Is Tony Soprano dead?

[meesterperfect]

Another thing that comes to mind is this, Phil Leotardo always said that the Jersey family was nothing more then a glorified crew, and even though everything with NY had been resolved, most, of the leadership in Tony's family had been killed off. Silvio died in the hospital, Bobby was killed, etc. The only one was Pauly Walnuts, and he had a great relationship with Johnny Sacs, and I think originally came from NY, and had a standing offer to become a member of that family any time he wanted. It wouldn't be unreasonable to believe that even if things were settled, that there would be some that want to eliminate the Jersey crew entirely, and move into the territory.

i dont want tp split hairs here but they never spoke of silvio dying.
he was in the hospital shot up but not dead.
and johnny sacks was bullshittig paulie all along.
the boss carmine didnt even know who paulie was thats why paulie told about the fat joke against sacks wife.

what's left of the jersey crew is paulie, patsy, bennie and walden if tony was whacked and maybe a few lesser associates.

but it does make sense that some new york family would want tony dead and the crew eliminated for killing phil.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

i dont want tp split hairs here but they never spoke of silvio dying.
he was in the hospital shot up but not dead.
and johnny sacks was bullshittig paulie all along.
the boss carmine didnt even know who paulie was thats why paulie told about the fat joke against sacks wife.

what's left of the jersey crew is paulie, patsy, bennie and walden if tony was whacked and maybe a few lesser associates.

but it does make sense that some new york family would want tony dead and the crew eliminated for killing phil.

I seem to remember them showing Sil in his hospital bed, and the machine going to that solid beep that signifies vital organs have stopped.

I also recall Paulie and Johnny talking after Carmine had died, and Johnny was moved into top position.

Paulie didn't make the fat joke, that was Ralph, the one that killed the race horse, and Tony killed in the kitchen.

 

[Rey C.]

Or we could type about why the assholes who made Deadwood stopped after the third season, or what might have happened if The Wire went on for more seasons.

Now that was one helluva show! :thumbsup:

A lot of people seemed pissed about its final episode too. But from Michael becoming the new Omar, Dookie (sic?) becoming the new Bubbles and Marlo unable to just take his money and walk away from "the game", we could see that the cycle was just going to continue. It said to us that we just saw a slice in time, a snapshot, of how those people lived, and how they'll continue living... as long as the "drug war" continues. I liked that ending. I was satisfied with it. Maybe a bit spoon fed, but not too much, IMO. I've listened to interviews with Ed Burns, David Simon and others associated with The Wire, and I thought they planned that series out (from beginning to end) better than the producers and writers of The Sopranos did. :2 cents: Although I still think "Pine Barrens" and some of the episodes that Anabella Sciorra appeared in were some of the best acted and best written TV episodes I've ever seen.

As for the end, in my mind, Tony's face was blown off by one of the diner patrons (simply how I "wrote" it for me ). And as the gunman (whose face we never see) walks out the door, he drops the gun and picks up a box of cannolis. Afterall, I think the show was at its best when there was some cruel, but humorous irony.

 

[alton88]

Or we could type about why the assholes who made Deadwood stopped after the third season, or what might have happened if The Wire went on for more seasons.

Now that was one helluva show! :thumbsup:

A lot of people seemed pissed about its final episode too. But from Michael becoming the new Omar, Dookie (sic?) becoming the new Bubbles and Marlo unable to just take his money and walk away from "the game", we could see that the cycle was just going to continue. It said to us that we just saw a slice in time, a snapshot, of how those people lived, and how they'll continue living... as long as the "drug war" continues. I liked that ending. I was satisfied with it. Maybe a bit spoon fed, but not too much, IMO. I've listened to interviews with Ed Burns, David Simon and others associated with The Wire, and I thought they planned that series out (from beginning to end) better than the producers and writers of The Sopranos did. :2 cents: Although I still think "Pine Barrens" and some of the episodes that Anabella Sciorra appeared in were some of the best acted and best written TV episodes I've ever seen.

As for the end, in my mind, Tony's face was blown off by one of the diner patrons (simply how I "wrote" it for me ). And as the gunman (whose face we never see) walks out the door, he drops the gun and picks up a box of cannolis. Afterall, I think the show was at its best when there was some cruel, but humorous irony.

They say great minds think alike and this is a perfect example. :2 cents:

I really enjoyed Tony Soprano and the gang, but it was the extra layer of quality in the writing that for me puts 'The Wire' in a league of its own.

