How do you view pornstars that won't do interracial?
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Take me for example… I’m not particularly attracted to Asian women, but I have seen some Asian women that I think are really attractive and would date in a heartbeat. I would never be so stupid as to think that I could never be attracted to an entire race. It’s an ignorant (not to mention discriminatory) statement to make.
You guys are confusing “preference” with “dislike or exclusivity”. A “preference” denotes a leaning towards, not exclusivity. If someone “prefers” coke over pepsi, that doesn’t mean that they would NEVER, ever drink pepsi to save their life. It just means that given the “option”, they would choose coke. If not, then that means they hate (or dislike) pepsi. You can apply the same concept to race. There’s a huge difference between saying “I would NEVER have sex with someone of a certain ethnicity/race”, as opposed to saying “I generally prefer (or are more attracted to) x-race, but that’s not to say that I wouldn’t be with y-race or z-race”.
Take me for example… I’m not particularly attracted to Asian women, but I have seen some Asian women that I think are really attractive and would date in a heartbeat. I would never be so stupid as to think that I could never be attracted to an entire race. It’s an ignorant (not to mention discriminatory) statement to make.
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If you read the entire interview the OP first commented on, you’ll see that after she said she won’t do interracial, she went on to comment about how she’s “not picky” about the male talent she works with. I quote “I am not really picky. I like someone who is professional and they enjoy good sex like I do”. She made no comment about how she needs to find the guy attractive, or any of that bullshit. Her choices as to what she does in porn are simply business decisions. She’s just another Jenna wannabe (trying her best to walk the straight line and follow in her footsteps), but I can guarantee you that she will never be anything close to what Jenna was.
This is what people just can't seem (or don't want) to understand. It's like back in the day when people didn't want to believe WWF/WWE wrestling was fake. People just don't get it. This “choice” often has nothing to do with what the girl is into or attracted to. Unless you’re Jenna Jameson, the girl doesn’t have the option to bring whoever she wants to fuck to the set that day and do whatever she pleases on camera. She has to agree to fuck the guys provided to her, and do the type of scene the director wants. You guys get so blinded by your fantasies that you forget that this is a business. These girls are performers. You think every girl is attracted to every guy she does a scene with? You think every girl that does anal gets turned on by it? You think every girl gets turned on by getting her face slapped, spat on and sprayed with cum? I hate to destroy your fantasy, but the answer is NO. Some of you need to wake up and face reality. I’ve been on the sets. I know how it goes down.
If you read the entire interview the OP first commented on, you’ll see that after she said she won’t do interracial, she went on to comment about how she’s “not picky” about the male talent she works with. I quote “I am not really picky. I like someone who is professional and they enjoy good sex like I do”. She made no comment about how she needs to find the guy attractive, or any of that bullshit. Her choices as to what she does in porn are simply business decisions. She’s just another Jenna wannabe (trying her best to walk the straight line and follow in her footsteps), but I can guarantee you that she will never be anything close to what Jenna was.
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Hearkening back to my previous post, combined with what xxaru and friday had to say, I've come to a conclusion. Beyond just semantics, there is indeed a distinction between saying something like "I'm not attracted to black women." and saying "I've never seen a black woman who I was attracted to."
I'm willing to agree that it could be racist to say the former in some instances. However, when you've seen thousands of black women in your life and weren't attracted to any, isn't it awfully easy for someone to conclude that they just "aren't attracted to black women"? My point is, someone saying that they aren't attracted to a certain race doesn't have to indicate racist meaning or that someone is a racist. Perhaps they just didn't say EXACTLY what they meant?
I think there is a good point, touched on by both xxaru and especially friday. Maybe it is true that essentially everyone could find a member of ANY race that they would indeed be attracted to. I usually am not attracted to black or asian women, but I have seen a small handful of each that I have been attracted to. This particular phenomenon strengthens my idea that maybe people should watch their phrasing as I mentioned in the above paragraph.
