Is Bush the worst president ever?

[Iamforever]

I've never looked at it that way before. Hmmm. I'd like to take it one step further and design a t-shirt that says... "if he hadn't dropped the bombs, we'd all be on meth."

You know I disagree about the bombs, as do a lot of people, just another one of life's "great divides" of opinions, though in America at least most people would agree with you. But we've been over that on some other thread where it was more relavant. I'm still standing by Bush as the worst ever 'cause he's given me the most personal grief, though I think the Lincoln assertion is a damn good one. I've done research on that guy, he was like this icon of his own hype, it's very odd.

Fox

PS

Peter, GWB would NOT be cool to hang out with, I'd break my own nonviolent rule and kick his scawny texan arse for all the lives he's cost us on both sides of his little war... however, I WOULD like to chill with his daughters, especially Jenna. How can such nasty men have such hot little blonde daughters... that would be the best way to screw him over... make love to his daughter and convince her to run against him and reveal all the truth about him from evidence I convinced her to steal. Hmmm, ideas.

im just glad someone agrees on my lincoln theory. i think we should give bush just an inch of leniance. i forgot how to spell. anyway, he is a major idiot. he does not know what he is doing. just two more years of his stupidity. i can live with that. and that shirt? sign me up for the first one issued fox.

 

[nothingandless]

bush is the 1st obvious puppet. is he the worst? i neither know nor care.
his position and public image have made it obvious the US citizens don't live in a democracy, and no, i will not explain...figure it out.
the president is not a king and does not make all the decisions, thats where everybody screws up with their opinions.
gas/oil prices are due to capatalism, not the government. we live in a free-market economy. stop blaming the government for the price of things. i think mcdonalds burgers should still be 15cents, goddamn the gov! ridiculous.

i'm all for anarchy, after all, things have to get worse before they get better.

 

[Iamforever]

bush is the 1st obvious puppet. is he the worst? i neither know nor care.
his position and public image have made it obvious the US citizens don't live in a democracy, and no, i will not explain...figure it out.
the president is not a king and does not make all the decisions, thats where everybody screws up with their opinions.
gas/oil prices are due to capatalism, not the government. we live in a free-market economy. stop blaming the government for the price of things. i think mcdonalds burgers should still be 15cents, goddamn the gov! ridiculous.

i'm all for anarchy, after all, things have to get worse before they get better.

you do know that you just contradicted yourself right? a free market economy? capatalism IS the government.

 

[nothingandless]

capatalism IS the government.

no contradiction there...
capatalism is our economic standard.
we are ruled, or governed, through democracy...supposedly.



by the way, people should read up on neo-liberalism

 

[georges]

I love how people like to blame republicans for anything they did kinda like Nightfly and Brino (both ultra liberals). The Japanese were offered to surrender despite they were losing but they didn't want to, so Truman did the right thing to have an absolute capitulation and an absolute surrendering from the Japanese, afterall it is the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor.
I can't say that I like stupid, irrealistic and naive politicians who think everything is pink and all is going well.
We are not talking who would be hanging with whom but who fights for preserving the safety of its country, fights against threats that are causing problems to the western and middle eastern developped countries.
Persons like Clinton who underestimated the danger of Al Quaeda and refused to move Saddam from the power are reasons not to be trusted but to be given a more than severe greed slapping.
When you are at power there is no place for softie policies wether it is with terrorists, rogue regimes and any kind of persons who harms or threatens the citizen of your country and your country itself. Preserving and defending the allies as well as the economical, geopolitical and strategic interests of your country is something you as a good president must be able to do. If you think you are not able to do it then don't run for the presidency. Pragmatism, efficiency, realism, sense of duty, determination and force of conviction are generally the qualities that make a good president.

 

[Iamforever]

and why didnt the japanese surrender georges? meth. and clinton did not underestimate the terrorists. after all, it was his regime that stopped l.a. from getting torn apart on the 2000 eve. the rest you said, i do agree with. but not clinton's ease on terrorists. he did stop them at least once.

 

[FullMoonWolf]

hey you gotta admit the dude would be pretty cool to hang out with though. just chillen drinking and smoking, good shit. as long as dick and condi dont ruin it.

I have better choices in friends than arrogant assholes with a "look at me" swagger.


But, hey....that's your choice in friends, I guess.

 

[vsdsc]

For everyone who will answer "yes" to this poll....

http://www.planetdan.net/pics/misc/georgie.htm

:]]]]] This must be painful to Mr. President

 

[ThatRedWing]

Clinton knew all about the threat of Bin Laden and did exactly NOTHING ABOUT IT!! Yes Bush is an idiot but he also walked into time bomb waiting to explode.

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

with a 69/42 result as on date, in favour of 'yeah', there is nothing to be told anew. But there are two news item that speaks for the same.

dd

 

[bnaked]

Yes, he's pretty bad.

 

[Gordar]

Although I dislike the way he handles things and honestly believe that nothing good (my definition of good anyway) will come out of his time in the white house, I don't and won't consider him the worst president ever.

Who am I to say that he's bad or not? I'm not sitting in the White House right now & I don't have to make the decisions he has to.

