Is chivalry dead?

[marquis2]

Chivalry is a separate thing from having manners. A gentleman is someone who has manners.

Chivalry died when history moved off from the Middle Ages. Being a Gentleman became a detriment after the 60s. It wasn't the rise of feminism that killed off a man being a gentleman. It was the 80s and greed and excess that killed off being a gentleman.


Manners are dead.

My Dad said that a gentleman can be recognised by
He never drinks from a bottle
He remembers to remove his hat when going indoors
He never leaves the toilet seat up.

Manners was always about knowing the right way to do things, about treating people with respect.Also of course it was a demonstration of self control.

 

[themrose]

Honestly I don't see it anywhere these days. Last week, in the early morning, on my way home from work, I saw a lady that was stranded on the side of the road with her kids. There car looked like it was broken down so I got out and asked if I could help. Instead of her accepting my offer or at least politely saying no, i got an earful about "what, do you think because I'm a woman I can't get my own damn car fixed! you men always think you're the only ones to know how but I'll have you know my car is just out of gas and I can WALK TO THE GAS STATION MYSELF!" I got back in my truck and left. I know better than to offer my help where it's not wanted, and that woman definitely showed that she didn't want my MALE help. So fuck'r, if she wants to be that stuck up I won't run down to the gas station and get her a few gallons of gas so that her and her kids aren't stranded on the side of the road in below twenty degree weather. It's not just women though, it's people in general that seem not to care anymore. Earlier this week I spilled 64 ounces of coffee on myself and wrecked my truck into a ditch. At least a dozen cars sped by me on the OTHER side of the road without so much as offering to help, despite the fact that I was on the ground literally unable to stand up and screaming my lungs out for someone to stop and help me. Someone finally did after about fifteen minutes but by then I had almost passed out from the pain and had to be taken to the emergency room. What the hell happened to doing a good deed for a stranger? I've always tried to, even if it means going out of my way for someone, but people just really seem not to understand these concepts anymore. it's all about themselves and the important things they have to do

 

[J_Mags]

Manners are not dead. There are a few men who still respect and are polite with women (I for one do, yet whether or not you choose to believe that is up to you. It's not exactly like I can prove it here...) but in my own life I have found that even fewer women like, or even care, if you are a good person. Many times I've opened doors and tried to be a good man by doing generally nice things, only to receive most often a stern look or a scolding where I'm called a sexist pig. I will always continue to use manners though, because it's how I was raised, and there ARE a few women who appreciate it. And those are the women I truly want to know.

 

[Alyssa Rose]

Honestly I don't see it anywhere these days. Last week, in the early morning, on my way home from work, I saw a lady that was stranded on the side of the road with her kids. There car looked like it was broken down so I got out and asked if I could help. Instead of her accepting my offer or at least politely saying no, i got an earful about "what, do you think because I'm a woman I can't get my own damn car fixed! you men always think you're the only ones to know how but I'll have you know my car is just out of gas and I can WALK TO THE GAS STATION MYSELF!" I got back in my truck and left. I know better than to offer my help where it's not wanted, and that woman definitely showed that she didn't want my MALE help. So fuck'r, if she wants to be that stuck up I won't run down to the gas station and get her a few gallons of gas so that her and her kids aren't stranded on the side of the road in below twenty degree weather. It's not just women though, it's people in general that seem not to care anymore. Earlier this week I spilled 64 ounces of coffee on myself and wrecked my truck into a ditch. At least a dozen cars sped by me on the OTHER side of the road without so much as offering to help, despite the fact that I was on the ground literally unable to stand up and screaming my lungs out for someone to stop and help me. Someone finally did after about fifteen minutes but by then I had almost passed out from the pain and had to be taken to the emergency room. What the hell happened to doing a good deed for a stranger? I've always tried to, even if it means going out of my way for someone, but people just really seem not to understand these concepts anymore. it's all about themselves and the important things they have to do

Well I think the whole idea of 'chivalry' is kind of just stupid. Why should it just be men who are 'courteous'? why not women AND men? I used to drive a 98 Malibu (this car was my baby I loved her soo much!) my only problem with her is the gas gauge was broken and I repeatedly would run out of gas because of miscalculating my miles lol so I had my fair share of people stopping to help me and also my fair share of walking miles to a gas station. One time I saw a man and a little boy walking along a really busy road (with no sidewalks) holding a gas can so I rolled down my window and told him and his son to get in the car. I drove him the 3 miles to his car (turns out he too had a malibu so maybe theres a gas problem with those cars:dunno anyways point being, I helped because I saw another HUMAN in trouble. Thats the way it should be, gender shouldn't matter.

