Is Bush the worst president ever?

Is Bush the worst president ever?

  • YES

    Votes: 298 66.7%
  • NO

    Votes: 149 33.3%

  • Total voters
    447
This is what I'm talking about!

********** said:
I don't think you recited that quite the way you were taught it. You should be able to recite the propaganda word for word, come on, what kind of a right wing American are you?
Geez! God forbid if someone says they like W. And instead of trying to figure out why a fellow board member does, you just label and fire your guns. That's what you do -- to so, so many!

********** said:
Go back to the pastor or professor or family member or work colleague or Tv analyst or columnist that taught you these words and get them right. You can't spread the "Clinton fucked up the country" lie without knowing the exact words, it's like the Star-Spangled Banner.
All you do is label and insult, label and insult. It's such a repeat theme. You don't stop to care. You don't stop to understand. If someone differs from you, you label, lambast and do everything to create a wasteland.

You've not only labeled him a religious, right-winger zealot, but you've labeled me as such as well. Fuck you Fox. I've defended you in other threads, said no one has the right to judge your lifestyle. But now you've labeled someone and myself part of the same, religious, right-wing "cult." That is just wrong, inconsiderate and I did not deserve it! Nor did this gentleman. There are many of us who criticize some actions of Clinton that had nothing to do with his sexual life -- e..g, the Clintons are considered far bigger crooks in their personal finance than the Nixons ever were.

You know, the left-wing has their own self-interest "cult." E.g.and there are numerous studies out there on how "popular environmentalism" is cultish and of little science. There have been threads on this board that "popular attitude" belives are "beyond reproach" -- like the moon landings being faked, among other things. Sometimes the "conspiracy theories" are a little too self-perpetuating.

Not because someone has the right to question. But because anyone who goes against the grain seems to be labeled, lambasted and otherwise insulted off-the-bat for merely suggesting otherwise. And they say right-wingers "hate"? I've seen plenty from the "left" -- a very intolerant left such as this.

At least I gave you opportunities to explain and discuss. But it seems you are not interested in that from anyone else. You really need to re-read this poster's statements, and then your response.

MODS: I think it's time for this thread be closed.
 
FDR Georges pulled a country from certain ruin to what people are living under today.

What the problem is that the bush administration are so ignorant on their actions that they will anger others. AND the crucial problem is that the US don't even see that what they are doing either offends others or simply is not what they would do.
 
Dear Prof Voluptuary and Dear **********

I understand that you disagree on many points when it comes to politics. But flaming each other is not gonna making things better or help.
I think that expressing your views without fighting each other would be better. To have a constructive debate in respectful and polite tone is always more valued than a debate where there is too much fighting/flaming. This is my opinion and I find it quite sad to see two good members to fight each others just because their opinions are different.

regards to you both and peace

georges
 
Dear Fox

My goal wasn't to accuse of you flaming (I apologize because I did it (yes my fault) but this wasn't my goal in any case) but simply to point out that "fighting" each other wasn't a good thing. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion and you can't agree with everyone.I respect your opinions even tough I don't agree with some of them.
At last but not least, I know that you are a good person and what concerns me I am a very direct and honest person.
This being said I wish you a nice day.

regards

georges
 

icerfan

Nikkala made me do it!
The Associated Press came up with the title, not me. And if AP and CNN say that he's the worst one ever, then it must be true!

The worst President ever :D

Now you can go back to arguing over the other 42 guys! :wave2:
 
This thread needs to be closed

********** said:
but when cattle-prodded and prompted and after name-calling
Oh get off your self-righteous non-sense. I admit I'm opinated, but I don't stoop to the level you did, then turn around like I didn't do anything wrong. You name called someone else out-of-the-blue, without any regard for follow-up. And you lumped me in with him.

So yeah, I said "fuck you." I'd rather you just say that then lambast people out-of-the-blue like you do. Let alone you take every opportunity to use my name and lump them in with your utter distain for their joining the discussion. If that gets me banned, so be it.

But I hope to God people realize you should be banned right with me.

MODS: I really think this thread should be closed for the examples I cited.
 
Yes, the worst President ever but the finest Puppet President ever!!! :1orglaugh
 
Fox and Prof - please don't get a good general discussion thread closed over a personal conflict that you could carry out in PMs!!! :crash: :hatsoff:
 
It's no longer limited to 2 people ...

Nightfly said:
Fox and Prof - please don't get a good general discussion thread closed over a personal conflict that you could carry out in PMs!!! :crash: :hatsoff:
Umm, if you didn't notice, he's not limiting it between just him and I. That's the ONLYreason I asked the thread to be closed!

If it was just commentary with regard to myself, I could care less, I have very thick skin. But now others are being labeled along with myself. That's the only reason I think the thread should be closed.
 
Clinton wasn't Klan, but he was as close as you can get ...

Nightfly said:
*Dons his Klan outfit* "I don't care what people say about Dubya.
Yes, I know this was a joke, but it's also not very true.

