Homosexuality

[Wickedclown]

@ Jamrak
#1 Do you believe that it is active choice that makes people gay?
#2 Can you imagine a gay person that deserves your respect? What would that person have to do or be like?

@middlefinger
You said that you got no or few friends. Is it that tough for you to go out and find some?

 

[assholebythedoor]

Actually, I try to stay out of trouble. There is nothing but trouble around. From people cutting you off driving down the road. Or just ignorant people in general. It wouldn't be hard to find a friend. People know who I am, I have established myself. Most of those people have bad traits. I stopped hanging around. People know, I would rather get on with my life then party an such, even though I didn't get my diploma. They be acting like a bunch of dicks, haten that I made something from nothing. Still I'm in the mix. I could get a diploma. It kind of upsets me a little bit that things didn't work out the way I had thought and people act the way that they do. But life goes on, If everything was perfect, there wouldn't be any casualities. Life would be greate, not degrading. I could not ever understand why people would rather kick dirt on your name then to be friends. It comes down to a mutural standing. When it comes to friends, I don't even have a job. I'm not lazy, and I'm not ignorant. If I had a job, my reflections and decisions would not ever cross the path of someone who didn't have a job. It kind of hard to understand, asking you would be out of the question. Its like people don't have a concious. They can say they do. But look at their outter layer of skins its getting fadeded quickly and they can do is try to play it off safe. I can tell the real from the fake. I'm whole hearted to the fullest. Maybe I'm mistaken by people with a attitude bigger then there contributes. Or whatever you want to say. Its all the way live. I can talk about anything.

 

[georges]

all is a matters of personal choice. If they are happy let the homosexuals be happy. I prefer tits, ass and a nice juicy cunt.

 

[Violator79]

I like watching 2 women going at it. If that makes me gay, then I proudly proclaim myself to be a lesbian trapped in a man's body!

 

[BlueBalls]

I like watching 2 women going at it. If that makes me gay, then I proudly proclaim myself to be a lesbian trapped in a man's body!

You and me both brother

 

[assholebythedoor]

Thats too much for me. If there wasn't a playboy magazine I probably wouldn't know what a naked woman was. I've saw my mom naked but thats different. Growing up you think about, ass and titties. I thought tetris and water ballons

 

[jamrak]

@ Jamrak
#1 Do you believe that it is active choice that makes people gay?
#2 Can you imagine a gay person that deserves your respect? What would that person have to do or be like?

1. I believe that it is free will. And that it is a choice to be a batty-boy. It is not something that just fall on your head at unawares.

2. To my mind been a fag is a quality of the character. I am sure that there are some qualities of character that you do not like. For example, do you like rude or dumb people? Do you like people, who piss in the streets, or graffiti vandals who put their toy tags on your car? I think that you do not like them, and do not respect them.

Now imagine, that someone asks you: hey, Wickedclown, are there any conditions under which you will RESPECT graffiti-vandal-who-puts-his-tags-on-cars-of-other-people?

okay, another example.

Imagine someone asking you: hey, Wickedclown, what should a person be like, to earn your respect, if he is fond of shit-eating and pouring shit on the face of his girlfriend?

When I hear the question what should a gay be like, to be respected by me, I feel the same as you might feel in the example above.

Thinking deep about this question, I came to the conclusion that the most fucked up thing about batty-boys is that they want to be respected for the sexual orientation exactly and nothing else. This is stupid. And this just provokes more despise towards them.

I can respect a person for some action. For example, a few days ago there was a plane accident, and the pilot was able to land on the water. No victims. Happy end! Cool pilot. Do I repsect him for this? Yes!

But let us imagine that he is fond of scatophagy or sick shit like that. Just imagine. And that he has freeones account, with a nickname, for example "baconsalt-39". He created a few stupid threads, said a few sick things here, had a bad reputation and hardly was respected by anyone. But at the same time he is that brave pilot, the hero, who was able to save many lives during plane accident.

How to deal with that shit? A reason to respect, and some sick qualities of the character at the same time. Most of the people would say, hey, wtf? He just could not be baconsalt-39, this pilot just can't be fond of scat-games, he could not be like that just cuz it is impossible, blah blah. Maybe. But maybe no! Human beings are strange creatures. He could be fag at the same time, could not he? Nobody knows it.

So, what I was trying to say that when talking about respect, or any other feeling towards different person, we judge upon the information we have. And we never knew all the facts about the person we are talking about.

For example Hitler was a painter. If some freeones member draw a picture, similar to the one that Hitler created, and posted it here - many people would say "wow, respect, this one is cool!"
But in fact nobody knows what kind of a person is that guy. Maybe he is even worse than Adolf! :bowdown:

And again, coming back to the fags. Yes, they might have some positive qualities, and they might act like heros and save aircrafts (hypothetically). When a fuller picture is beginning to emerge, many factors affects our opinion about other person.

Show me that man, and we will stick to the subject!

But when all I know about the man is that he is a fag? Well you know the answer. Despise and the same aversion as for the scatophagy fan!
And twice despise, when he is fighting for the acknowledgment of his perversion, when he is importunately crying for public acceptance, makes self-promotion and acts like to be a fag means to belong to the "supreme race".

