Land War stuff (Tanks, guns and anything else that doesn't fly or float)

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I would love to get an M1 carbine. You can find them on Gun Broker, but it would be for plinking and target shooting, and it would be a waste of money right now to buy one. Maybe one day down the road. M1 Garand's can be purchased through the CMP., but some of them fetch big dollars.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Earlier in the thread, we were talking about small harms. One of the mainstays, and important weapons was the Browning Automatic Weapon, obviously designed by John Moses Browning, a man that was ahead of his time, and holds more firearms patents then anyone else. I'm posting an animated "how it works" videos, and one that explains the history, and 1 from one of the guys I go to for reviews and such, The B.A.R. is an old weapon, I think it was being used in WWI too. It's advantage was, it gave squads their own personal fully auto suppressing fire. Now a days, they call them S.A.W.'s, or squad automatic weapon. I would really love to own one, but at with market price, and all of the hoops to jump through, I just have to get over it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_UflueELSU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T2lWPhYyD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2jRwp19csA
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Oh, yeah: the SAW. Great weapon in COD 4: Modern Warfare 1!
It's getting replaced., as are the rifles carried by all soldiers, It's going to be a 6.8X51, which means the same length as a .308. or our .30 caliber, Sig Sauer got the contracts for both rifles, and they already had it for the side arm, the new Sig P320 striker fire (Sig's version of a Glock), which is still in 9mm. The civilian market for the hand gun is available in full, compact, and sub compact. It's also available in several calibers, including 10mm, and it's only around $800.00. Although the Sig's are heavier then the Glock's. Here's a couple of links. It's a good looking weapon. Not sure if they'll offer the caliber in civilian models though.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/h...w-about-the-armys-new-squad-rifles/ar-AAWqXqc

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-S...unces-2-new-rifles-for-close-combat-soldiers/
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
So, getting back on topic. Gen. George S. Patton, called the M1 Garand the greatest battle rifle ever made, and at the time, he was correct. It was, and still is an amazing weapon, and is still used to this day, in compactions, as part of the CMP, and as collectable war curios. They were still making them at "Auto Ordinance Co". You can find them used on Gun Broker.com, for as low as $900.00, and as expensive as $4500.00. When we entered WWII, most of the soldiers we faced, were using bolt action rifles holding 5 rounds, the M1 held 8, and was easily reloaded. It fires a .30 caliber round (7.62x63 at the time) , also known as a 30-06, a very popular caliber in America for hunting, and very versatile in it's range of uses. I have a couple of videos on the operations of the rifle, and the history. It truly is an American icon, and was produced by many famous gun companies during the war. Then served reliably as the main battle rifle in Korea, as did the other main WWII weapons.
 
Oh, yeah: the SAW. Great weapon in COD 4: Modern Warfare 1!
@Pornfan99 @Mr. Daystar

I have no experience firing these weapons, so I've always wondered how accurate their depictions in video games are. In your opinion, do they have the same characteristics, and are they accurately powered in comparison to the other weapons in those games?
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
@Pornfan99 @Mr. Daystar

I have no experience firing these weapons, so I've always wondered how accurate their depictions in video games are. In your opinion, do they have the same characteristics, and are they accurately powered in comparison to the other weapons in those games?
The only weapon I've ever fired in real life, that has been in a C.O.D. game, was the 1911 .45ACP pistol. The visual, and action's are very similar, and the "PING" when you empty an Garand does sound like that. I don't know how you could really judge the differences, unless you actually drilled with the weapons themselves. I know in any of the C.O.D. games the weapons are all depicted accurately as far as appearance goes, and unless you've actually ran, while shooting a rifle, you wouldn't really be able to tell how realistic it is. To be honest, I'm a better shot in real life, then I am at any video game. I'm the guy that throws the grenade, and it hits a wall, bouncing back, and killing my own team. That's why I won't play on line, I'm not getting my ass kicked by a 12 year old girl!
 
The only weapon I've ever fired in real life, that has been in a C.O.D. game, was the 1911 .45ACP pistol. The visual, and action's are very similar, and the "PING" when you empty an Garand does sound like that. I don't know how you could really judge the differences, unless you actually drilled with the weapons themselves. I know in any of the C.O.D. games the weapons are all depicted accurately as far as appearance goes, and unless you've actually ran, while shooting a rifle, you wouldn't really be able to tell how realistic it is. To be honest, I'm a better shot in real life, then I am at any video game. I'm the guy that throws the grenade, and it hits a wall, bouncing back, and killing my own team. That's why I won't play on line, I'm not getting my ass kicked by a 12 year old girl!
Cool. Yeah, the visuals are something we can look up even in wikipedia and see that they're pretty accurate. But sounds, handling etc... not so much.

