Every time I turned on Fox they were not even covering it. They were too busy ripping on Hillary.
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Every time I turned on Fox they were not even covering it. They were too busy ripping on Hillary.
what the fuck does "hoot nanny" mean? Is that some corn-fed klan talk that means "hootenanny"??
You don't understand why people label you a racist???? LOL Dude. How about your post about "those people" and their welfare etc??? think that just maybe that's why you appear to be a flaming racist??? hmmm????
The republicans who don't want to give medical care to sick poor people say shit like "they can go to the emergency room at the hospital" but now hospitals are refusing to treat gunshot victims in poor neighborhoods. The results of course are people who would otherwise be alive dying in ambulances being driven right by hospitals that could have helped them survive. So they will help someone who shows up with the sniffles which will cost tax payers $800 but won't treat someone with bullet holes in them.
And they say we live in a christian nation
You don't understand why people label you a racist???? LOL Dude. How about your post about "those people" and their welfare etc??? think that just maybe that's why you appear to be a flaming racist??? hmmm????
The republicans who don't want to give medical care to sick poor people say shit like "they can go to the emergency room at the hospital" but now hospitals are refusing to treat gunshot victims in poor neighborhoods. The results of course are people who would otherwise be alive dying in ambulances being driven right by hospitals that could have helped them survive. So they will help someone who shows up with the sniffles which will cost tax payers $800 but won't treat someone with bullet holes in them.
And they say we live in a christian nation
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
Do you have proof of this statement? By law a hospital HAS To call the police, if ANYONE comes in with a gunshot, or stab wound. Even if the person claims they did it to themselves while cleaning or handling a firearm...and it is obvious that it was. Even if a person comes in with severe wounds that could come from fighting, or being beaten. I can't see them being allowed to turn away someone that could be a possible criminal.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
It doesn't matter what you "feel", Whit, it matters what's legal. Do you believe in the constitution? And of course the media covers it. That's their job.
Actually, its happenning BECAUSE they follow instructions, which are : Do not take even a 1% chance, do not hesitate : shoot first. Then we'll come up with a story to cover your ass.
Just explaining how I feel. I'm tired of the press fueling that good black people are being gunned down by police. These encounters are 1% of the million of encounters with police everday. If they would have had respect for authority then MOST of these incidents would never happen. Where is the outrage over the teacher that got choked out and the kids started beating on her? That is more disturbing but that is just black on white crime so it doesn't count. That is where this all starts.
What are you talking about?
I'm not talking about the cops. Worry about your own country, you don't know any thing about America.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
I understand you are expressing feelings rather than purporting what you say to be the absolute truth so please carry on. I'm simply pointing out that there is no room within the law for supposition or speculation without corroboration.
GodsEmbryo
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Regardless of racial issues the United States has a significantly higher number of civilians killed by police than any other country in the west, or most major countries. To justify those numbers one might argue that liberal gun laws and higher crime rates in the US create more life threatening situations and therefore put officers at risk. But how the US police approaches matters is very different from Europe as well. I remember a story from my grandmother the first time she visited the US years ago: "When your car gets pulled over in Belgium, you immediately reach in the glovebox for your papers because you're going to need them anyway. But if you do that in the US... HOLY SHIT, he tought I was reaching for a gun or something!". I guess what I'm trying to say is their is something wrong with the approach of cops if they are instructed to see everything as a threat and distrust everyone.
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
You make avalid point, other then the liberal gun laws. Gun laws only affect the law abiding, criminals don't give a drivers license to a shop owner, and wait for the FBI check to come back. While it is clear that the older officer that sated he meant to tase, as opposed to shot the suspect, that guy was buying a firearm illegally, and clearly had no problem committing a felony, and had no regard for the law, by not only trying to break it, and running from it. I however absolutely agree with the rest of your post, and as a holder of a CCW, I have to follow certain rules, like telling the officer that pulls me over, I have a license, and whether or not I'm carrying. As a result of the fact that the world is full of scumbags, when I'm pulled over, I turn off the vehicle, turn on the interior lights, and roll down the window, and place my hands on the door. I have friends in law enforcement, and they have told me the horror stories. I also have heard the stories of asshole coworkers that probably shouldn't have a badge. But still, it isn't an easy job, and I think some of the cops that are bad, have gotten that way over time. I can also imagine that it gets unbelievably frustrating busting your ass to make good busts, only to see lawyers, juries, and judges decide some animal should be in prison, instead of out on the streets...AGAIN! Now don't get me wrong, I'm not making excuses for their behavior, but suggesting maybe there should be tighter rules on their hours and assignments, similarly to how a truck drivers rules of time for duty. I think much stronger laws should be placed on those that commit violent crimes, especially when a firearm is involved. Maybe some serious medieval shit...like cutting off trigger fingers...we talk about cutting off balls, for rapists.
