Little Red Wagon Repairman
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As much as I can't stand Hillary I still can't bring myself to vote for Trump. I wonder how the turnout will be with these two douchebags running against each other.
Likelihood that you'll vote for Donald Trump to become next US President
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Supafly
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Somehow all his very constant talk about how he wants to possibly kill journalists, that he misses the good old days where hecklers were carried out on a stretcher, his nazi pledges, all of this is getting forgotten.
As much as a crony and corrupt as Clinton may be (and probably is) - the overall damage to your country would be traumatic should Trump win.
The only comfort comes from Dr. Carson:
"It's only 4 years."
If you are religious, pray harder.
As much as a crony and corrupt as Clinton may be (and probably is) - the overall damage to your country would be traumatic should Trump win.
The only comfort comes from Dr. Carson:
"It's only 4 years."
If you are religious, pray harder.
Rattrap
Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
I'm going to level with you guys: this has gone up. 1%. I'm starting to see a very strange and quixotic path where Donald Trump, while potentially disastrous in the short-term, would actually be the best option longterm between him and Hillary Clinton.
Hillary: The Conservative Hope
(behind the WSJ paywall, but here it is on a forum: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456127&p=1066174046)
Then google "trump death of conservatism".
Yeah. 1%.
meesterperfect
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Aside from name calling or making fun of his hair can anyone be specific on what they don't like about Trump?
There are plenty of specifics if you read back on the thread.
I suppose I could add to those that a stunningly high percentage of the statements he makes are either mostly or completely false.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
That he has no experience whatsoever with foreign policy or governance.
That he makes a whole lot of both vague and specific promises he can't possibly keep.
That when he speaks he's almost as rambling and incoherent as Sarah Palin.
That he's considered putting an entire demographic of American citizens (roughly 2.75 million, including military veterans) on a 'watch list' based on nothing other than their religion.
That he's considered devaluing treasury notes.
That he actually mocked a disabled person, and did so very obviously, then doubled down on this offense by childishly trying to claim he didn't.
That he blames tough questions from women on their menstrual cycles.
That's he's expressed admiration for totalitarian mass murderers Putin and Jong-Un
Just a few little things. No big deal
The man honestly has no clue what he's doing as far as politics go. Now I'm the first person that will say that experience means absolutely nothing when it comes to the Presidency but you should at least have some common sense. The man has none, whatsoever. What he has is things that he just regurgitates after seeing it posted somewhere, without fact checking. What he has is the complete and utter possibity of being a colossal embarrassment as our leader to the rest of the world. What he has is the ability to possibly set the United States back decades.
I honestly don't even think Trump thought he would get this far. I think this was all to get his name out there because he's that narcissistic and he just kept on winning. The problem is that people are so upset with politics (and rightfully so), that they're willing to elect Donald Trump. We might as well elect Kim Kardashian.
My favorite quote of this election so far. P.J. O'Rourke on Hillary Clinton: “She’s wrong about absolutely everything. But she’s wrong within normal parameters!"
David Brooks explaining why Trump is unfit:
Donald Trump is epically unprepared to be president. He has no realistic policies, no advisers, no capacity to learn. His vast narcissism makes him a closed fortress. He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know and he’s uninterested in finding out. He insults the office Abraham Lincoln once occupied by running for it with less preparation than most of us would undertake to buy a sofa. . . . He is a childish man running for a job that requires maturity. He is an insecure boasting little boy whose desires were somehow arrested at age 12.
Little Red Wagon Repairman
MFOMBSoPGA
I agree and think he's as surprised as many of the rest of us are. I remember myself posting awhile back that he was too chickenshit to show up even to debate. What example is this setting for potential candidates running in 2020?
meesterperfect
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You know when this country was founded it was never meant to have career politicians.
Does anybody realize the level of corruption due mainly to this in the USA GOV today?
It's probably at this point the most corrupt government thats ever existed.