BTW
Does any one recall the episode of The Sopranos where two mob hoods casually escort two Russian guys into the woods for execution. Then the real action starts when the Russians escape and the hunters become the hunted. :surprise:

 

[Rey C.]

BTW
Does any one recall the episode of The Sopranos where two mob hoods casually escort two Russian guys into the woods for execution. Then the real action starts when the Russians escape and the hunters become the hunted. :surprise:

Although I still think "Pine Barrens" and some of the episodes that Anabella Sciorra appeared in were some of the best acted and best written TV episodes I've ever seen.

Oh yeah. That's the one I mentioned above. And the episodes before and after "Pine Barrens" were (IMO) the basis of the best story arc of the entire series. Until the final episodes of the final season, I thought the series had begun to lose its luster. There'd be a great episode one week and then a stinker the next. Course they'd always build up next week's episode with fantastic teaser trailers at the end of each week - too bad they couldn't deliver more consistently. But I think it was the season before the last when I'd usually get up from the set saying, "I can't believe I'm still watching this!"

I learned something from reading Maildude's post. It sounds like the ending was based on Chase's resentment and anger as much as trying to be creative. Oh well...

And yeah, The Wire was (for the most part) written on a whole different level than The Sopranos. It was truly written as if it were a novel... and just happened to be a TV show.

P.S. As a side note, isn't it interesting that for awhile, HBO had about the best dramas on TV: The Wire, The Sopranos, Rome, etc. I dropped HBO after the last of those shows went off the air. Now AMC seems to have the best shows - although the twats dropped Rubicon a week or so back!

 

[alton88]

Oh yeah. That's the one I mentioned above. And the episodes before and after "Pine Barrens" were (IMO) the basis of the best story arc of the entire series. Until the final episodes of the final season, I thought the series had begun to lose its luster. There'd be a great episode one week and then a stinker the next. Course they'd always build up next week's episode with fantastic teaser trailers at the end of each week - too bad they couldn't deliver more consistently. But I think it was the season before the last when I'd usually get up from the set saying, "I can't believe I'm still watching this!"

"Pine Barrens" it is. :clap: I can still visualise the look of horror on their smug faces when they finally realised they had become the prey. :surprise: A grade American drama.

I was like you, I'd watch one or two, then when the standards dropped I'd stop watching, then come back a few weeks later. It's all about maintaining the quality of the writing and the actors and director will take care of the rest.

I learned something from reading Maildude's post. It sounds like the ending was based on Chase's resentment and anger as much as trying to be creative. Oh well...

I haven't seen that yet I'll check it out later today.

And yeah, The Wire was (for the most part) written on a whole different level than The Sopranos. It was truly written as if it were a novel... and just happened to be a TV show.

True.

P.S. As a side note, isn't it interesting that for awhile, HBO had about the best dramas on TV: The Wire, The Sopranos, Rome, etc. I dropped HBO after the last of those shows went off the air. Now AMC seems to have the best shows - although the twats dropped Rubicon a week or so back!

I quite fancy a side note myself. Rome was the shit. I loved It. I think is was a joint British and HBO production, but I could be wrong.

Truth be told I only started watching Rome because Indira Varma was in it. I'll watch at least the first episode of anything she's in. Then if it's crap I'll stop watching. If I ever get my hands on that Indian princess Indira, I'd show Ms Varma the real meaning of "interracial love". :kiss: Stuff that up your pipe and smoke it, Revamp. :1orglaugh

I know I'm a bit off topic, but I'm sure perfect won't mind. He's such a gent.

 

[Lust]

no, he's outside looking in

 

[Rey C.]

Another fan of Rome!

I quite fancy a side note myself. Rome was the shit. I loved It. I think is was a joint British and HBO production, but I could be wrong.

Truth be told I only started watching Rome because Indira Varma was in it. I'll watch at least the first episode of anything she's in. Then if it's crap I'll stop watching. If I ever get my hands on that Indian princess Indira, I'd show Ms Varma the real meaning of "interracial love". :kiss: Stuff that up your pipe and smoke it, Revamp. :1orglaugh

I know I'm a bit off topic, but I'm sure perfect won't mind. He's such a gent.

