Here's some of the girl's side of the story:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/402005_schene03.html
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/402005_schene03.html
King Co. deputy assault case
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You know what, fuck it...
I say let the cops execute people on the damn streets. I know you haven't seen the shit, but I sure have, makes people follow the laws by compliance. Nothing better than biscuits and (oh shit bob jaywalked again.... *bam* .45 ACP to the head...) brains all over my face.
I think full blown para-militarizing our cops is a great concept... worked for these countries, why not ours...
IRAQ
CHINA
Soviet Union
Wait i got a better idea, let's give the cops the fucking credit they deserve, because all they deal with is people breaking laws (yes you speed, you broke the fucking law). Are drug dealers militarizing, hell yeah they are.... I say give police APC's, and Bradleys, and hell give the FBI, F-16's and Apache's.... Let them take full effect of going out and touching someone.
You want protection, it comes at a price, civil liberties (I sure hope not, but I don't know everybody's values), someone Else's blood/sweat, or even money... simple as that. my :2 cents: give the cops all the damn fire power they need, and let them kill/capture drug leaders and blatant violators of the law (to include jaywalkers, fuck them too). Hell, look at California, they have a super influx of inmates... wonder why... it is because they have good cops?
You think the law is stupid, call your local representative, and get the law changed... that simple (it's called a bill)... till then quit bitching if you smoke weed, or jaywalk and get busted....
I say let the cops execute people on the damn streets. I know you haven't seen the shit, but I sure have, makes people follow the laws by compliance. Nothing better than biscuits and (oh shit bob jaywalked again.... *bam* .45 ACP to the head...) brains all over my face.
I think full blown para-militarizing our cops is a great concept... worked for these countries, why not ours...
IRAQ
CHINA
Soviet Union
Wait i got a better idea, let's give the cops the fucking credit they deserve, because all they deal with is people breaking laws (yes you speed, you broke the fucking law). Are drug dealers militarizing, hell yeah they are.... I say give police APC's, and Bradleys, and hell give the FBI, F-16's and Apache's.... Let them take full effect of going out and touching someone.
You want protection, it comes at a price, civil liberties (I sure hope not, but I don't know everybody's values), someone Else's blood/sweat, or even money... simple as that. my :2 cents: give the cops all the damn fire power they need, and let them kill/capture drug leaders and blatant violators of the law (to include jaywalkers, fuck them too). Hell, look at California, they have a super influx of inmates... wonder why... it is because they have good cops?
You think the law is stupid, call your local representative, and get the law changed... that simple (it's called a bill)... till then quit bitching if you smoke weed, or jaywalk and get busted....
Ace Boobtoucher
Founder and Captain of the Douchepatrol
Seriously, who hasn't wanted to punch a fifteen year old girl for having an over inflated sense of importance and self worth? I never would but nobody pisses me off more mightily than a teenager who thinks because her parents have accomplished something or have some notoriety that they are excused from being civilized, coureous human beings. I farking hate that show about sweet sixteens where the girls all act like ginormous cunts. I would loved it if that poor girl in the video turned out to be one of those debs.
The cop in question should definitely face the music on this one, though. Totally out of line to escalate that quickly over something so trivial. Considering how long the entrance process into most law enforcement agencies is and the fact that the screening is so intrusive it is hard to believe that unstable guys like this slip through the cracks.
I myself am on month number eight of my entrance to an unnamed agency and I think I would second guess my actions before doing anything that would result in disciplinary action because of all the time invested in getting just to this point.
The cop in question should definitely face the music on this one, though. Totally out of line to escalate that quickly over something so trivial. Considering how long the entrance process into most law enforcement agencies is and the fact that the screening is so intrusive it is hard to believe that unstable guys like this slip through the cracks.