Sure there are racist people out there who would say what this girl said, but IMO saying just this does not make you a racist. How are we to know that the person doesn't just mean that they never came across someone of a particular race that they were attracted to?
The problem may be people thinking both statements mean exactly the same thing. But I'm willing to admit they don't.
Hearkening back to my previous post, combined with what xxaru and friday had to say, I've come to a conclusion. Beyond just semantics, there is indeed a distinction between saying something like "I'm not attracted to black women." and saying "I've never seen a black woman who I was attracted to."
I'm willing to agree that it could be racist to say the former in some instances. However, when you've seen thousands of black women in your life and weren't attracted to any, isn't it awfully easy for someone to conclude that they just "aren't attracted to black women"? My point is, someone saying that they aren't attracted to a certain race doesn't have to indicate racist meaning or that someone is a racist. Perhaps they just didn't say EXACTLY what they meant?
I think there is a good point, touched on by both xxaru and especially friday. Maybe it is true that essentially everyone could find a member of ANY race that they would indeed be attracted to. I usually am not attracted to black or asian women, but I have seen a small handful of each that I have been attracted to. This particular phenomenon strengthens my idea that maybe people should watch their phrasing as I mentioned in the above paragraph.
Sure there are racist people out there who would say what this girl said, but IMO saying just this does not make you a racist. How are we to know that the person doesn't just mean that they never came across someone of a particular race that they were attracted to?
The problem may be people thinking both statements mean exactly the same thing. But I'm willing to admit they don't.
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True.
They might have nothing against other races, they just don't wanna fuck them, that's all.
I don't wanna fuck a girl with ginger pubes, but does that mean I have anything against ginger people? Fuck no, many of my friends are redheads, I just don't find it sexually attractive.
Stop trying to merge sex with everything else.
True.
They might have nothing against other races, they just don't wanna fuck them, that's all.
I don't wanna fuck a girl with ginger pubes, but does that mean I have anything against ginger people? Fuck no, many of my friends are redheads, I just don't find it sexually attractive.
Stop trying to merge sex with everything else.
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Has as my ability to show sarcasm totally died or do all people just always read my posts then change them in their minds to what they had wanted me to say?
A second example.
Where did you get this from this? Also please note for further reference I VEIL nothing, if I have something to say I say it. Just as everyone here does. Where did you read me saying the poster wasn't welcome here?
While I respect you disagreeing with me and I respect your right to voice your opinion. Don't however twist my words to send a non existing message to members that SKIM these threads not read them. I do find that offensive. I did not say that.
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Best post in the thread, short and sweet and to the point.
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Has as my ability to show sarcasm totally died or do all people just always read my posts then change them in their minds to what they had wanted me to say?
A second example.
Where did you get this from this? Also please note for further reference I VEIL nothing, if I have something to say I say it. Just as everyone here does. Where did you read me saying the poster wasn't welcome here?
While I respect you disagreeing with me and I respect your right to voice your opinion. Don't however twist my words to send a non existing message to members that SKIM these threads not read them. I do find that offensive. I did not say that.
I myself won't go into this subject again. This board is full of these threads, most of which have been locked.
They always head in the wrong direction it seems. Its not encouraged to discuss race discrimination here at all really. :dunno: I even think its somewhere in the golden rules? Could be wrong though. Since I'm not a mod and have only read the rules.
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:hatsoff:
Best post in the thread, short and sweet and to the point.
LL
Re: What do you think of Pornstars that don't do interracial?
Why? Because someone has a preference for who they have sex with? Whether it's for money or not?
It's no different from people who won't have sex with fat people, old people, bald people, people with a silent H in their last name, etc.
I don't much care whether they do IR or not- again, it's up to the individual performer. :2 cents:
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Why? Because someone has a preference for who they have sex with? Whether it's for money or not?
It's no different from people who won't have sex with fat people, old people, bald people, people with a silent H in their last name, etc.