As soon as the subject of discussion was not "brave pilots and heros who turn out to be gays" but just "homosexuality" I was talking only about this, particular quality of the character, this side of them, having only that information about those people, and nothing else.

When someone looks for the support for his fetish for pissing and starts a thread about how cool is it to recieve a load in the mouth, I guess it doesn't come to your mind to say "wait, wait, we do not know this guy enough, maybe he is interesting and brave, maybe he is a veteran, or fire-fighter.... let us do not judge him just because of this thread!"
Cuz all you see is this thread. No other info. And your opinion is based on it.

The same is here. My words were about pure abstract fags, with no other strings attached.

I hope you understand my way of thinking.

 

[mrtrebus]

1. I believe that it is free will. And that it is a choice to be a batty-boy. It is not something that just fall on your head at unawares.

2. To my mind been a fag is a quality of the character. I am sure that there are some qualities of character that you do not like. For example, do you like rude or dumb people? Do you like people, who piss in the streets, or graffiti vandals who put their toy tags on your car? I think that you do not like them, and do not respect them.

Now imagine, that someone asks you: hey, Wickedclown, are there any conditions under which you will RESPECT graffiti-vandal-who-puts-his-tags-on-cars-of-other-people?

okay, another example.

Imagine someone asking you: hey, Wickedclown, what should a person be like, to earn your respect, if he is fond of shit-eating and pouring shit on the face of his girlfriend?

When I hear the question what should a gay be like, to be respected by me, I feel the same as you might feel in the example above.

Thinking deep about this question, I came to the conclusion that the most fucked up thing about batty-boys is that they want to be respected for the sexual orientation exactly and nothing else. This is stupid. And this just provokes more despise towards them.

I can respect a person for some action. For example, a few days ago there was a plane accident, and the pilot was able to land on the water. No victims. Happy end! Cool pilot. Do I repsect him for this? Yes!

But let us imagine that he is fond of scatophagy or sick shit like that. Just imagine. And that he has freeones account, with a nickname, for example "baconsalt-39". He created a few stupid threads, said a few sick things here, had a bad reputation and hardly was respected by anyone. But at the same time he is that brave pilot, the hero, who was able to save many lives during plane accident.

How to deal with that shit? A reason to respect, and some sick qualities of the character at the same time. Most of the people would say, hey, wtf? He just could not be baconsalt-39, this pilot just can't be fond of scat-games, he could not be like that just cuz it is impossible, blah blah. Maybe. But maybe no! Human beings are strange creatures. He could be fag at the same time, could not he? Nobody knows it.

So, what I was trying to say that when talking about respect, or any other feeling towards different person, we judge upon the information we have. And we never knew all the facts about the person we are talking about.

For example Hitler was a painter. If some freeones member draw a picture, similar to the one that Hitler created, and posted it here - many people would say "wow, respect, this one is cool!"
But in fact nobody knows what kind of a person is that guy. Maybe he is even worse than Adolf! :bowdown:

And again, coming back to the fags. Yes, they might have some positive qualities, and they might act like heros and save aircrafts (hypothetically). When a fuller picture is beginning to emerge, many factors affects our opinion about other person.

Show me that man, and we will stick to the subject!

But when all I know about the man is that he is a fag? Well you know the answer. Despise and the same aversion as for the scatophagy fan!
And twice despise, when he is fighting for the acknowledgment of his perversion, when he is importunately crying for public acceptance, makes self-promotion and acts like to be a fag means to belong to the "supreme race".

As soon as the subject of discussion was not "brave pilots and heros who turn out to be gays" but just "homosexuality" I was talking only about this, particular quality of the character, this side of them, having only that information about those people, and nothing else.

When someone looks for the support for his fetish for pissing and starts a thread about how cool is it to recieve a load in the mouth, I guess it doesn't come to your mind to say "wait, wait, we do not know this guy enough, maybe he is interesting and brave, maybe he is a veteran, or fire-fighter.... let us do not judge him just because of this thread!"
Cuz all you see is this thread. No other info. And your opinion is based on it.

The same is here. My words were about pure abstract fags, with no other strings attached.

I hope you understand my way of thinking.

Man you are 100% brain wrong! Homosexuality isn’t a choice anymore than heterosexuality is!
& making dumb ass ill conceived & bigoted narrow-minded comments about so-called “fags” says more about you than it does about homosexuals. & if you are going to make analogies make coherent ones please. Although none of your posts are coherent !
Fine, you don’t like ‘em. We can see that but why bang on about it?!?

 

[Wickedclown]

@jamrak

Yep, I understand it and (although I bet you don´t want to hear it) I stand up for applause that you still give gay people the possibility of being "o.k." after you found some more info (rescuing an airplane and such) about them.