 

[themrose]

An excellent point, but you have to think about modern day society. People have gotten so scared of the big bad world that they often forget that MOST people just want to help, not rape and murder them. It's good that you brought this angle to the discussion though, it should be HUMANKIND that helps eachother out, not just men. Althout I still say, because of the way I was raised, a man SHOULD respect a woman and assist her in the small ways like opening doors and pulling out a chair and letting her go first

 

[BlueBalls]

Yes, it died with Bing Crosby.

 

[jasonk282]

Yes, it died with Bing Crosby.

:bowdown:Bing is the man.

 

[Rey C.]

My Dad said that a gentleman can be recognised by
He never drinks from a bottle
He remembers to remove his hat when going indoors
He never leaves the toilet seat up.

Manners was always about knowing the right way to do things, about treating people with respect.Also of course it was a demonstration of self control.

Not to butt in for Titsrock. But I think what he means is, actual chivalry has nothing to do with just being polite or having good manners. And it's not a code of conduct for how men treat women. That's the modernized, bastardized... or "urban" definition. It's almost as bad as how we've used the word "lady" to describe all females... or even "gentleman" to describe all males. For instance, a "lady of the evening". Oxymoron.

I got lessons from both parents. My mother just said to be polite. My father said to be polite... only for as long as people LET you be polite. His way seemed to be more practical and effective.

Common courtesy, manners, etiquette and chivalry... all different things, though maybe with a common thread. :dunno:

 

[LukeEl]

It's not dead.

I just like how women say they want a nice guy that treats them right and yet they get with a guy that treats them like shit and remain with them despite all the obvious horrible treatment they get.

How I once was broken up with because I was considered too kind. Really? Too kind? I didn't call you a bitch or slap you, I never cheated, and I am too kind???

At one time I did think about becoming an asshole of a guy and treat women like shit. I never did, it crossed my mind, I kept thinking they seem to all love the asshole and don't dare ever want to leave them despite the fact that they can more times than not. In the end, I just can't come to being disrespectful of a woman, so I never even tried it.

I figured, fine, I will remain nice and if ever I come across a woman that appreciates me for my kindness, flaws, and overall humanity that will be great. At least I know I did not betray myself in the process.

In the mean time the girl that broke up with me because I was too kind has been married for a month, divorced, and is continuously used by men. I feel sorry for her and hope one day she returns to who she was when I first met her.

I have been through the same thing as you with every woman I have dated. Just keep being yourself, I am going to. However the last girl I dated did give me some advice she told me. "A decent relationship is give and take" She said most women want a nice guy, that isn't a pushover. Because a majority of the time women take advantage of that. I forget the rest of the details to be honest with you. But I guess the point I am trying to make is as good men we should keep being nice, polite, chivilrous. But find a happy medium and not overdo it. I guess what I probadly said just made everyone dumber, sorry I am still doped up on pain meds after surgery from last week.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

Oh. This was a few years ago. I'm happy and content and have a sweetheart of a girl now. :hatsoff:

 

[Will E Worm]

It is alive. Females just don't appreciate it anymore.

Then again if females don't appreciate gentlemen then chivalry is dead and females are the one's responsible for its death.

Elevator - Chivalry is dead

Dave Chapelle and Bill Burr

 

[magneziu]

I voted for yes is alive but women dont appreciated it.

But, if it's dead most likely feminist killed it.

Or the "equal rights" thing...
... can't have them both! simply not fair

 

[titsrock]

Common courtesy, manners, etiquette and chivalry... all different things, though maybe with a common thread. :dunno:

:thumbsup: Exactly. If we're going to be "real" than Chivalry is/was a code of conduct between man/man and man/woman of a certain class. That time has passed.

Etiquette is knowing how to respond in social situations according to norms. Western cultures, Eastern cultures all have social norms. It's basically how one person interacts with a group.

Manners are basically a way for one person to regulate behavior directly with another person.

Atleast..that's how I separate them. :dunno:

 

[bennihanna]

haha someone beat me to the punch on the Chappelle link

 

[calpoon]

I voted for yes is alive but women dont appreciated it.

But, if it's dead most likely feminist killed it.

Or the "equal rights" thing...
... can't have them both! simply not fair

Women shouldn't have the right to vote or own property or judicial proceedings or anything else that is granted to them by the constitution and have men be nice to them too?

I assume that isn't what you meant, and you just lack a comprehension of what "equal rights" means.

 

[E-Ann-Hilden]

Now it is called the pussification of the country.... Very sad to say... I also dont approve of the term..