You do know that there's not the law abiding citizens on one side and the law-abiding citizens on the other side, do you ? That every criminal used to be a law-abiding citizen before they turned to be criminals.
Since police are told to behave as if every people they run into is gonna draw a gun and shoot at them, why shouldn't the government implement laws assuming that every law-abiding citizen is a potential criminal ?
Supafly
Retired Mod
The escape story called "We can only regulate the good guys, so we can't aford to regulate at all" is a very convenient way of not having to go into any dscussion, let alone own investigations about wat are the problems, what can be begun to be done.
Do you really believe "they" want to take away EVERY gun in your hands?
What uses do you have for your guns? Self defense in your home and on the streets? Hunting? Or collecting rare pieces?
How can the thousands of children in the country who harm or kill themselves or others by playing with parents or siblings guns be handled?
In case you posess heavy semi- or fully automatic weapons - which war are you currently fighting? If you had to answer this - do you understand that government ("they", again) is bulking up to be able to investigate and, if possible, prevent, their own war-ready citizens who only need a spark to go ballistic?
Do you really believe "they" want to take away EVERY gun in your hands?
What uses do you have for your guns? Self defense in your home and on the streets? Hunting? Or collecting rare pieces?
How can the thousands of children in the country who harm or kill themselves or others by playing with parents or siblings guns be handled?
In case you posess heavy semi- or fully automatic weapons - which war are you currently fighting? If you had to answer this - do you understand that government ("they", again) is bulking up to be able to investigate and, if possible, prevent, their own war-ready citizens who only need a spark to go ballistic?
Wow just read through this entire thread and laughed out loud here in my office at 6am at redvideos statement "I know I'm labeled a racist but..." gee do ya think? lol You are publicly attempting to justify a cop shooting an unarmed man in the fucking back and then lying and planting his taser next to the body after he shot him! How can you NOT be a racist, unless of course your cock gets hard for men in uniform and you can't help yourself?
And yes I can provide proof of hospitals denying treatment of gunshot victims. An episode of Vice last year was about the violence on the south side of Chicago and how the victims were dying at a higher rate because of how far they had to go in the ambulance to get to a hospital that would treat them. You would really enjoy that episode...it shows a lot of ignorant black men smoking weed and speaking in urban slang and being everything horrible that you see the entire race as being, other than your 1 black friend of which you are so proud. The way they are getting around this legally is they have closed their Level 1 trauma centers because they aren't "cost effective" which means they don't make as much money because more than 70% of gunshot victims don't have health care.
Here are some links
http://www.rcityunlimited.com/2014/05/university-of-chicago-refuses-to-help.html
https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AAIBAJ&sjid=6_sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1272,109758&hl=en
http://www.businessinsider.com/hospitals-saving-money-by-not-treating-gunshot-victims-2012-1
http://www.wbez.org/news/report-lin...-trauma-centers-higher-mortality-rates-106732
And yes I can provide proof of hospitals denying treatment of gunshot victims. An episode of Vice last year was about the violence on the south side of Chicago and how the victims were dying at a higher rate because of how far they had to go in the ambulance to get to a hospital that would treat them. You would really enjoy that episode...it shows a lot of ignorant black men smoking weed and speaking in urban slang and being everything horrible that you see the entire race as being, other than your 1 black friend of which you are so proud. The way they are getting around this legally is they have closed their Level 1 trauma centers because they aren't "cost effective" which means they don't make as much money because more than 70% of gunshot victims don't have health care.