These politicians , all of them, take so many millions and millions from big oil, big pharma, billionairres like Soros and Adelson and so many others.
They take millions and millions from Wall Street and big banks like Goldman Sachs. They take millions from the israel first lobbies.
Does anybody think that they just give all this money out of the kindness of their hearts?
Does anybody think that these multi billioniares and lobbies care about what's best for you or me?
They own all of these politicians and have for a very long time.
That alone should be enough reason for anybody to want an outsider in the office, whether it's Donald Trump or Don Knotts.
And does anybody even wonder why the media, the democrats, the republicans, and pretty much every big business is doing everything they can to ruin Trump?
I'll tell you this it's not for one thing any of you mentioned above. Not by a long shot even.
It's because they cant buy him therefore can't own and control him.
He is a threat to their BIG CLUB, that very elite, very corrupt club that gets richer and richer by fucking us over from cradle to grave.
Saddest thing is that most people have no clue just how bad they are being screwed all their lives.
You gotta try to expand your thought processes a little bit more. There is a lot more going on than what's on the surface.
Does anybody realize the level of corruption due mainly to this in the USA GOV today?
It's probably at this point the most corrupt government thats ever existed.
These politicians , all of them, take so many millions and millions from big oil, big pharma, billionairres like Soros and Adelson and so many others.
They take millions and millions from Wall Street and big banks like Goldman Sachs. They take millions from the israel first lobbies.
Does anybody think that they just give all this money out of the kindness of their hearts?
Does anybody think that these multi billioniares and lobbies care about what's best for you or me?
They own all of these politicians and have for a very long time.
That alone should be enough reason for anybody to want an outsider in the office, whether it's Donald Trump or Don Knotts.
And does anybody even wonder why the media, the democrats, the republicans, and pretty much every big business is doing everything they can to ruin Trump?
I'll tell you this it's not for one thing any of you mentioned above. Not by a long shot even.
It's because they cant buy him therefore can't own and control him.
He is a threat to their BIG CLUB, that very elite, very corrupt club that gets richer and richer by fucking us over from cradle to grave.
Saddest thing is that most people have no clue just how bad they are being screwed all their lives.
You gotta try to expand your thought processes a little bit more. There is a lot more going on than what's on the surface.
Yeah you know in it's most simplistic form this "sounds" really great. But the fact is that over time Trump has paid big time to purchase influence. He's no novice or innocent in this game, that's for damn sure.
And like any other president, it's critical that Trump, if elected, be subjected to a measure of control.
Unless you want a dictatorship, in which case there are plenty of other places to live.
Vote for Kanye 2020!
Rattrap
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All of these are good reasons not to vote for Clinton. None of them are good enough reasons to vote for Trump.
The media borderline created Trump: $2 Billion Worth of Free Media for Donald Trump. So you can go ahead and take them out of that list. The two parties? Sure. Big business? Because a presidential nominee talking about defaulting on the dollar is scary as fuck.
I wouldn't be so sure.
Donald Trump is no threat to that club; Donald Trump is firmly in that club.
This is very true. And again, reason not to vote an establishment candidate; not reason enough for Trump. Especially considering some people know exactly how bad they've been screwed - by, for example, Trump University.
Read your own words over. Internalize them. Then go vote for a non-awful non-establishment candidate, like Johnson or Stein.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
First off, I'd like to welcome you back to this pathetic forum, mi amigo! I hope that you have been doing well during your long sabbatical. I have missed you, buddy.
Trump's appeal is based on the fact that the American people....democrat, republican and everyone in between....are totally fucking fed up with the do-nothing, finger-pointing gridlock that has a stranglehold on our present government and has had since GWB was elected in 2000 and became greatly accelerated after Obama was elected in 2008 . Partisanship has always existed but the degree to which it has evolved in the past decade defies comparison. The American people are angry and justifiably so. Consequently, when someone like Trump comes along spewing his bombastic and unapologetic anti-establishment (some might say even jingoistic) rhetoric, it strikes a resonant chord with many who have long felt disenfranchised from the American political process....and there are millions who feel this way. Now it appears that our legitimate choices will boil down to an egomaniacal demagogue and a proven corrupt career politician who has been bought and paid for by Wall Street. Sad to say the least.