I myself am on month number eight of my entrance to an unnamed agency and I think I would second guess my actions before doing anything that would result in disciplinary action because of all the time invested in getting just to this point.
fired my ass....if that was my child...he may get fired in hell...cause thats where he would go...i would rent me a uhaul....and drive it thru his house....if they would like a real video :thefinger
this kid was 15 years old....no 15 year old should be hit in the head by a fist from a grown man??? you kidding? hes a lucky man...if that was my child...he just paid for him a ticket to hell....blev that!!!!!!!!!he cant wear that police suit all time.....i would like to see if the pussy could do a man that way :thefinger
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
If that was your child, I wouldn't surprised that they would be in jail in the first place, judging from your gung-ho, "I'll kick your ass" attitude.
I respect them also as do 'most' citizens, but there are many more dangerous jobs. In fact Policeman don't even make CNN's Top Ten Most Dangerous Jobs list :
http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/07/pf/2006_most_dangerous_jobs/index.htm
The above lists doesn't even include military service which would certainly fall into the top ten before cops.
Fishermen:hatsoff: Hats off to them I love seafood.
Pilots
Loggers
Iron/steel workers
Refuse collectors
Farmers/Ranchers
Power lineman
Roofers
Drivers- I still own my CDL's
Ag workers
Yes he should be fired & I know it can be streesful & dangerous at times ,but that is no excuse for a harmless shoe fling.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I know that you, personally, didn't come up with that list, but...
Those jobs are statistically dangerous for various reasons though and should never be compared to being a police officer. For instance...
Roofers? Are you serious? You can't honestly compare the dangers involved with roofing to the dangers involved with law enforcement.
Also, with those listed professions, the danger lies with accidents. Fishing, logging, piloting (etc) don't have intentional threats. Meaning, most (if not ALL) of the deaths and injuries that occur in those professions are due to accidents.
The deaths and injuries that occur in law enforcement are almost always intentional. If a police officer gets shot in the chest during a shootout with a bank robber, you're not going to sit back and say, "Wow, it's really unfortunate that he accidentally got in the way of that bullet."
Police officers go to work, every single day, with the possibility of death. Statistically, there are more "dangerous" jobs, but in all reality, police officers have an extremely dangerous job.
The comparison is valid. Those other jobs, where the risks don't typically involved someone trying to kill the person, hold a greater risk of death or serious injury. Putting the "but" between "statistically" and "in all reality" isn't legit. Reality is shown by the stats. Yes, sure, police officers have an extremely dangerous job. (Has someone denied that?) Nonetheless, the other jobs are MORE dangerous.
Truck Drivers/Fisherman/Roofers go to work every single day as well with an even greater possibility of death. Be it accidental or intentional. I said that cops do have a high stress job ,but the actual danger compared to other jobs is relatively low.
Truck Drivers attempting to make deliveries in awful traffic, bad weather & under a deadline have stressful jobs also as proven by road rage violence.Some Drivers (when I delivered) even have threatened to intentionally run over the next SOB who flips them off, cuts them off, curses them out etc.....,.
That is a stressful /dangerous job dude & it is a valid comparison. More dangerous than a cop actually & the numbers bear this out.
Not taking away from the stress of a cops job ,however, nor the perceived danger cops feel sometimes when actually none is there. Like in the video.
Fact is most of the guys mentioned above have far less of a chance of returning to their families at night than cops & they know this.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Drivers were on that list. Police officers drive around in cars too, so shouldn't they automatically be on the list as well?
That list is going purely on statistics, based on the amount of deaths that occur per 100,000 workers in each individual profession. I have said on many occasions that statistics only tell a small part of the story. It doesn't take into account the severity of the dangers that are involved with each profession, only the number of deaths.
It also doesn't differentiate between accidental deaths and deaths that were caused on purpose. You could make the argument that a death is a death, whether it's accidental or not, but you could also make the argument that driving a car isn't as dangerous as walking through a minefield in Iraq while snipers eye you down from a hilltop, yet, the article doesn't have Armed Forces on the list.
