If you wont believe Bush, We you believe Clinton?

[meesterperfect]

The article speaks for itself. Dec. 16 1998.
If you take 5 minutes to read it some of you may see things in a different perspective.
Thanks

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec98/clinton_12-16.html

 

[Imagine]

One of the drawbacks of using a natural language is that unlike in a formal language, there are several cases in which a double negative in natural languages does not result in a positive.

 

[pathfinder]

Good stuff

 

[meesterperfect]

Thanks Pf, for taking the time.

 

[alexios]

What is the similarity between air strikes and 140,000+ troops on the ground with over 3,100 American soldiers dead in a war that has no foreseeable resolution?

 

[accessspecialex]

As a Brit, I'm completely confused - whose more like Bush, Hilary or Obama? I'm liking this Obama guy, seems to care about the right things but then they all say that don't they.

 

[Theopolis Q. Hossenffer]

As a Brit, I'm completely confused - whose more like Bush, Hilary or Obama? I'm liking this Obama guy, seems to care about the right things but then they all say that don't they.

As a resident of Illinois Obama is one of my Senators. As you say he seems to be a caring guy, however except for the two years in the Senate his only experience in politics is either one or two terms as a state Senator. I haven't really seen that he has acomplished anything of note in either position. This doesn't mean he cannot lead or be a great President but I for one would like to get a better feel of who he is over at least one full Senate term before deciding to vote for him. Hillary on the other hand is definately smart but seems to be very cold and calculating. She doesn't seem comfortable in her position as Senator from New York and her worst times seem to be when she must speak off the cuff or answer questions. She also seem to believe that Goverment is the answer to all problems which is a position I do not share.
I don't think that either one is really like Bush, He is not stupid but is very bullheaded while being loyal to his friends past the point of Good sense(see Rumsfeld) The late Molly Ivans described him as a typical Texan, that is bull forward and settle things physically right now instead of trying to use time as an aid instead of an impediment. As it is 18 months till the election there hopefully will be plenty of time to find out a little more about these people before deciding who to go with.(Geez what a speech, maybe I should run?)

 

[ai-ni-ichi]

ah, so it turns out that several years before Bush decided to invade Iraq for purely selfish reasons, based on flimsy and often fabricated evidence... Clinton had already taken care of the WMDs! so that's why they couldn't find any!

i think a better title for this topic might be "if only Bush had listened to Clinton, he might not have started a war which has lead to the deaths of thousands of people for no good reason."

the Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins this weekend. For us to initiate military action during Ramadan would be profoundly offensive to the Muslim world and, therefore, would damage our relations with Arab countries and the progress we have made in the Middle East.

yup, i remember when the White House knew what diplomacy was. if only Bush knew that word, it's just a pity that his copy of 'my first book of words' has 'Dog' for that letter instead.

 

[meesterperfect]

No!. Wrong! Your Wrong!!
Clinton only dropped e few uneffective bombs one night.
He didnt take care of shit except for his bank account.

 

[Iamforever]

No!. Wrong! Your Wrong!!
Clinton only dropped e few uneffective bombs one night.
He didnt take care of shit except for his bank account.

clinton didnt have to deal with attacks on home soil. i love clinton, but he would be worse than bush in this meek situation america is in.

 

[pathfinder]

What is the similarity between air strikes and 140,000+ troops on the ground with over 3,100 American soldiers dead in a war that has no foreseeable resolution?

What war? I thought the "war" was declared "won" in 2003. Mission accomplished? Everything after that has been recovery effort while dealing with insurgency and people from surrounding countries who would like nothing better than to see Iraq fall and the US fail.



Everything that Clinton touched related to the military turned to shit. Aside from his creating a budget surplus by not replenishing the military resources he used and making cuts in various forms he set up his successor for failure. Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo... what did he accomplish in any of those "actions"? Not to mention no retaliation for the first attack on the WTC. Khobar Towers bombing, U.S. embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, and the USS Cole.

 

[jdude]

No!. Wrong! Your Wrong!!
Clinton only dropped e few uneffective bombs one night.
He didnt take care of shit except for his bank account.