The specifics regarding why I cannot vote for the Donald are pretty easy to define. Even though the anti-establishment rhetoric he espouses sounds great to a lot of frustrated Americans, I have to remind myself that he absolutely IS the essence of the establishment....maybe not from a Washington insiders aspect but certainly from an economic and business aspect. Do you honestly think that Trump gives a rat's ass about people like you and me? Fuck no he doesn't. Having attained all the wealth anyone could possibly desire, the logical next Maslowian need for someone like him is POWER. And there is no more powerful single position for anyone in the world than to be president of the United States. That is what drives him. Understandably so in fact.
His unwillingness to compromise or seek outside advice (by his own admission) is an absolute recipe for disaster, not only domestically but especially regarding foreign affairs. I'm sorry but outrage and anger is not a policy....it's an emotion. He is totally unfamiliar with the art of diplomacy or compromise and, again, understandably so. This is a guy who is used to giving orders and seeing them followed without question. How in the world do you expect him to work with congress to accomplish anything other than obtaining a rubber-stamp for what he wants (which will never happen)? He won't and congress damned-sure won't crater to his bully-pulpit approach so....what would a Trump presidency look like from an accomplishment standpoint? Hell, most of his own party bigwigs can't stand him and the democrats are sure to be against his agenda so what do you expect him to be able to get done from a realistic viewpoint? Nothing good and just more division between the American people. Is that what you really want? When do we find a way (and the guts) to tear down the barriers that divide us rather than turning to someone who wants to basically outlaw a certain religion and relegate all immigrants to criminal status? I could go on but we all know what he stands for.
Trump is a classic demagogue and, were he to be elected, would be an unmitigated disaster from almost every angle you can examine. His rise to the top has been impressive but also very frightening. I'd like to think it impossible but, if a certain segment of the electorate shows up (or doesn't) on election day, he could indeed be elected POTUS. If that happens, folks, it would be the worst event to occur in the history of our great nation as far as I am concerned. I'm afraid I am going to have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary because, although Gary Johnson best represents my overall core values, he has no shot to be elected. I made that mistake in 2000 when I voted for Nader as a protest vote that resulted in GWB's alleged victory (hanging chads, anyone?) so, distasteful as it may be, that is what I will be forced to do. Our corrupt and rotten political system is what has led to this travesty and now we, the American people, shall continue to bear the price for our corruption....in money, lives and personal freedoms taken away.
Unfortunately, there is no one out there who appears to have the qualities to accomplish true compromise and cooperation (hence, progress). So, by all means vote for him if you think he is the answer to all of our many problems. To me, it's blatantly obvious that he is not. Personally, I see them being exacerbated exponentially by a Trump administration, both here at home and around the world.
The measure of control would be the system of checks and balances already in place, right?
This election amounts to a referendum on the character and wisdom of the American people. It is a fight for the very soul of our nation, i.e., who we are!
My view of Donald Trump is that of a snake oil salesman - as slimy and as fraudulent as they come.
Unfortunately, however, he's quite good at his craft... undoubtedly the most effective "salesman" the US has ever seen run for President.
A master of exaggeration, he has successfully fanned the flames of dissatisfaction into rabid, full blown anger.
He's tailored his message to a sizeable swath of disenfranchised voters, convincing them that the economy is in shambles, that ISIS can be easily defeated, and that America is no longer great... all of which is completely FALSE! To listen to his gloom and doom rhetoric, one would think the US is on the verge of a virtual collapse.
On the contrary, just a couple days ago, the Bureau of Economic Analysis reported the biggest monthly hike in consumer spending in almost 7 years, which suggests that the US economy is actually robust, contrary to the "bearish" picture that Trump has been trying to paint.