It all depends on how you are going to categorize the dangers involved in each profession. An airplane pilot can get into a plane crash, which will almost always result in death. That's pretty dangerous. A 7-11 clerk can get robbed at gun point and be shot to death. That's pretty dangerous. A crossing guard can get hit by a car and die. That's pretty dangerous too. But, which profession is more dangerous?
:dunno:
According to that article, it would be the profession that results in more deaths, even though that all 3 of those can be argued to be equally dangerous, but in their own individual ways. That's why I don't think that you can base the level of danger on a job just by looking at the amount of deaths that occur per 100,000 workers.
I already made the argument about drivers, so I won't repeat myself.
Just because a job is stressful doesn't make it any more dangerous than other jobs. I have a stressful job, but I'll never claim that I have a dangerous job.
I also made the point to reference the differences between different types of danger, so I won't repeat that either.
I will say this again though...the numbers only tell a very small part of the story.
That's right - the truthy part.
It seems to me you are arguing against yourself or no one since I don't see one post that says cops don't have a stressful/ dangerous job.:dunno:
You said that cops could potentially not come home at night when the fact is there are far more jobs that are more dangerous than US cops. Period.
Fact is there are far more actual jobs that possess an On Duty hazard to life/health to its employees than being a cop. Indisputable.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
HA!!! For some reason, "truthy" made me think of that one Family Guy episode where Brian's girlfriend, Jillian (played by Drew Barrymore) says "truthishly".
:1orglaugh
I never said that anybody claimed that police officers didn't have a dangerous job. In fact, everybody has been saying otherwise.
I just don't think that you can compare the danger of "I could fall off a boat while I'm at work" to "I can get shot while I'm at work". Obviously, falling off a boat isn't the only thing that could kill you on a fishing boat; I'm just making a point.
Sure you can. They both can result in death, but the shooting would probably occur in the midst of a highly intense, dramatic situation, possibly involving a direct physical altercation with another person. That is the sort of possible scenario that people are surely aware is possible when they sign up to be a cop.
Of course, if you're on a fishing boat that's caught in a storm, you might also be involved in a highly intense, dramatic situation - minus the physical violence with another person.
And the fisherman is more likely to experience his fatal workplace danger than the cop is.
There, I just compared 'em.
What argument are you making? Dead is dead. Whether it is a truck driver whom has to be scooped from the wreckage with a spoon after a horrendous wreck, a power line worker getting cooked like a rotisserie chicken at KFC, being washed out to sea as shark bait, etc...., dead is dead. (Actually being fried on a power line & some other forms of death in other professions is far more scary than taking a bullet to many I bet.)
What is your position? Cops are more dead than the other professions which are obviously & indisputably more dangerous:dunno:
Mine is that while cops do have a dangerous job there are far more dangerous positions to be had than a US cop & it is really ,undeniably indesputable. They leave home everyday with a reasonably larger fear than cops that they may not come home at night & it does not excuse cops behavior . Especially beating down 15 year old girls.
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
If you're going to use the argument that a death is a death, than you would have to say that eating is extremely dangerous because you could choke and die.
Police officers leave their home with the fear of being shot and killed, even during a "routine" traffic stop. How is that less of a fear than anything else?
Eating isn't a job (well, unless you're a restaurant critic - and the danger is a visit to Chef's place! hahaha - just kidding
).Sure, officers might leave home knowing they could be killed, but if the fear is overwhelming for them, they probably shouldn't be cops. They could always take heart in the fact that they'd be more likely to die if they were a commercial fisherman.
Here's a pretty interesting analysis of this case, in a wider context.
http://lastfreevoice.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/paul-schene/
http://lastfreevoice.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/paul-schene/
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Eating isn't a job (well, unless you're a restaurant critic - and the danger is a visit to Chef's place! hahaha - just kidding
Or that hot dog eating Japanese guy. :dunno:
Fisherman don't have the chance of getting a gun pulled on them on a daily basis. So, they could always take comfort in knowing that they won't get shot when they go to work.
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