I don't much care whether they do IR or not- again, it's up to the individual performer. :2 cents:
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When these girls say they don’t do interracial, everyone knows damn well the reasons behind it, yet (with exception to 2 or 3 others) I’m the only one saying it. And we’re on an anonymous forum! Why is everybody covering up the truth? I just wish one person would at least be man (or woman) enough to come out and admit that they don’t like black people, would never have sex with a black person, and are discriminatory and/or racist for doing so. I’d at least be able to give that person “some” respect as opposed to all the bullshitters and liars that try to pretend like it’s just “personal choice” (or some other bullshit) not to do interracial, and that they WOULD be doing interracial without any problems at all if they could only find a black performer they were attracted to.
Depending on the context, I could agree with you here. And you do make some good points. HOWEVER… this is not, and has never been about what these girls find attractive. This whole “maybe they’re just not attracted to black people” notion is something that people try to throw in as “justification” for why a certain star may not do interracial. That might fly in someone’s “personal life”, but not in porn. Girls aren’t always physically attracted to the guys they fuck in porn. So if you’re not physically attracted to a white guy, but will still do a scene with him… then why is it different for a black guy?? I know why, and everyone else knows why too. I only wish people would stop trying to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes.
When these girls say they don’t do interracial, everyone knows damn well the reasons behind it, yet (with exception to 2 or 3 others) I’m the only one saying it. And we’re on an anonymous forum! Why is everybody covering up the truth? I just wish one person would at least be man (or woman) enough to come out and admit that they don’t like black people, would never have sex with a black person, and are discriminatory and/or racist for doing so. I’d at least be able to give that person “some” respect as opposed to all the bullshitters and liars that try to pretend like it’s just “personal choice” (or some other bullshit) not to do interracial, and that they WOULD be doing interracial without any problems at all if they could only find a black performer they were attracted to.
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And what difference does that make? If I interact with Asians in my personal life, but refuse to work with them or hire them in my company, does that make me any less discriminating towards them?
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I think its a personal preference and I respect it.
If guys say that they think girls with blonde hair are hotter then brunettes is that discrimination?
If girls don't think its hot to do interracial its fully up to them. Its their body.
I think its a personal preference and I respect it.
If guys say that they think girls with blonde hair are hotter then brunettes is that discrimination?
If girls don't think its hot to do interracial its fully up to them. Its their body.
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Obvioulsy it is their body and their choice.But your comparison of prefering blondes to brunettes is not the same as a blanket rejection of a whole group based on racial make up.A preference is one thing but I bet their are brunettes even men who prefer blondes have been attracted too.And you don't hear porn stars making statements like I won't have sex with brunettes very often eitheir.
Obvioulsy it is their body and their choice.But your comparison of prefering blondes to brunettes is not the same as a blanket rejection of a whole group based on racial make up.A preference is one thing but I bet their are brunettes even men who prefer blondes have been attracted too.And you don't hear porn stars making statements like I won't have sex with brunettes very often eitheir.
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Such issues as IR are personal choice. I myself am attracted to ladies of all races bar African, and if I was a pornstar would probably not do a scene with one. Its not racism, I am just not attracted to them.
The industry isnt really a good litmus test. There are (practically) no Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern heritage actors, so if someone doesnt do the "black" thing for whatever reason, that person can come across as intolerant, when they may (theoretically) be open to scenes with many other actors if the field allowed for it.
Such issues as IR are personal choice. I myself am attracted to ladies of all races bar African, and if I was a pornstar would probably not do a scene with one. Its not racism, I am just not attracted to them.
The industry isnt really a good litmus test. There are (practically) no Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern heritage actors, so if someone doesnt do the "black" thing for whatever reason, that person can come across as intolerant, when they may (theoretically) be open to scenes with many other actors if the field allowed for it.
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Go back and re-read my posts. This issue has nothing to do with attraction. That is NOT why girls in this industry choose not to do interracial. No girl is going to be physically attracted to every guy they shoot with.
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But at the end of the day, isn't it up to the women who are doing the work as to whether they'll work with one person/height/race/hair color/etc.? How in theee hell do YOU know why girls in the industry choose not to do interracial? I mean, aside from your theory. How many have you spoken with?
