Many programs use companies to actively search and take down their stolen content. Millions of DMCA requests each year are send out each year in their name to get their customers content down. It's a whole business actually.
Is the Adult Film Industry suffering because of all the free porn on the Internet?
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Many programs use companies to actively search and take down their stolen content. Millions of DMCA requests each year are send out each year in their name to get their customers content down. It's a whole business actually.
No. If a guy wants to see something in particular (or is obsessed with a specific person), he will still pay to see it. He can't help himself.
No, not at all. Someone is buying these movies because they are still being made. An example would be the endless porn parodies coming out and countless titles you see marketed from Jules Jordan, Elegant and Evil Angel video lines. The same goes for the other studios as well. I remember reading an article in Wired magazine several years ago stating that there was something like 22 porn movies being made a day in LA. IMO, It's not the pirating of the content, it the saturation and redistribution of the porn product with the current technology available.
Considering the number of people who say they'd never buy porn, some going so far as to laugh at the idea, I'd tend to think that, yes, it has an effect. All of the stuff out there that costs money has to compete with all of the stuff that's out there for free, be it samples or stolen. And $0 is a tough price point to compete with. Of course, it's hard to say who might buy what if there were a dearth of free porn so it's basically impossible to judge what the impact it has been or how much damage is done. Really though, it's almost impossible to seriously deny that there's been an impact. Think about it for a moment; this is a porn board, and there are a lot of posters here who will flatly admit that they have never or would never buy porn. That's from people on a porn board, from folks who, realistically, are likely to be more interested in pornography than the average person and thus, one would imagine, more prone to buy it than the average person.
Lacey Black
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All the free content definitely hurts the industry. And not just the adult film industry but the entertainment industry as a whole. For some reason over the last 5 years people have been more and more opposed to paying for Porn, Music, Movies, Games, etc. Sadly most people do not realize that if they do not pay for the content they enjoy then the people that created it will have no reason to make more of it.
SabrinaDeep
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Ok. I can't refrain from speaking out loud anymore...do you wanna know my truth? Do you wanna know what ruined porn, in my opinion? Affiliates and those who dig to hire the worst affiliation prostitutes available towards the end of the golden era and later. We are still paying the fee for that. Affiliates as a whole (excluding the pros of course) have taken the industry by the balls, especially the middle/small players, and have arrested the development, the innovation, the common sense. Now feel free to shoot me of course, but that's what i think to have been the cause of the fall of porn; however, that generation of affiliates is disappearing rapidly these days because their supporters are shutting down and i reckon that creativity, good business and innovation will be paramount again in our industry.
You don't understand what i'm talking about? Think 100$ per free signup and ask yourself how is that possible and what the long term consequences will be.
You don't understand what i'm talking about? Think 100$ per free signup and ask yourself how is that possible and what the long term consequences will be.
Harley Spencer
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Personally I think that it is hurting the industry. If there wasn't so much free content, people would be forced to pay for it. Maybe we would have less fans then since some of them can't afford to pay for it, but I think it's safe to say that a good percentage of people don't pay for it simply because they don't have to.
It is good to give out little snippets of free stuff from time to time in order to market yourself and please some fans, but at this point there's just too much free stuff in my opinion. Way too much.
It is good to give out little snippets of free stuff from time to time in order to market yourself and please some fans, but at this point there's just too much free stuff in my opinion. Way too much.
SabrinaDeep
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Just out of curiosity, Harley: how much of your stuff is out for free without your approval?
Harley Spencer
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So far as I'm aware, none. If there is, it's not leaked anywhere that's popular enough to make a difference. But that's not my point, I'm not talking about stolen content, I'm talking about content in general that's put out for free, whether with approval or not.
SabrinaDeep
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Ok, i understand. It's just that this thread goes from stolen content to free authorized content as if it was the same and so i'm trying to understand, based on what some people say about free content ruining porn. I rest my case and say that most of the free content out there is authorized and in big chunks is put out there through affiliates who have no creativity at all...in fact they just pretend the content to be leaked to be 100% ready and this is what eventually affect our industry because everything is flattened, thrown out there without any criteria and unsupported by any marketing strategy = it's not free porn ruining the industry, but rather bad industry letting look free samples bad and not productive, eventually.
Harley Spencer
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Right. I'm not all that familiar with unauthorized content being released as opposed to it being leaked with permission (so meaning I don't know what the percentages would be, like how often is content released for free without permission compared to authorized content?), but either way, whether it's with or without permission, audiences have a way to see it without having to pay for it, therefore if they don't have to pay for it, they're not going to. I'd say there's a high percentage of people who watch porn without having a particular person in mind, so they don't care to sign up for a specific site, they just look at porn in general, and if they can look at it without having to pay, they're gonna do it.
Now I bet if you cut all the free content at least in half, there'd be more buyers. Maybe shorten videos to partial videos- instead of releasing full length free videos, only release clips, partial sections of it, and if people want to see the rest, they will be required to sign up somewhere to see it. That's just an idea though, it most certainly wouldn't fix the entire issue, it's just a smidgen of a thought. An example.
I don't think free content is ruining porn, but I do think it's probably making it harder to be successful in the industry. Whether it's pirated or a sample, it's out there and is competition for anyone trying to sell something. If someone's needs are met for free, they aren't likely to want to pay. :dunno: Which means trying to find niches to fill, or alternative ways to appeal to the market which is almost invariably going to be a trial and error process.
I think you are in a dying industry. Look at all forms of media whether music, pictures or film. Everyone downloads stuff for nothing. Not me of course as I am unadulterated, clean and pure.