And Bush isn't taking care of shit besides his buddies bank accounts. That's Halliburton/KBR for all you children left behind. And you know another thing Clinton did? He left Bush with all this intel and reports about attempting to invade Afghanistan and capture Osama...reports that Bush kinda ignored...until 9/11.

And what's a porno-surfing guy doing believing in Bush anyway? His administration, led by the "illustrious" John Ashcroft, took quite the anti-porn stance early on.

 

[pathfinder]

Yeah, because with the amount of scrutiny that Bush is already under, and the amount so many of his predecessors have been under, it would make perfect sense for him to do something so obvious and easy to uncover.

And did the intel reports include that fact that Clinton had numerous opportunities to take OBL out of the game permanently and opted not to. It's not like Clinton couldn't do it... he simply chose not to. Why start a war that next administration would almost definitely inherit and leave a big smudge in the history books where his presidency would be written in as opposed to walking out o of office quietly with the only smudge being on an interns dress.

 

[Peter Gazinya]

And Bush isn't taking care of shit besides his buddies bank accounts. That's Halliburton/KBR for all you children left behind. And you know another thing Clinton did? He left Bush with all this intel and reports about attempting to invade Afghanistan and capture Osama...reports that Bush kinda ignored...until 9/11.

And what's a porno-surfing guy doing believing in Bush anyway? His administration, led by the "illustrious" John Ashcroft, took quite the anti-porn stance early on.

No shit, and let's not forget about that cocksucker Bill Frist sneaking the anti internet gambling law into a.....Port Security Bill? If you just take 5 minutes to stop and think about the things that republicans want to take away from us...porn, pot, privacy, freedom, fun, independent thought...you'll realize they are just evil fucking bastards.

 

[meesterperfect]

Last post.
Exactly what have we done wrong in Iraq?
We took out saddam and his totalitarian regieme in less than 3 weeks.
They had elections and voted in leaders, but soon after everybody and theyre brother is in there trying to kill our soldiers and drive us out.
Should we just run away? should we pull out in shame and defeat proving to the "bad guys" that were just weak and vulnerable? Easily defeated.
Just like clinton did in yugoslavia, haiti, somalia........ran away like a pussy.Or should we finish the job? and Maybe if one other country besides Britain had the guts to help out, It could be a success.
I guess the demasculinized people of this country need a leader who will tell us everything is ok, whisper sweet nothings in our ears and sing us a lullaby.

Pat you on the back and pick your pocket at the same time.

Read the original link I posted up top.. Bush is doing exactly what Your beloved Clinton said he was gonna do, said we need to do,but then wussed out because the blowjob incident already had him under scrutiny.
Well that was one costly blowjob, in money and lives,I hope it was worth it...

Also, I'm not for or against the internet gambling law but it was passed because too many dumbasses were losing their houses by playing texas hold'em.

 

[pathfinder]

if one other country besides Britain had the guts to help out, It could be a success.

Funny how all the countries allowing insurgents to jump their borders into Iraq and continue making misery for the US are also members of the UN, but the UN does nothing about it... just as long as the US keeps paying its membership dues the most we can expect them to do it talk trash about us and try to run the world.

 

[Imagine]

and Maybe if one other country besides Britain had the guts to help out, It could be a success.

Yes, obviously the best way to get people to rally behind you is to go "I'm gonna do what I want, screw the rest of you", then blame everything on them when things don't go your way. Maybe we could learn how to fly if enough people just had the guts to jump off a cliff and flap their arms.

 

[meesterperfect]

I have read all your posts and appreciate your comments whether I disagree or not.
However, I think many didnt read the link I posted.

If you read it you will see my point was that if President Clinton adamantly said we need to do it in Dec. 1998, then why was Bush so wrong for actually doing it , especially after we got attacked.

 

[YMIHERE]

If you read it you will see my point was that if President Clinton adamantly said we need to do it in Dec. 1998, then why was Bush so wrong for actually doing it , especially after we got attacked.

Iraq did not attacked the USA.

 

[D-rock]

It's threads like this that remind me just how much all the politicians we (and the rest of them from all over the world for that matter) have had in our lifetime are totally screwed up.