Also, it's kinda hard to say someone is the worst president when you've only had 25 presidents at most during your lifetime (if you're 100 anyway, which most of us aren't). Maybe George Washington or Thomas Jefferson would have been the worst possible presidents ever, but we'll never know because we haven't lived (& never will) during their regime.

So no, Bush (probably) isn't the worst president ever. We will probably never know who was/is/will be, but that's an entirely different issue.

 

[Iamforever]

Clinton knew all about the threat of Bin Laden and did exactly NOTHING ABOUT IT!! Yes Bush is an idiot but he also walked into time bomb waiting to explode.

his administration only stopped the millenium attempt. if it wasnt for that, i might not be here today. the target was l.a.

 

[pussy+dickdenice]

Who am I to say that he's bad or not? I'm not sitting in the White House right now & I don't have to make the decisions he has to.
So no, Bush (probably) isn't the worst president ever. We will probably never know who was/is/will be, but that's an entirely different issue.

You are very much right in pointing that out, Gordar. The time and place change and with that the decisions too. What was right yesterday may not be right today. And same goes for tomorrow.

As far as Bush is concerned, the decisions he took may be hard decisions but can we rightly say that they improved the conditions of USA?

It was his primary responsibility. IMO he acted like the world police, without considering the conditions of his own country.

Today USA, once the richest country, is now in debt. Its net worth is negative.

With that in mind, the person who doesn't fulfill his primary responsibility can never be a good one, not even a mediocre.

What is left then?

dd

 

[Gordar]

You are very much right in pointing that out, Gordar. The time and place change and with that the decisions too. What was right yesterday may not be right today. And same goes for tomorrow.

As far as Bush is concerned, the decisions he took may be hard decisions but can we rightly say that they improved the conditions of USA?

It was his primary responsibility. IMO he acted like the world police, without considering the conditions of his own country.

Today USA, once the richest country, is now in debt. Its net worth is negative.

With that in mind, the person who doesn't fulfill his primary responsibility can never be a good one, not even a mediocre.

What is left then?

dd

I don't know very much about the conditions in the US today and I do consider Bush a bad president. This is merely an opinion however and not a fact.

Also that he's bad (assuming for a minute that everyone agrees with that, which is obviously not the case) doesn't automatically mean he's the worst president ever (& that's what's being asked in this thread. The original poster wants to know if he's the worst (baddest of them all) (fact) president ever).

So one can only answer no to that question, as we simply don't know if he was/is/will be in our opinions (who knows what you might think of the president that's going to rule the US in 15 years (just a random year) from now). Also, since there will always be people who say that a certain person isn't the worst ... ever, the yes option doesn't apply at all. The only option that remains (although not really correct either) is the no option (yes would mean that everyone agrees with it & that he would actaully be described as the worst president ever in the history books. Even though it still wouldn't be a fact, it's the closest it will ever be ot a fact). (I love my grammar )

 

[EvaForU]

Reagan,Nixon,Bush Sr. ...they all were horribly awful

the choice is difficult

Kisses:

EVA

 

[tunsty]

Is Bush the worst president ever?

Difficult to say...
we haven't yet lived for 'ever'..but he's the proxy winner so far.

 

[member006]

I don't know very much about the conditions in the US today and I do consider Bush a bad president. This is merely an opinion however and not a fact.

Also that he's bad (assuming for a minute that everyone agrees with that, which is obviously not the case) doesn't automatically mean he's the worst president ever (& that's what's being asked in this thread. The original poster wants to know if he's the worst (baddest of them all) (fact) president ever).

So one can only answer no to that question, as we simply don't know if he was/is/will be in our opinions (who knows what you might think of the president that's going to rule the US in 15 years (just a random year) from now). Also, since there will always be people who say that a certain person isn't the worst ... ever, the yes option doesn't apply at all. The only option that remains (although not really correct either) is the no option (yes would mean that everyone agrees with it & that he would actaully be described as the worst president ever in the history books. Even though it still wouldn't be a fact, it's the closest it will ever be ot a fact). (I love my grammar )

I am not very political and usually stay totally clear of these discussions, were opinions go from "like assholes everybody has one" to "everybody becomes one in 60 seconds" flat. I do find myself liking and agreeing with the above post though. There is no right or wrong answer to anything political, like they say about the weather in D.C., don't like it wait five minutes and it will change. Its all opinion.

I only have one small thought to add. Its only my opinion so don't get your panties in a twist. I am admittidly politically illiterate, getting the basics and understanding most things. However like football I can't split hairs or read the game with a magnifying glass. I do get the "jest" though. I don't think Clinton ever was a president. Two not so bad terms were not run by him I feel, or at least not totally. The "Monica" scandal aside. It could have been worse. We now know where his "ideals" came from and I think we better watch out for "momma" in 2008. In this crazy politically upset world we are in and facing the things we are. I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't get voted in just because "they" can. So while everyone is looking "leftist and rightest" they better watch the middle.

 

[carlweathers]

My vote goes to Taft. That guy just fucking sucked. I can't stand Bush but Taft was worse. Same with LBJ and Hoover.

 

[georges]

kerry would have been worse than bush and don't tell me clinton was that great when he failed to arrest al quaeda when he has the opportunity to do it and also he was a liar under oath