So which "entity" poses the greatest threat to the US: Clinton, Trump or ISIS?
Trump's temperament alone, not to mention some of his outlandish proposals, itself, poses both an national and international threat to the US.
With all his bombast, Donald is surprisingly thin-skinned, combatiave, and easily butthurt, a clear sign of insecurity and demonstrative of his fundamental lack of composure/steadiness.
As a mere candidate, the guy has insulted some of our closest allies as well as alienated 1.6 billion Muslims. Say what you want about Hillary's email server controversy, Donald's unscripted/unplugged speaking style is a far greater threat to national security than some potentially at-risk emails.
If Trump does becomes president (which is quite possible - Hillary is an awful campaigner), I predict he would be impeached within 2 years for "conduct unbefiitting the office of President of the United States".
p.s.
News commentators missed this one, but what Trump did Tuesday was unconscionable.
Regarding the lawsuit against him, the judge assigned to the case made the decision to the release sales literature/employee handbooks associated with his now defunct Trump University.
At a campaign rally in San Diego, this scoundrel goes off topic specifically to call out the judge.
He repeatedly referred to this judge as being a "Trump Hater", clearly and loudly informed the crowd of the judge's name ("His name is... !"), then makes a reference to the man's race, saying that he believed he was Mexican. This retaliatory response by Trump could easily be construed as subliminally encouraging Trumpeters to "do his bidding", i.e. commit some form of terrorism against this judge, be it assault or threat of assault.
What happens to you if you cross Dangerous Donald - US Dictator :squish:
My view of Donald Trump is that of a snake oil salesman - as slimy and as fraudulent as they come.
Unfortunately, however, he's quite good at his craft... undoubtedly the most effective "salesman" the US has ever seen run for President.
A master of exaggeration, he has successfully fanned the flames of dissatisfaction into rabid, full blown anger.
He's tailored his message to a sizeable swath of disenfranchised voters, convincing them that the economy is in shambles, that ISIS can be easily defeated, and that America is no longer great... all of which is completely FALSE! To listen to his gloom and doom rhetoric, one would think the US is on the verge of a virtual collapse.
On the contrary, just a couple days ago, the Bureau of Economic Analysis reported the biggest monthly hike in consumer spending in almost 7 years, which suggests that the US economy is actually robust, contrary to the "bearish" picture that Trump has been trying to paint.
So which "entity" poses the greatest threat to the US: Clinton, Trump or ISIS?
Trump's temperament alone, not to mention some of his outlandish proposals, itself, poses both an national and international threat to the US.
With all his bombast, Donald is surprisingly thin-skinned, combatiave, and easily butthurt, a clear sign of insecurity and demonstrative of his fundamental lack of composure/steadiness.
As a mere candidate, the guy has insulted some of our closest allies as well as alienated 1.6 billion Muslims. Say what you want about Hillary's email server controversy, Donald's unscripted/unplugged speaking style is a far greater threat to national security than some potentially at-risk emails.
If Trump does becomes president (which is quite possible - Hillary is an awful campaigner), I predict he would be impeached within 2 years for "conduct unbefiitting the office of President of the United States".
p.s.
News commentators missed this one, but what Trump did Tuesday was unconscionable.
Regarding the lawsuit against him, the judge assigned to the case made the decision to the release sales literature/employee handbooks associated with his now defunct Trump University.
At a campaign rally in San Diego, this scoundrel goes off topic specifically to call out the judge.
He repeatedly referred to this judge as being a "Trump Hater", clearly and loudly informed the crowd of the judge's name ("His name is... !"), then makes a reference to the man's race, saying that he believed he was Mexican. This retaliatory response by Trump could easily be construed as subliminally encouraging Trumpeters to "do his bidding", i.e. commit some form of terrorism against this judge, be it assault or threat of assault.
