Homosexuality

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But do heterosexual people choose to be so?!? IF so when coz I cant remember when I said to myself, “right I’m going to be attracted to women not men”

We're actually having this discussion in another thread. :eek:

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=271470

Homosexuals are still, in the 21st century, subjected to abuse both mental & physical, stigmatised & persecuted. Why, given that, would anyone choose to be homosexual?!?

People choose to do weird things all the time, so I don't see what's so odd about somebody becoming a homosexual.
 
Gordar, it was a thread a few months ago, where I explained my point of view on that subject. Unfortunately this thread was closed by moders, and I am affraid that if I will repeat the same arguments (which I find very distinctive and strong) here, it will be closed either. If you really interested in argue upon this question, I can pm you a link to my post in that old thread and continue it via PM.

but in brief, my position is like that:

the fact that a person has some disposition for the inclination or perversion does not justify this inclination and does not make it normal.

a lot of criminal and psychopatic tendencies have genetic predisposition. so what? :dunno:

I believe that one day scientists will tell us that there is some gene responsible for almost every choice we make, and for every step we make.

But I am sure, that having some predisposition does not mean that you ain't got no free will, and ability to control it. This is why the argument about homosexuality as a predetermined thing does not sound convincing enough for me. A lot of shit (and even very crazy shit) might be predetermined in some way. But it doesn't mean that crazy action or crime can be justified due to that fact.

One can have genetic aptitude for cleptomania or even for, hm, let's call it the-stuff-that-is-very-much-banned-for-any-discussion-on-this-board. But he must keep himslef from following that sick predilection. Predilection is not equal to the choice. If you are a human being, you can control yourself, visit a doctor, or a psychiatrists etc - if you know that you have some bad predilections. This is how I see things.

Why there is no excuse for the sex fiend, who has some genetic predilection that might explain his crazy behaviour, but the same "excuse" works for gays? The answer is "oh, it is obvious, cuz to be gay is legal, and to be sex fiend is against the law!"

But the next question is why is it legal? People are those, who create the laws. I am human being. I have my understanding of what should be legal and not legal. I have respect this laws. I do not go in the streets with a gun and do not kill or beat fags in the streets. I just talk about it, and I ask questions. Homosexality was against the law in many countries, just as the-stuff-which-is-banned-for-discussion-on-this-board is against the law now.

What is the difference between it? I see the only one: fags fight for their rights, but do not let those who are against this stuff to hit them back. It is a fight, where only one side has a right to fight. This is how crazy things become legal under the name of tolerance for tolerance sake.

What is the next step? To respect and legalize =enter your variant= ?
 
I have never been homophobic or biphobic in my life at all. I have been friends with a lesbian couple for a couple of years and one of my old school friends is gay, when he told me he asked me not to tell anyone til he was ready to tell everyone else so I kept my word and he told everyone a few months later.
Sexual orientation no matter what it is, it is not human exclusive. It has been observed in some animals especially animals with high intelligence. There are still theories on how sexual orientation varies from person to person, some think it's determined in the womb during pregnancy, some say it is genetics while others say it depends how you feel and who you are sexually and/or romantically attracted to. Hopefully it will be proven that hetrosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality are all natural.
 
Gordar, it was a thread a few months ago, where I explained my point of view on that subject. Unfortunately this thread was closed by moders, and I am affraid that if I will repeat the same arguments (which I find very distinctive and strong) here, it will be closed either. If you really interested in argue upon this question, I can pm you a link to my post in that old thread and continue it via PM.

but in brief, my position is like that:

the fact that a person has some disposition for the inclination or perversion does not justify this inclination and does not make it normal.

a lot of criminal and psychopatic tendencies have genetic predisposition. so what? :dunno:

I believe that one day scientists will tell us that there is some gene responsible for almost every choice we make, and for every step we make.

But I am sure, that having some predisposition does not mean that you ain't got no free will, and ability to control it. This is why the argument about homosexuality as a predetermined thing does not sound convincing enough for me. A lot of shit (and even very crazy shit) might be predetermined in some way. But it doesn't mean that crazy action or crime can be justified due to that fact.

One can have genetic aptitude for cleptomania or even for, hm, let's call it the-stuff-that-is-very-much-banned-for-any-discussion-on-this-board. But he must keep himslef from following that sick predilection. Predilection is not equal to the choice. If you are a human being, you can control yourself, visit a doctor, or a psychiatrists etc - if you know that you have some bad predilections. This is how I see things.

Why there is no excuse for the sex fiend, who has some genetic predilection that might explain his crazy behaviour, but the same "excuse" works for gays? The answer is "oh, it is obvious, cuz to be gay is legal, and to be sex fiend is against the law!"

But the next question is why is it legal? People are those, who create the laws. I am human being. I have my understanding of what should be legal and not legal. I have respect this laws. I do not go in the streets with a gun and do not kill or beat fags in the streets. I just talk about it, and I ask questions. Homosexality was against the law in many countries, just as the-stuff-which-is-banned-for-discussion-on-this-board is against the law now.

What is the difference between it? I see the only one: fags fight for their rights, but do not let those who are against this stuff to hit them back. It is a fight, where only one side has a right to fight. This is how crazy things become legal under the name of tolerance for tolerance sake.

What is the next step? To respect and legalize =enter your variant= ?


I won't go into 'the forbidden stuff' either, but...

In the case of homosexuals, we're talking about 2 consenting adults. Neither of the two partners suffers physically or mentally.

& yes, as long as something does not harm another & one does not harm him/herself with it, it should be allowed & respected. Or do you want to implement other laws as well that still exist in the regions where being gay is considered illegal?
 
your asking for my initial thoughts, I asked because I don't know what is and I was hoping to get a response, although I should have looked it up online.
 
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