SabrinaDeep
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Happy i think i know what you and others mean, but it always end up like "i don't know, i think, i'm not sure, it might contribute". In every business those who are forced out of biz will tell you that they were forced out of biz because of something or someone else, it's never their fault. It's call competition and changes and when competition is high and changes happen ppl do go out of biz and ppl do come in. When TV came out it was the end of radio, according to the radio industry and not only, but yet some new competitors with innovative ideas came into the radio biz and built very profitable radio empires. It will always be like this.
Also, don't be fooled by all the complainers in porn: most are competitors who give themselves the label of pornsters just because they show tits and pussies on the net; well, they are not necessarily industry players, to be honest. It takes more than a camera and a pair of tits in front of it to qualify as a porn biz entrepreneur. A business, in any industry, i s something very complex which goes beyond crafting a product or a service.
You're not disagreeing with anything I've said. Really, you're not disagreeing with anything anyone has said. You're just emphasizing something we all acknowledge: that it's a competition. The questions is whether free content has an effect, and the answer is yes; it makes that competition harder. Harder, not impossible. Everyone who stops being a consumer because their needs are sated by free product means less money into the industry leading to more competition for the remainder. This is true of any business. Everyone competes for market share, and how voracious and difficult that competition will be will always depend on the number of competitors and the size of the market. With every potential consumer who opts out you're looking at market decline and the battle becoming more uphill as there are fewer shinnies for all of the hands to grab.
Obviously personal responsibility is still an issue, but it's also true that a tougher market is a tougher market.
SabrinaDeep
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Ok: who leaks the free content? If we agree that it's the industry leaking the free content (and you must agree because it is the industry who leaks the free content, trust me: look at how has paid account on tubes and what it's leaked through those accounts), then we must ask ourselves: why are they leaking the free content and then complaining about it?
You think free content is affecting the industry negatively? In which way? All the industry? Part of it? Do you think i'm negatively affected by the free porn? Nope i'm not, because i don't leak more free porn that it's organic to my biz model and profits grow. Is Brazzers affected by the free porn that they leak? I don't think so. Is Vicky Vette affected by it? I don't think so. Freeones is based on the concept of free porn. Aren't tubes part of the porn industry too? Are they affected negatively by their own biz model? Is one of the fastest growing and most successful and yet relatively new productions company such as GirlFriendsFilms affcted negatively by free porn? Not that i know. Whom and why free porn does affect negatively in this industry? This i not a question that you can just dismiss with the fact that everybody disagree with me. It's a question that needs an answer and from that answer maybe you can understand better what's the point i'm trying to make here.
Regarding non-pirated content? The answer is pretty simple; advertising. While it may cause market decline, it also has the potential to increase your market share, gaining you a larger piece of a smaller pie. Realistically you have to advertise to compete. It's just the nature of the beast, but it's also a double edged sword. The more people advertise, the more people there are who advertise, the more free stuff is out there to help sate the market. It has the potential to make you more money at the expense of shrinking the potential consumer base of the entire industry, thereby decreasing the available resources and increasing competition.
Lets say you win that competition and you come out ahead. Sure. That's nice. But it doesn't change the fact that the industry is effected. Even if you're getting them there's fewer resources going in.
The industry as a whole is effected, though that doesn't necessarily mean that any individual competitor taken out of context is seeing less profits. In fact, they might even be seeing more (again, bigger piece of a smaller pie). That's not the question though. The question isn't how free content effects competitors, it's whether it effects the industry. Individual competitors are one part of the puzzle, not the whole.
No one is disagreeing with you though, and you aren't disagreeing with anyone else. Unless you disavow the idea that there are potential consumers out there who will not pay because the free porn that exists sates their desire for porn (and I've not seen you suggest that). The only issue seems to be one of semantics.
SabrinaDeep
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Ok Happy, it makes sense what you are saying and i couldn't disagree with your analysis. But then i'm probably interpreting the OP question wrongly. Does the porn industry suffer from free content? I don't think so. Free content is nowdays part of the industry and as such it affects it and its players one way or another; but my understanding was that the OP was asking if the current decline of the industry is caused by free porn; and i think it's not the case.
The industry is suffering from lack of innovation, from a stagnating biz model, from short sighted movers, from obtuse industry representatives, from a ghettoized and masonic attitude which has flattened and disqualified the final product through the years, from auto reference, from disgracefully aggressive affiliate campaigns, but not from free porn: if free porn (and again, we are not talking stolen content here) was so bad, nobody would benefit from it and instead many players benefit from it and many others are totally unaffected by it. Then yes, some players go out of biz because of free porn but that's because they don't have any biz model, plan, assets, idea of how to conduct a biz and today they go out of biz because of free porn, and yet yesterday they couldn't have got into the biz in first place at all without the chance to post some free stuff on tubes and social networks, so they don't fit into the statistics, in my opinion.
So, yeah, i guess it's about semantic and how i have interpreted the OP question.
The industry is suffering from lack of innovation, from a stagnating biz model, from short sighted movers, from obtuse industry representatives, from a ghettoized and masonic attitude which has flattened and disqualified the final product through the years, from auto reference, from disgracefully aggressive affiliate campaigns, but not from free porn: if free porn (and again, we are not talking stolen content here) was so bad, nobody would benefit from it and instead many players benefit from it and many others are totally unaffected by it. Then yes, some players go out of biz because of free porn but that's because they don't have any biz model, plan, assets, idea of how to conduct a biz and today they go out of biz because of free porn, and yet yesterday they couldn't have got into the biz in first place at all without the chance to post some free stuff on tubes and social networks, so they don't fit into the statistics, in my opinion.
So, yeah, i guess it's about semantic and how i have interpreted the OP question.
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