What happens to you if you cross Dangerous Donald - US Dictator :squish:
yawn.
And news commentators didn't miss that one because I was watching news commentators talking about it. Thanks Fox News.
All those negative personality traits of Trump have been on full display yet he's steamrolled through what may have been the most formidable field of GOP candidates in recent memory. Those who came out in droves to vote for him don't give a shit that he's a childish, narcissistic (insert whatever here) asshole - they want hope and change.
And speaking of assault, see the anti-trump protests.
I've said elsewhere, I don't like Trump the person, but like the idea of Trump. And the fact that he's got the far left's panties in such a wad (he's the next Hitler, after all) makes him all the more appealing. He could be disastrous, but he has a tremendous upside IMO.
And so Putin and Kim Kong Jong or whatever his name is are saying good things about Trump and he's catching flack for it. Remember that Obama Russia reset button? How has that worked out? So which is it?
meesterperfect
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Yes it is. And it's something that really hasn't existed in the past 20 something years.
If elected Trump will not be allowed to do whatever he wants. In fact he'll no doubt get more opposition than any PREZ in decades.
I worry mainly about 2 main things: War and the economy. Well Hillary is going to get the Democrat nomination because quite simply
it's rigged. Sanders has almost no chance because the elections are rigged. Either believe it or don't but I know that Sanders has had almost every primary stolen from him thus far.
Hillary is, among other things a war monger. It doesn't take much research to find this out.Her record speaks for itself.
So if you want more wars in which the US and Nato kill millions of innocent people on the behest of their owners vote for her.
You want the the disparity, the flow of wealth between rich and everybody else to continue to go upwards untill the whole thing crashes vote for her.
BTW if anybody is really following this email scandal, what is actually happening you would also clearly see that she is guilty as can be therefore should not be allowed to hold any political office ever by law. It's called treason and more than likely espionage.
Trump has a lot to learn because I think most of his world view , like most Americans, is shaped by the mainstream media which if you haven't noticed by know is the biggest source of mis information that ever existed.
But I highly doubt he will continue this Project for a New American Century policy of endless war. I do believe he will do his best for the country and it's people,especially regarding the economy as a whole. Not foreign interests, the big lobbies, big military and big biz.......something no PREZ has done for decades.
If us Trump supporters are wrong well at least we tried. So far nothing anybody here or anywhere I've seen has led me to believe he won't at least try. HC is completety bought and paid for and will only do what her owners demand......which is never what's best for The People.
I also at this point when speaking "politics" to people can tell pretty quickly if they actually do their research or just blindly accept what the media and the GOV (the same thing btw) tells them. If I find it's the latter I usually don't bother debating with them. It's like talking to a wall.
So unless they pull an RFK on Trump and don't indict HC like they should it's gonna be between those two.
With you know who it will be more of the same GOV corruption. And I don't think the world is going to stand for more endless war or the country sustain another 4 years of what we've had the past 20 years.
And it warms my heart when Trump calls out the media as "sleeze" and points them out in the audience whether justified or not. There should *always* be an adversarial relationship between the press and those in power even if acrimonious. That's their fucking job, not to "make the world a better place" you fuck liberals. A president should never praise the press for "working side-by-side with me" for whatever ends as Obama said in his last correspondent's dinner.
Press: "Is this how it's going to be with us when you're president?"
Trump: "Yeah"
Trump 2016 - if anything, it'll be entertaining.
Press: "Is this how it's going to be with us when you're president?"
Trump: "Yeah"
Trump 2016 - if anything, it'll be entertaining.
Most formidable field of GOP candidates? HAHA. All I heard from conservatives leading up to this election was that the GOP had a deep bench and that they were going to run a strong field of candidates. The one thing we've now learned from this election is that the so called "deep bench" wasn't as deep as we thought, in fact it was totally overrated. With the exception of a week or two where Carson was atop the polls, Trump was in first the entire time. So it turns out this field wasn't as formidable as every one thought
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