I certainly don't dispute your notion that no girl is going to be physically attracted to every guy they shoot with, but the use of "racist" and "discrimination" is so overdone anymore. How about "preference" and "choice"? I believe that's what most of it is.
I'm certain there are women in the industry that have the feelings you suspect them of having, but I also think it's important to look at the type of material that especially black men are being marketed in, in regards to porn. I don't know who actually conceives of it, writes it (if there is writing involved), plans it out, or what have you, but most of it is pretty rough on the ladies and doesn't seem real "woman friendly"- that could be one reason why some don't do IR. I don't think that stuff is particularly good for black men, either, in terms of image.
Another thing to consider is that when it comes to IR porn, most (not all) seems centered around black men with"white MILFs", "white asses", "white bitches", and then there's my favorite "your daughter's fucking a black dude" (a title that used to be WAY more ugly). Isn't it just as bad the way these white women are regarded and marketed in that stuff?
It's never much bothered me to see it, watch it, or know that other people really get into it. Hell, in my personal life, I've even been a part of it! I just wish it wasn't marketed as so crude a thing.
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But at the end of the day, isn't it up to the women who are doing the work as to whether they'll work with one person/height/race/hair color/etc.? How in theee hell do YOU know why girls in the industry choose not to do interracial? I mean, aside from your theory. How many have you spoken with?
I certainly don't dispute your notion that no girl is going to be physically attracted to every guy they shoot with, but the use of "racist" and "discrimination" is so overdone anymore. How about "preference" and "choice"? I believe that's what most of it is.
I'm certain there are women in the industry that have the feelings you suspect them of having, but I also think it's important to look at the type of material that especially black men are being marketed in, in regards to porn. I don't know who actually conceives of it, writes it (if there is writing involved), plans it out, or what have you, but most of it is pretty rough on the ladies and doesn't seem real "woman friendly"- that could be one reason why some don't do IR. I don't think that stuff is particularly good for black men, either, in terms of image.
Another thing to consider is that when it comes to IR porn, most (not all) seems centered around black men with"white MILFs", "white asses", "white bitches", and then there's my favorite "your daughter's fucking a black dude" (a title that used to be WAY more ugly). Isn't it just as bad the way these white women are regarded and marketed in that stuff?
It's never much bothered me to see it, watch it, or know that other people really get into it. Hell, in my personal life, I've even been a part of it!
I just wish it wasn't marketed as so crude a thing.H
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I don't think! Never!
As anyone on this board can vouch for it...
I don't think! Never!
Re: What do you think of Pornstars that don't do interracial?
"And my final thought on this is this.Is not just the fact that their is a category in porn called "interracial" a sign of racism?Playing on the old taboo's of race mixing and the like.Wouldn't the disapearence of such a category be a sign that racism(the acknowledgement of some sort of racially based difference) is less prevelent than it had been?"
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=1898859&postcount=40
Yes it is their choice and I don't think anyone is saying it should not be.Just as if you did not wish to work or live in a place predominately minority that would be a choice you are allowed to make also.The question I guess is if you did feel that way is would it say anything about your attitudes about people of another race.
Calling it a preference or choice is really just a semantic difference IMO.As I said before some would say I just prefer or choose to not live or work with minoritys.
This part sounds very much like something I said in an earlier post in this thread.That the very existence of a category such as interracial plays on racial attitudes.The pertinent part from my earlier post:Another thing to consider is that when it comes to IR porn, most (not all) seems centered around black men with"white MILFs", "white asses", "white bitches", and then there's my favorite "your daughter's fucking a black dude" (a title that used to be WAY more ugly). Isn't it just as bad the way these white women are regarded and marketed in that stuff?
It's never much bothered me to see it, watch it, or know that other people really get into it. Hell, in my personal life, I've even been a part of it!
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"And my final thought on this is this.Is not just the fact that their is a category in porn called "interracial" a sign of racism?Playing on the old taboo's of race mixing and the like.Wouldn't the disapearence of such a category be a sign that racism(the acknowledgement of some sort of racially based difference) is less prevelent than it had been?"
