Justice Finally

[Whit]

So basically, what you're saying is that if you run and get shot, you had it coming ?

If you don't want it to happen to you, then don't resist or run.

 

[Whit]

So what is the justified result, in YOUR opinion? Is it: You run in a direction away, you just have it coming? The actual law does not matter, the law of the street applies? I get the impression that is what you think is how it just is, and, as you happen to be no black person, you are okay with it.

Is that how you feel?

I'm saying it's mostly avoidable, I never said whether they are black or white or Mexican. It is ironic that the people that are constantly breaking the law are so upset at the police doing it.

 

[Johan]

If you don't want it to happen to you, then don't resist or run.

But if you resist or run, then you deserve to be shot ?

I'm saying it's mostly avoidable, I never said whether they are black or white or Mexican. It is ironic that the people that are constantly breaking the law are so upset at the police doing it.

What I think ironic is law-enforcement forces who do not respect the laws that applies to them in the first place and peple defending them because they were enforcing laws that others had broken.


Unpaid Tulsa deputy's records were falsified
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...oting-bates-falsified-certification/25866675/

 

[Whit]

I really doubt police behavior is going to change that much in the future.
I doubt criminals behavior is going to change either.
There isn't much that I can say or anyone else can that will change it here.
So I'll stop before people I respect get more offended.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

I find it ironic that you worry constantly about a country you profess to dislike instead of worrying about your own fucked up country. That was for Johan in case that wasn't obvious.

 

[Jagger69]

This kind of stuff just keeps happening. Witness the Freddy Gray case that has just exploded in Baltimore over the weekend:

Authorities in Baltimore just wrapped an afternoon news conference regarding the recent death of Freddie Gray. Here's what they said:

-- Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake told reporters Monday that she is frustrated over Gray's death. "This is a very, very tense time for Baltimore City, and I understand the community's frustration. I understand it because I'm frustrated. I'm angry that we are here again," she said.

-- The Baltimore Police Department will conclude its investigation into the death of Gray by Friday, May 1, Police Commissioner Anthony Batts told reporters. "I am asking for calm, and to allow the process to work its way through," he said.

-- Officers involved in the arrest of Gray have been suspended, Baltimore Deputy Police Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez told reporters.

-- An autopsy on the body of Gray was done Monday. "He did suffer a very tragic injury to his spinal cord, which resulted in his death. What we don't know, and what we need to get to, is how that injury occurred," said Rodriguez.

-- An officer took his Taser out, and was prepared to use it on Gray, but he never deployed it, Rodriguez told reporters. "The information that we have is that Mr. Gray gave up without the use of force," he said.

-- Gray requested medical attention at some point after his arrest, said Rodriguez. It's unclear exactly when. Gray also asked for an inhaler, Rodriguez said.

-- The deputy police commissioner dismissed the comparison of his city to Ferguson, Missouri. "This is a city where we've worked very hard under this current administration to develop dialogue with the community," Rodriguez told reporters

Freddie Gray, the Baltimore man who died after his lawyer says his neck was partially severed and he lapsed into a coma while in police custody, was arrested "without force or incident" on a weapon charge, according to documents obtained Monday.

While the court documents allege that Baltimore Police Department Officer Garrett Miller arrested Gray after finding a switchblade in his pocket, the Gray family attorney called the allegation a "sideshow." Gray was carrying a "pocket knife of legal size," attorney William Murphy told CNN.

Police never saw the knife and chased Gray only after he took off running, the attorney said.

That seems substantiated by the court documents, which said Gray "fled unprovoked upon noticing police presence."

"The officer noticed a knife clipped to the inside of his front right pants pocket. The defendant was arrested without force or incident," the documents say. "The knife was recovered by this officer and found to be a spring assisted, one-hand-operated knife."

Maryland law makes it illegal to "wear or carry a dangerous weapon of any kind concealed on or about the person," including switchblades.

Timeline sparks questions

Gray's death Sunday, following a week of hospitalization, has spurred outrage. At a Monday morning protest outside the Baltimore Police Department, demonstrators co-opted slogans from other high-profile police shootings. They chanted -- "Hands up! Don't shoot!" and "I can't breathe!" -- and carried signs saying, "Stop police terror" and "Black lives matter."

Sharon Black, one of the rally's organizers, said police misconduct is routine in Baltimore, and described Gray's death as the "straw that broke the camel's back."

"The police act in an unrestrained and abusive way," she said.

Gray was in perfect health until police chased and tackled him in Baltimore over a week ago, his lawyer said. Less than an hour later, he was on his way to a trauma clinic with a spinal injury, where he fell into a coma.

On Monday, police may reveal details of what happened to him when they hold an afternoon news conference.

Two witnesses hit record on their cell phones during what looked to be the 25-year-old's arrest. Police told CNN affiliate WJZ that they also have surveillance video of him.

But there appears to be a gap of some minutes left to account for. Police, according to their own timeline, spotted Gray, gave chase, caught him, cuffed him and requested a paddy wagon in fewer than 4 minutes. The transport van left with Gray about 11 minutes after that, police said, and another 30 minutes passed before "units request paramedics to the Western District to transport the suspect to an area hospital."

Gray died Sunday, a full week after the encounter.

Police encounter

When cell phones began recording, Gray was already on the ground with three officers kneeling over him. And he let out long, painful screams.

Officers had encountered him a minute earlier, police said. They were working an area where drug deals and other crimes are common, Deputy Police Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez said.

They thought Gray may have been involved in a crime, but there was no evidence that he committed a crime, Gray family attorney William Murphy Jr. said, and WJZ reported last week that police had not said what their suspicion was.