Here are some links
http://www.rcityunlimited.com/2014/05/university-of-chicago-refuses-to-help.html
https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AAIBAJ&sjid=6_sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1272,109758&hl=en
http://www.businessinsider.com/hospitals-saving-money-by-not-treating-gunshot-victims-2012-1
http://www.wbez.org/news/report-lin...-trauma-centers-higher-mortality-rates-106732
Mr. Daystar
In a bell tower, watching you through cross hairs.
I urge EVERYONE to read these links.
I have only been labeled a racist by you, and a couple of other ultra left wing liberals, that believe being a racist means, not getting on your knees, and begging forgiveness, for the actions of someone else's ancestors from 2 centuries ago. I'm considered a racist, because I won't accept bullshit excuses, for poor behavior, and criminal activity. I'm not the one running around trying to inflame everyone with obvious race baiting. With obvious malicious intent, just to start arguments, and trouble. Your typical move, berate, and accuse. disrespect all of those that disagree with you, call people names, and try to stir up drama, then point an accusing finger.
I need you to point to EXACTLY where I justified the shooting of a man in the back, and more importantly, where there is any mention of the planting of a taser. The old man that shot the fleeing criminal in the back, stated he meant to tase the criminal, and not shoot him. He obviously shouldn't have been in this situation at all, he should have been used as a traffic cop, during malfunctioning traffic lights, or accident traffic control. He probably will be charged with manslaughter, which he should be. It wasn't malicious, and premeditated, but he made a mistake that needs to be paid for. I clearly stated the cop in North Carolina, that shot the fleeing suspect in the back 5 times, is being charged with murder, as he should be. I'm fucking begging you to show me, and the rest of the board where I justified his actions, and where I said he should get anything more then any other criminal would get...his day in court.
Now, the links. You, quite frankly have failed.
Link #1...No one was refused because of race, they were refused because they weren't 16 years of age, or younger. If you can show proof of a 15 year old being refused, we can reexamine this one. Considering the Democrats have Illinois Solidly locked up...including the home of your new messiah, I can't see the republicans being to blame for the state of affairs in that state. In fact, they have extremely strict gun laws in Illinois, and some of the highest crime rates. The University of Chicago, is a private school...they may not be obligated to treat anyone.
Link #2...No one was refused because of race. The victim wasn't in the state of Florida, and would have had to undergo travel time, unless the Bahamas had a trauma center. As far as the hospitals refusing to admit him, the only conclusion I can gather is, non of them had the facilities to treat him, and have had to make cut backs, because far to many people were suing, which drove up malpractice insurance rates, causing doctors and hospitals to eliminate programs, and services. That is unfortunate, but something that obama should have addressed, along with a VERY long list of problems that should have been corrected, BEFORE he pulled this "affordable health care act" bullshit. The article also states, while it is an ongoing problem, that was the FIRST time, it's been that serious, when a critically injured person was involved. So while I have no solid proof, I will go right ahead, and take a shot in the dark, at the following...no pun intended. Doctors are treating people that come in with gunshot wounds, and being sued for malpractice, when the patient dies. So, there are only a few ways to get shot. Lets take a look, shall we.
An innocent bystander, takes a stray bullet from only a handful of possibilities, the least likely is a hunting accident, the most likely is criminal activity. So a criminal gets rushed to the hospital, he was doing wrong, and it bit him in the ass, he gets rushed to the hospital, dies under their care, and even though, he was given treatment, and they tried to help him, his family sues, because of something he probably got himself into, and has no one to blame for, but himself. Now, if the person is an innocent bystander, or a victim, they have to pay the ultimate price, because of some other scumbags wrong doing, and the vengeful greed of that low life's family.
Link #3...No one was refused because of race. In fact on one was refused admittance. Victims of stab and gunshot wounds were treated case by case, with a non-surgery method. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Again, here are somethings that obama should have worked on fixing, long before he wasted our time and money, when he could have been ending the war, or bringing back jobs and fixing the economy.
Link #4...No one was refused because of race. In fact, all of the people in the study were black. The article deals with geographic location, and where the trauma centers are, in relation to where the victim is shot. This has nothing to do with Republicans either, as I stated above, Democrats rule Illinois and strict gun laws prevail. The fact that there are no trauma centers in a certain area of Chicago, is hardly a fault of any political party, or race. This is a case of no private medical company wanting to build a facility in the area needed, perhaps you may need to move to Chicago, and start a grass roots campaign to construct the proper facilities.