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=1898859&postcount=40
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I quoted you, so the skim-reading is a non-issue; I was hardly trying to disguise or twist what you said. It's there for everyone to read. I was pointing out that those kinds of remarks ('oh no, not this again?') can come across as unwelcoming. *shrugs* It's a legitimate topic, like it or not.
I don't have much to add beyond what Friday and particularly xxaru have already said. I think it's naive to think this is about attraction, and not about tolerance. Except for those very obvious exceptions of those who only work with their spouses and the like, it's obvious that your average pornstar is doing what she is willing to do on camera (and with whom), not necessarily what gets her off.
Do people really believe that pornstars can turn up to work, and if they're not all tingly downstairs, not adequately turned on, that they can just decline the job? I imagine that someone who behaved in that way would quickly find that the phone stops ringing, and be labeled as inconsistent and unreliable.
When a pornstar is saying she won't do interracial, she's not talking about what she likes to do or with whom, but rather about something she either doesn't want to be seen doing (racist societal pressure), or because people who aren't of her own skin colour so disgust her that she could not perform sex acts with them of any kind.
Does it make sense to draw an analogy between that and someone who simply prefers blondes? Of course not, because no one in their right mind who likes blondes is so disgusted by brunettes that they could not have sex with them. Even if you prefer that some girl doesn't ginger pubes, are you really going to turn down a horny Angie Everhart or Kate Walsh wanting to fuck your brains out? I find it hard to believe that it's going to be a deal-breaker. There is a difference between preference and that which a person can tolerate.
The only semi-plausible explanation that isn't racist in nature is the one offered by D-Rock and others, i.e. that interracial porn is objectionable because of the theatricality with which it is portrayed. It's certainly true that a *lot* of the interracial stuff out there makes it look like a circus act or a freak show, and is patently racist at times. The only problem with this is that while many a pornstar has stated she won't do interracial ('my dad is a big Italian guy who could kill me if I did that!'), I think it's telling that this justification is practically unheard of.
I quoted you, so the skim-reading is a non-issue; I was hardly trying to disguise or twist what you said. It's there for everyone to read. I was pointing out that those kinds of remarks ('oh no, not this again?') can come across as unwelcoming. *shrugs* It's a legitimate topic, like it or not.
I don't have much to add beyond what Friday and particularly xxaru have already said. I think it's naive to think this is about attraction, and not about tolerance. Except for those very obvious exceptions of those who only work with their spouses and the like, it's obvious that your average pornstar is doing what she is willing to do on camera (and with whom), not necessarily what gets her off.
Do people really believe that pornstars can turn up to work, and if they're not all tingly downstairs, not adequately turned on, that they can just decline the job? I imagine that someone who behaved in that way would quickly find that the phone stops ringing, and be labeled as inconsistent and unreliable.
When a pornstar is saying she won't do interracial, she's not talking about what she likes to do or with whom, but rather about something she either doesn't want to be seen doing (racist societal pressure), or because people who aren't of her own skin colour so disgust her that she could not perform sex acts with them of any kind.
Does it make sense to draw an analogy between that and someone who simply prefers blondes? Of course not, because no one in their right mind who likes blondes is so disgusted by brunettes that they could not have sex with them. Even if you prefer that some girl doesn't ginger pubes, are you really going to turn down a horny Angie Everhart or Kate Walsh wanting to fuck your brains out? I find it hard to believe that it's going to be a deal-breaker. There is a difference between preference and that which a person can tolerate.
The only semi-plausible explanation that isn't racist in nature is the one offered by D-Rock and others, i.e. that interracial porn is objectionable because of the theatricality with which it is portrayed. It's certainly true that a *lot* of the interracial stuff out there makes it look like a circus act or a freak show, and is patently racist at times. The only problem with this is that while many a pornstar has stated she won't do interracial ('my dad is a big Italian guy who could kill me if I did that!'), I think it's telling that this justification is practically unheard of.
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