"Officers were working in an area that is known for violent crime and drug sales. Officers went to make an encounter with Mr. Gray when he fled from them," Baltimore Police Department spokesman, Capt. Eric Kowalczyk, said Sunday.

Pressed on why police initially stopped Gray, Kowalczyk said the department hadn't released that information because investigators are still conducting interviews.

Painful wailing

When officers approached Gray, he ran. They pursued and caught him quickly, at 8:40 a.m., according to a police timeline.

The officers called for a prisoner transport van. Cell phone video taken from two separate positions showed officers lifting Gray, whose hands were cuffed, up by his shoulders and dragging him to the back of the van.

He legs dangled behind him listlessly as he wailed.

Officers put more restraints on Gray inside the van, police said, while surveillance video recorded him conscious and talking. The video has not been released to the public.

The 30 minutes

That was at 8:54 a.m.

At 9:24 a.m., police called an ambulance to pick Gray up at the Western District police station. Murphy wants to know what happened in those 30 minutes in between.

The ambulance took Gray to the University of Maryland Medical Center's Shock Trauma Center.

"He lapsed into a coma, died, was resuscitated, stayed in a coma and on Monday underwent extensive surgery at Shock Trauma to save his life," Murphy said. "He clung to life for seven days."

Tubes, wires and supports protruded from Gray as he lay in his hospital bed in a photo Murphy passed on to the media.

Frustration and questions

Police have not released the incident report or said how many officers participated in Gray's arrest. The officers have been placed on administrative duty, they said.

Murphy has accused police not releasing details of Gray's treatment by officers to cover for them.

On the evening of Gray's death, Baltimore's mayor, police commissioner and deputy commissioner promised to get to the bottom of the case.

"I understand the frustration of the community," said Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake. "I want citizens to know exactly how it happened, and if necessary, I will ensure that we hold the right people accountable."

Officers and Gray investigated

But no one promised quick answers.

Rawlings-Blake said that she wants to see a thorough inquiry and that the city will release additional details as investigations are completed.

There will be two criminal investigations, said Deputy Commissioner Rodriguez: one to determine if the arresting officers broke the law, and one that pertains to Gray.

Police have not grilled the arresting officers on what happened for legal reasons, Rodriguez said.

"We cannot interview an officer administratively and compel them, if an officer is the subject of the criminal investigation. Every person has the right against self-incrimination, so for us to compel an officer to provide a statement, that could potentially taint the criminal investigation," he said.

Investigators will submit their results to an independent review board, he said. There will also be a separate administrative investigation.

Family declined meeting

Police officials have attempted to speak with Gray's relatives to explain the investigation process, Police Commissioner Anthony Batts said.

But they have declined to meet.

"A mother has lost her son," Batts said, extending his condolences to the family.

He hopes that in interactions between police and residents, everyone goes home safely, he said. "All lives matter."

Gray had a long history of run-ins with the law. A search of his name brings up more than 20 cases in the Maryland judiciary going back to 2007. They're mostly drug-related charges, though he was charged with second-degree assault, according to court documents.

He also spent a month in prion in 2013 for drug possession, and he was due in court Friday on another possession charge, Shields said.

Source and videos here:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/20/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-death/

 

[SabrinaDeep]

I find it ironic that you worry constantly about a country you profess to dislike instead of worrying about your own fucked up country. That was for Johan in case that wasn't obvious.

It's the beam and the mote. Or it might just be a case of denied green visa. Maybe when Bush was in office. Surely it is impressive not to ever see a word about the disasters that his former president Mr. Bruni together with Mr. Michelle have caused with their arabic spring campaign. But then i guess that a muslim would see such a campaign like a gift of Allah and that would explain a lot of things regarding the object of your irony.

 

[Supafly]

What do you guys want? One day you say you are the one who has to make sure your interests (Oh, right, putting up puppet governments and military bases are not just about your geopolitical gains), the other day you don't like for us to comment on your political dealings grow more and more fucked up and corrupted, which just leads to more warfare abroad.

EVERYTHING you do eventually makes the world world suffer in very short time.

So we are just doing it for our own wellbeing, aside from being caring about your 98%. You are sadly used to your fucked up system, so you, like Public Enemy said it so well, "Believe the Hype"

 

[Rey C.]

So basically, what you're saying is that if you run and get shot, you had it coming ?

Yes, that's essentially what he is saying. His argument rests on cops having no control over themselves to follow the laws of the United States of America. Rather than (true) law enforcement officers, he's more in favor of them just being a gang of thugs in blue uniforms.

You'll hear a lot of Americans whine about wanting limited government. But many, if not most of the ones who whine the loudest, don't really want that. Not really. What do they think law enforcement is??? This very much reminds me of the TEA party people who carried signs that stated, "Keep the government out of my Medicaid!" a few years ago. Oh yeah! Well, like the man in the movie said, "the world will always need ditch diggers."

A cop who violates the law is himself a criminal. And so, now that we no longer need or want a court system, by the arguments posed by some here, instead of arresting Officer Slagger, another cop should have just shot him on the spot. Is that what is being claimed by the Armchair Supreme Court Justices here? I mean, Slagger was armed and (obviously) dangerous, right? I mean, being armed and dangerous, capping him on the spot (hell, just shout "freeze!" after he's been tapped a couple of times in the chest - just check for smartphones with cameras beforehand) would be permissible, if I'm understanding how this works. Isn't that the basis for this pretzel logic argument, which removes all responsibility from law enforcement to actually follow the law of the land?

Since 9/11, way too many police forces around the U.S. have used taxpayer money to become small para-military forces. And they seem to have adopted the attitudes that come along with having too many pointless toys.