I'm a (self-described) Romaphile. My girlfriend's brother-in-law has a masters in history... and he can school me on the subject without even trying. He's a bit annoying at times, but he's taught me SO much and told me which books to read and which ones to avoid. Even though I knew it had a lot of historically inaccurate holes in it, I thought it was a great series! For Christmas, he and his wife gave me the complete series on DVD. I doubt I'll watch it with them though, because I know he'll spend all of his time pointing out the historical holes.

But yeah, it was a joint venture between HBO and the BBC. As the production costs went crazy, I think it was HBO that pulled the plug. The good news is, Bruno Heller is working on a movie version that's going to include the same actors who played Lucius and Pullo. :nanner: The guy who played Pullo said both he and the other actor had agreed to do it.

And yes, my friend, Indira Varma was one :flame: little number in Rome. Miss Girlfriend gave me "K@ma Sutra: A Tale of Love" for Christmas (about all I got was DVD's!). Indira is in that too. She was also in the series "Luther" that was on BBC America this fall. If I thought I had a chance with her, I would add Indira to the "One Free Pass" list that me and gal-pal have. And Revamp would have to cover his little eyes and ears to avoid knowing about the nasty things I would do to that Indian hottie! She'd be ready to eat beef steak when I was done.

If I find out anything about the movie version of Rome, I'll update you. :thumbsup:

 

[Namreg]

yes, he's dead. fat poisoning.

 

[meesterperfect]

no, he's outside looking in

nice..........nice
its even got the same amount of syllables.
it should be re-recorded like that.

 

[meesterperfect]

now that its whirred in my mind for a few days plus the insight of a few posts here particularly maildudes i have come to a conclusion.
he didnt get whacked.

the writers and producers just wanted it to appear like that may have happened just to mess with us.
phil is dead and his top guys went on board with tony beforehand.
also little carmine liked tony and was on his side, and he would have been acting boss after phil.

plus the song by journey.
big clue there, i think they chose that song for a purpose:

Workin' hard to get my fill
Everybody wants a thrill
Payin' anything to roll the dice
Just one more time
Some will win
Some will lose
Some were born to sing the blues
Oh, the movie never ends
It goes on and on and on and on


it goes on and on and on and on...........

 

[alexpnz]

For what it's worth MP, I saw Jimmy Gandolfini walking a Great Dane the size of Seabiscuit, around Tribeca about 2 months ago on a Sat. morning! :dunno:

Fucking guy is big as a house...

 

[D-rock]

the writers and producers just wanted it to appear like that may have happened just to mess with us.

Of course there is also the possibility that they themselves have no clue and they never bothered to come up with what officially happened at the end for it.

 

[meesterperfect]

really?
he lives there ?
i read that Michael Imperioli lives there as well.

another thing i just picked up on in the journey lyrics:

working hard to get my fiil

it was hard work to get phil, he was in hiding for days.
it was the FBI guys tip that made it happen.

Of course there is also the possibility that they themselves have no clue and they never bothered to come up with what officially happened at the end for it.

of course, thats probably 100% true.

 

[alexpnz]

really?
he lives there ?
i read that Michael Imperioli lives there as well.

LOTS of $ in the Real Estate down there.
They ALL live in that area:
Jay Z and Beyonce
Bob DeNiro
Hugh Jackman
Dame Dash
Adriana Lima
Diddy
Exectutives, Actors, Models.....etc,etc,etc.

 

[Rey C.]

I just caught part of a documentary about the Joysey mobsters that The Sopranos was supposedly based on (the DeCavalcantes). So if Tony was based on Vinny "Ocean" Palermo, I guess he became a rat, went into witness protection and opened a strip club in Texas. :dunno:

 

[gunslingingbird]

No, he's not dead; the Dolphins just gave him a 2-year contract extension instead of getting a coach who can get things done.

 

[24 Grams]

For OP, go to google and search Soprano's ending (if you haven't already).

The writers of the Soprano's got a lot of their influences from movies like the Godfather (unsurprisingly). I can't remember but I think in the beginning of the last episode of the Soprano's it begins with the camera looking down at Tony as if he's in a grave and the final scene resembles a scene from one of the Godfather scene's (where someone get whacked) and there's something about the jacket the guy who supposedly whacks Tony is wearing (like I said above search google).

Having said all that he's only dead if you see him dead...otherwise.

 

[meesterperfect]

yeah the final scene was like the godfather with the going into the toilet.
the guys is wearing a members only jacket which was mentioned in an early episode and the title of it also.

 

[maildude]

I dunno, but the NY/NJ mafia might be:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110120/ap_on_re_us/us_mob_arrests