rules of time do not apply to Desmond?
Are the Flight 815 survivors who joined the Others affected or not? Why?
What does the Beechcraft's crash tell us about where the Island might have physically moved to?
Who built the frozen wheel and how did it end up buried under a wall of rocks?
How did Faraday get back in time and work as a DHARMA worker when the Orchid was being constructed?
Why does Richard tell Locke that in order for the Oceanic 6 to return to the island he has to die?
Why is Richards compass important enough to him that he gave it to Locke?
Who is Daniel's mother and why does Desmond need to find her?
Who hired Dan Norton?
Who are the men that are trying to capture Sayid and/or Hurley?
Why does Sayid instruct Hurley not to trust Ben when he spent the last years working for him?
Why was one armed with a proper gun and the other a tranquilliser gun?
Why doesn't Desmond remember Daniel Faraday?
Who is Jill from the Butcher Shop?
Ben asked Jill if Gabriel and Jeffrey had checked in yet. Who are they?
What is Ben's relationship with Ms. Hawking?
Who are the soldiers that attack Sawyer and Juliet?
Why do they claim it is "their" Island?
Who are the assailants that attacked the beach camp with flaming arrows?
What does Ms. Hawking expect to happen in 70 hours?
What was the item Ben removed from the air vent and put in his bag?
How does Ms. Hawking know when the Oceanic Six must/can return to the Island?
Why does Ben avoid Jack's question about Locke being dead and needing protection?
When the audience is told "they all must go back" why does this seemingly not include Walt?
man thats alot of questions to answer
I'll try to answer some of these questions.
What is the nature of the Island's time shifting phenomenon?
Where/when did the Island go?
I think I already answered that one.
What is seen by people not jumping in time when someone in front of them does?
Well so far according to the show it is only possible for people who are exposed to the particle cluster at the center of the Island (underneath the Orchid station) or the time barrier (which may be projected form this mass, which was previously located a short way off the coast and now and having changed position IE: decreased as a result of the move, and now effects all of the people on the Island.). In short, there has not been a scenario on the island where a person was susceptible to time travel among others who were not.
When Eloise (Daniel's lab rat) and Desmond were experiencing time travel, it appeared to the observer as if the trip and return were instantaneous, save for a few seconds of disorientation. When Desi traveled he was gone anywhere from seconds to days, but to Sayid it just seemed like he was "zoning out" and he asked "are you paying attention?" and Desmond quickly regained his senses and responded.
Why are Richard Alpert and the Others not affected by the time shifts?
I think it is because they have previously or are time traveling themselves, so they are on a different time vector as the Survivors and are not subject to the same circumstances.
Why is Juliet, a former member of the Others, affected?
Because she is a person that was brought to the Island, and she is not one of the original Others, such as Alpert, who where there before the Dharma Initiative.
Why does Daniel think the rules of time do not apply to Desmond?
Allready addressed.
Are the Flight 815 survivors who joined the Others affected or not? Why?
So far we haven't seen any of the Others besides Alpert, so we can't say what state they are in. It would be assumed that yes, they would be effected just the same as the other Survivors. Or it could be that they are in a place (the temple) that shields them from the time displacement properties.
What does the Beechcraft's crash tell us about where the Island might have physically moved to?
It tells us that the Island didn't move at all, because the plane crashed while the Island was in it's original location, or at least the one that the Survivors experienced prior to "moving it". If it was in a different physical location, then the plane could not have crashed there, because it wouldn't have been there for the plane to crash into.
Who is Daniel's mother and why does Desmond need to find her?
People have speculated that Mrs. Hawking is Daniel's mother, and obviously she has some special relationship with time travel.
Who are the soldiers that attack Sawyer and Juliet?
Why do they claim it is "their" Island?
They are probably members of the original Others. They looked to be WWII era and it could have been around the time that the radio broadcast tower was built and recorded the Numbers. Remember that Hurley's friend in the mental hospital overheard the transmission of the Numbers during the Korean war, which would have been before the Dharma Initiative.
Who are the assailants that attacked the beach camp with flaming arrows?
My guess is ancient inhabitants of the Island, from the time of the Black Rock's arrival or maybe even before when the Foot statue was built.
What does Ms. Hawking expect to happen in 70 hours?
For the Survivors to suffer death by cerebral hemorage that is the result of anyone who experiences what i have called the Time Displacement Factor. As we have seen it previously happen to Eloise, members of the Freighter crew, briefly Desmond, and now it's happening to Charlotte.
Why does Ben avoid Jack's question about Locke being dead and needing protection?
I'm not positive, but I think that it has to do with there being "two" Locke's from different times, one of them dead and the other one alive, as in the case of the rabbits and the Freighter doctor. And if it is indeed possible to change time, you can have him die in one time vector and saved from death to still live in another. Which is what i always predicted would happen after we first found out he was dead.
When the audience is told "they all must go back" why does this seemingly not include Walt?
My guess is because he wasn't on the Island when the Swan station imploded releasing the electro-magnetism. That is the only time travel connected phenomenon that he was excluded from compared to everyone else.
meesterperfect
Hiliary 2020
they are some really good answers and i really can't think of any better ones.
i assumed the flaming arrows were from ancient people, but i didn't think the island "moved" in between the aroow people and the british soldiers that locke took care of.
and that walt answer was excellent.
you got some rep coming.
:thumbsup:
well ya know, I don't really know the answers to any of those question. Only JJ and Damon do. But that's just what I think could be.
as far as the presumed difference between the archers and the "soldiers", you might be right. It just seemed odd to me that they would go so low tech and from a hidden position (the "torch trick" was something that the Others did in season two, that just now occurs to me. so maybe there's something there), whereas the other guys with the guns didn't seem shy about jumping right and checking out what was going on. I'm not sure if we are ever going to revisit or get more in depth views of these scenes, they might have just been a tease to simply establish that they are rapidly jumping through time.
Most likely the jumps are going to slow down though, if we are to receive more information about the Islands history, which is seems apparent that is what they want to do.
as far as the presumed difference between the archers and the "soldiers", you might be right. It just seemed odd to me that they would go so low tech and from a hidden position (the "torch trick" was something that the Others did in season two, that just now occurs to me. so maybe there's something there), whereas the other guys with the guns didn't seem shy about jumping right and checking out what was going on. I'm not sure if we are ever going to revisit or get more in depth views of these scenes, they might have just been a tease to simply establish that they are rapidly jumping through time.
Most likely the jumps are going to slow down though, if we are to receive more information about the Islands history, which is seems apparent that is what they want to do.
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