I do love the way you like to twist this. As a result of all the poor people not having insurance, and the evil medical corporations wanting to save money. The first article, has no date. The second one, is almost TWENTY years old, obama was probably still worrying about where he was gonna get a bag of weed back then! The other three, were dated AFTER obama signed the care act into law...where was their coverage, to get treatment? If they were insured would they still have been turned away? Was the man from the second link a citizen of the United States, and eligible for benefits? This, like most of your posts, is clearly a biased attempt to race bait, start trouble, and portray all blacks as oppressed, and targeted victims by every aspect of law enforcement, and the "white devil", that is, honest, feed up and sick and tired middle America. A group of dwindling people, that work very hard for their money, and are just a little sick and tired of paying for everyone else,s free ride. It has nothing to do with race....white trash can work just as easily as blacks can, and I'm damn tired of seeing my money go to help anyone, that could, and should be helping themselves. Just because I don't feel it's right, for my tax dollars to go towards medical benefits for an illegal alien, doesn't mean I'm racist...It means I'm sick and tired of paying the bill for other people. The affordable health care act, isn't so affordable for me. I still have to pay for my benefits, and it sure as hell isn't cheap. I don't get a free phone, and believe me when I tell you, I know a couple of guys that have more then one. Because they lied, and scammed the system.
And yes, I am proud of my one black friend, he's a good man. He works hard, and is a single father, raising a baby by himself, after fighting for custody, and winning. You see, he doesn't live up to the stereotype, and he doesn't perpetuate it either. He will be the first person to tell you he's tired of seeing his tax dollars go to people that are abusing the system, and the first to tell you when one of his own, is a fucking idiot, and deserves everything he gets.
Just because someone doesn't go out of his way to watch interracial porn, and bug the shit out of models that don't do it, or because a person speaks the truth, and treats people the way they deserve to be treated, doesn't make him a racist...it makes him honest.
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
"Where a suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so."
If you ever get on the Supreme Court, you can work to change that. But for right now, what I stated is the law. The officer drawing his sidearm and firing is the root cause of this incident. The guy could have run three laps around the parking lot, barking like a dog and screaming obscenities, all the while refusing to stop or surrender. It would have still been against the law for the cop to shoot him in the back. That is the law!
As for the 73 year old, I've been around guns all my life. And though I'm a good bit younger than this twat, with a light touch of the hand, I could easily pick out a P38 from a P08 from a Glock 22 from a Sig 226 with a blindfold and gloves on - and I'm not a cop. So if this fucking geezer couldn't tell a taser from a pistol (of ANY type), that tells me right there that he had NO business being allowed to buy his way onto the Podunk police force where this happened.
I have never argued what is against the law. I said that if you resist arrest or run from the police, then you are stupid. If your excuse is that you're going to get beat up, killed, or blamed for something you did do, then what do you think is going to happen if you run?
Supafly
Retired Mod
So what is the justified result, in YOUR opinion? Is it: You run in a direction away, you just have it coming? The actual law does not matter, the law of the street applies? I get the impression that is what you think is how it just is, and, as you happen to be no black person, you are okay with it.
Is that how you feel?
Rey C.
Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
I'm not saying that it's not stupid to run from a cop. I think it is. What I took issue with was your statement: If he wouldn't have run this would NOT have happened!. Anyone with even the most basic knowledge of firearms safety knows that if you don't put your finger on the trigger, generally speaking, the weapon will not discharge. But Officer Slagger knew that he'd fucked up, and that's why he (allegedly) dropped the taser beside the guy after he was already dead. If he'd been in the right, he wouldn't have done that, would he?
What I'm saying is exactly what the law states. Whether you run, jog or walk away from a cop, if you pose no threat to him or others, it is against the law for him to use deadly force. But because this cop did, now he will probably have to go to a bad place, with people who have the same fondness for cops as they do for child molesters. So while (ex) Officer Slagger is getting ass raped in Cell Block C in a year or two, would you agree that "If he wouldn't have shot an unarmed guy, this corn-holing would NOT be happening!"??? Cause if you would say that, I'd have to agree with you.
I'm sorry, but I don't give cops, or anybody else, a special pass when they fuck up. I don't believe in the concept of "protected classes".
So basically, what you're saying is that if you run and get shot, you had it coming ?