I was also thinking in terms of balance. In reality, some countries had better weapons in general, but in gameplay, you couldn't have the enemy stuck with shoddy weapons. So I had to assume that some weapons got a buff and are made to be more (or less) powerful than in real life. And I assume that the stopping power is pretty different too.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Cool. Yeah, the visuals are something we can look up even in wikipedia and see that they're pretty accurate. But sounds, handling etc... not so much.

I was also thinking in terms of balance. In reality, some countries had better weapons in general, but in gameplay, you couldn't have the enemy stuck with shoddy weapons. So I had to assume that some weapons got a buff and are made to be more (or less) powerful than in real life. And I assume that the stopping power is pretty different too.
Well in the first COD they had some German arms, that weren't out, until closer to the end of the war, but if I remember right, they weren't in the game until later levels, so they did a pretty good job. Like a model rail road, you can't really pull 100 cars on most layouts, and you're representing miles, in a few feet, so you make compromises. In reality, the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle (the sniper rifle), fired the same round as the M1 Garand, but it would kick more, because the way a Garand works, some of the recoil is absorbed by the gas piston cycling the weapon, and the number of rounds were correct, for the weapons. You also have to remember that, a German K98 Mauser bolt action rifle, fired a big bullet too. The only real weapon the was better going in, were the M1 Garand, and the M1 carbine. Germany had a good sub machine gun (MP40), in 9mm, we had the Thompson, in .45acp. it matched the sidearm caliber, as did Germany's Lugers and P38's were also 9mm. Where they lacked a nice semi auto rifle in the beginning of the war, towards the end they evened it up pretty good. Right from the beginning the Germans had a better machine gun. The MG42, which is close to .30 caliber, fired so fast, it sounded like a buzz saw, and the U.S. army had a special training film because it was so scary and demoralizing to the troops. The Browning .30 calibers we had were good weapons, but fired no where nearly as fast. But we also had the Browning .50 BMG, which is still in use today, and has remained virtually unchanged since it was first produced in 1917, or 1919, I can't remember. I can't tell you about the Russian, or British weapons, except to say they were visually accurate. and they both had side arms and sub machine guns in the same caliber, and bolt action rifles in the .30 caliber range. Britain had the Lee Enfield, in .303 British, and the Sten sub machine gun in 9mm, and the Browning Hi Power side arm. They also had a lot of Thompsons, and 1911's from the lend/lease program. The Russians had a rifle called the Mosin Nagant, and it was a 7.62x54 round, and you can find a lot of those old rifles pretty cheap. I know not thing one about the Japanese weapons. As far as the game goes, what I do remember is, they reload quick. A trained soldier can reload pretty quick, he's trained to do so. But in the game, they all seem to be extremely well trained.
 

Mr. Daystar

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"Germany had a good sub machine gun (MP40)," THAT is the best weapon, in COD Black Ops 1.
I never got that far in the series. If they have the FN SCAR, that currently is the top of the line main battle rifle available in the world today. I would grab a SCAR. If not, tell me what they do have. I did mention the MP40.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Another great weapon we had in WWII and Korea, was the M1 Carbine. A .30 caliber weapon, but not a typical rifle cartridge, it looked more like an auto pistol round, but longer. Also known as a "straight walled rifle cartridge". I don't know much about the weapon, other then it was very much welcomed by the Marines in the Pacific, that had been using old bolt action Springfield's. There are some old surplus weapons out there, but the "Auto Ordinance Co." still makes them for civilian purchase. They made a paratrooper version with a pistol grip and folding stock also. Here are a couple of videos about the rifles.
 
In COD: Modern Warfare 2, they have a SCAR-heavy caliber. Very good weapon, if a slow fire rate. COD: MW3 has a SCAR-light caliber. Again, same slower (for an auto A/R) fire rate. AND, with the lighter caliber, it takes more hits for the opponent to be killed. Very good .. "basic" sight, with a circle at the end, with a center-line on the lower half of the circle for targeting.
 

Mr. Daystar

In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
In COD: Modern Warfare 2, they have a SCAR-heavy caliber. Very good weapon, if a slow fire rate. COD: MW3 has a SCAR-light caliber. Again, same slower (for an auto A/R) fire rate. AND, with the lighter caliber, it takes more hits for the opponent to be killed. Very good .. "basic" sight, with a circle at the end, with a center-line on the lower half of the circle for targeting.
Modern battle rifles aren't designed to fire at a high rounds per minute rate, that's why they have the SAW. Controlled short bursts produce more accuracy and places shots on target. high rates of fire, are for suppressing fire, for position flanking. If you need to fire into a mass of incoming combatants, you should be behind a Browning .50, or other belt feed weapon. If the game provides you with that option.
 
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