Clinton wasn't Klan, but he was as close as you can get in Arkansas. He not only silently resigned from an all-white Golf Course in Arkansas, but he resigned as a member after the 1992 election!

Clinton was a "do as I say, not do as I do." Gore was more of the same. Most Americans don't agree with W., but at least he's honest about letting everyone do something, and not just subsidies in NAFTA or Environmental Acts for personal businesses. Ross Perot pointed that out on NAFTA, and everyone called him "mean." No, he was damn honest, and Gore lied his ass off.

Even the President of the NOW (National Organization for Women) was chastized for saying Clinton's business and personal affairs should be excused, because of the laws he pased. If it's a question between "do as I say, not do as I do" and "everyone gets to do X" -- I'll take the honesty of the latter.

Especially when it comes to the rediculous idea that Republicans are "racist" and Democrats are not. No, Republicans are for equality across the board -- just like they were 1860 as well as 1960 -- and not "special privileges" beyond equality.

Yes, the bigots and racists tend to support Republicans more than Democrats, now that its about "special privileges." But back before equality, the bigots and racists tended to support Democrats.

Every President, both Democrat and Republican, has supported many civil rights acts since the end of WWII. But their private lives were much different -- and you should really read up on many Democrat representatives -- especially governors.

I still love Ross Perot's infamous line, "If you hate people, I don't want your vote." Damn the man was too honest and too self-made to be a politician.
 
Re: Don't blame governments for what the media says ...

Prof Voluptuary said:
Anyone who came to the US pre-9/11 would always comment how "lax" we are on security -- especially for travel.

Yes didnt u just love the question

Did you pack your own bags sir?

No, Allah packed my bags lol
 

Rattrap

Doesn't feed trolls and would appreciate it if you
I would like to say Bush will be remembered as the worst, but there definitely have been some bad presidents in the past. Time will tell, I suppose...

I do believe he's done immense damage to the US, internally and internationally. We're terribly unliked internationally - my friends always joke about going to Europe and making sure they sew Canadian flags on their backpacks. Who would blame them? This war smacks of manifest destiny.

And if the economy was already taking a downturn in 2000, it makes Bush even more responsible (and when I say Bush, I'm speaking of the administration as a whole) - it would have been even more clear that a needless war would take its toll. Why was it needless? They weren't attacking us. Period. Hell, it's evident they weren't even planning to. WMDs, anybody? Nope, just kidding.

Ugh, and national security. Gross. There's two big mentalities to take - wall up, and blow away our enemies before they can get us, or...well, stop pissing everyone off to have less enemies. Look at Canada. Or Japan (though Japan has the special circumstances after World War II, I realize). No better national security than simply not making enemies.

While we're busy walling up and letting our Pres listen to our conversations, just remember:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Ben Franklin
 
Nightfly said:
*Dons his Klan outfit*

"I don't care what people say about Dubya. He caught a 7.5 pound perch, and goshdarnit he's a good, solid, Christian white man. I'm glad he's our King."

lmao :ban:

2008 cannot come quickly enough... :nanner:
:Yeh yeh, cry me a river :violent: all is always great and all is pink like jenna heart's pussy with democrats. You must be truely irrealist.:scream::nono:
Softie Hillary and Softie Kerry won't be elected so don't make big hopes about that. People would rather have Giulianni or Dean Mc Cain over a weak minded and president with no determination to fight terrorism. Also you should remember that Clinton gave a Nobel prize to Arafat which is something that I consider as very bad and it is why I truely hate Clinton. His wife isn't better and I am not even talking about Kerry who failed during the 2004 election.
 
********** said:
I don't think you recited that quite the way you were taught it. You should be able to recite the propaganda word for word, come on, what kind of a right wing American are you?

Go back to the pastor or professor or family member or work colleague or Tv analyst or columnist that taught you these words and get them right. You can't spread the "Clinton fucked up the country" lie without knowing the exact words, it's like the Star-Spangled Banner.

Fox

Oh Fox excuse me for not taking 30 mins to explain my whole opionion you dick lick, oh come on fox come on thats all you say trying to insult people for not believing what you do.
 
hey you gotta admit the dude would be pretty cool to hang out with though. just chillen drinking and smoking, good shit. as long as dick and condi dont ruin it.
 
clinton was the best of my lifetime. but the worst: i hate to say it, but lincoln. now hold on. hear me out first. lincoln gets credit for freeing the slaves right? he was long dead before they were freed. then there is ford. god, that guy is an idiot. ive seen his interviews. then the worst of all time. lyndon b johnson. he sent usa into vietnam after kennedy was shot. because of that one decision, usa has been in a downward spiral.
 
truman had to drop the bombs. them japanese were all hopped up on meth. nothing less would have stopped them. i know all about meth. trust me on this. if it wasnt for those bombs, we wouldnt be called the usa. i dont know what we would be called, but i do know that we wouldnt be usa.
 
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