I got problems myself with people who use "gayness" as something like an image-thing and put it on over-dramatically. On the other side I know a few gay people, one is a good friend of mine. I believe it when he sais that he was born as a "same-gender-lover". From day one when he admitted of being gay he was confronted with wildest accusations and discriminations. He never meant to harm anyones feelings by it, he just wanted to get that off his chest and live out his feelings.
Besides his friends, he avoided to speak about his sexual orientation because he feared any hostile reaction. One year ago me and my buddies where in a little neighbortown to get drunk. My friend got drunk too and let all the frustration out by a loud yell throughout the bar: "Another beer for me, the gay guy". Three of my friends ran, my gay pal, another one of my buddies and me landed in hospital. He was two months in (translate) Koma. I guess you would call the guys in the bar "rednecks".

Above all Jamrak, somebody who´s able to post intelligent shouldn´t waste himself with hate or discrimination.

Damn, my english´s so bad and I´m drunk, I hope I can make myself understandable. :glugglug:

 

[jamrak]

Fine, you don’t like ‘em. We can see that but why bang on about it?!?

it is freeones talk board, which is created for sharing opinions and talking about different things.

different people use different arguments and examples to explain their point of view upon this subject. when I see something from different angle than they, I do use my arguments to explain in which aspects I disagree with them and why.

unfortunately your comment is non-constructive, so hardly it could lead to the interesting turn of the on-topic discussion, though it was nice to see so bright emotions, have a nice day :wave2:

Wickedclown, I understand what must it mean to have a gay friend. To be friends - mean to know other person from many different sides, thats why opinion of a friend about the celebrity is always way too different from the opinion of those, who know this celebrity just as a face from TV or a magazine cover.
The same is here, it is fullness of the picture. You know a lot about this person - other know only that he is a gay. This is the difference!
I am sure many people might get beaten if they say in a pub that ...mm.. I do not know.. that George Bush is nice guy! (and yes, he might be good friend for somebody... from his school ages.. but the majority of the people know him as a fucked up president only, and it is useless (and sometimes dangerous) to try to explain to them that his personal qualities are nice and cute).
peace!

 

[Gordar]

1. I believe that it is free will. And that it is a choice to be a batty-boy. It is not something that just fall on your head at unawares.

2. To my mind been a fag is a quality of the character. I am sure that there are some qualities of character that you do not like. For example, do you like rude or dumb people? Do you like people, who piss in the streets, or graffiti vandals who put their toy tags on your car? I think that you do not like them, and do not respect them.

Now imagine, that someone asks you: hey, Wickedclown, are there any conditions under which you will RESPECT graffiti-vandal-who-puts-his-tags-on-cars-of-other-people?

okay, another example.

Imagine someone asking you: hey, Wickedclown, what should a person be like, to earn your respect, if he is fond of shit-eating and pouring shit on the face of his girlfriend?

When I hear the question what should a gay be like, to be respected by me, I feel the same as you might feel in the example above.

Thinking deep about this question, I came to the conclusion that the most fucked up thing about batty-boys is that they want to be respected for the sexual orientation exactly and nothing else. This is stupid. And this just provokes more despise towards them.

I can respect a person for some action. For example, a few days ago there was a plane accident, and the pilot was able to land on the water. No victims. Happy end! Cool pilot. Do I repsect him for this? Yes!

But let us imagine that he is fond of scatophagy or sick shit like that. Just imagine. And that he has freeones account, with a nickname, for example "baconsalt-39". He created a few stupid threads, said a few sick things here, had a bad reputation and hardly was respected by anyone. But at the same time he is that brave pilot, the hero, who was able to save many lives during plane accident.

How to deal with that shit? A reason to respect, and some sick qualities of the character at the same time. Most of the people would say, hey, wtf? He just could not be baconsalt-39, this pilot just can't be fond of scat-games, he could not be like that just cuz it is impossible, blah blah. Maybe. But maybe no! Human beings are strange creatures. He could be fag at the same time, could not he? Nobody knows it.

So, what I was trying to say that when talking about respect, or any other feeling towards different person, we judge upon the information we have. And we never knew all the facts about the person we are talking about.

For example Hitler was a painter. If some freeones member draw a picture, similar to the one that Hitler created, and posted it here - many people would say "wow, respect, this one is cool!"
But in fact nobody knows what kind of a person is that guy. Maybe he is even worse than Adolf! :bowdown:

And again, coming back to the fags. Yes, they might have some positive qualities, and they might act like heros and save aircrafts (hypothetically). When a fuller picture is beginning to emerge, many factors affects our opinion about other person.

Show me that man, and we will stick to the subject!

But when all I know about the man is that he is a fag? Well you know the answer. Despise and the same aversion as for the scatophagy fan!
And twice despise, when he is fighting for the acknowledgment of his perversion, when he is importunately crying for public acceptance, makes self-promotion and acts like to be a fag means to belong to the "supreme race".

As soon as the subject of discussion was not "brave pilots and heros who turn out to be gays" but just "homosexuality" I was talking only about this, particular quality of the character, this side of them, having only that information about those people, and nothing else.

When someone looks for the support for his fetish for pissing and starts a thread about how cool is it to recieve a load in the mouth, I guess it doesn't come to your mind to say "wait, wait, we do not know this guy enough, maybe he is interesting and brave, maybe he is a veteran, or fire-fighter.... let us do not judge him just because of this thread!"
Cuz all you see is this thread. No other info. And your opinion is based on it.

The same is here. My words were about pure abstract fags, with no other strings attached.

I hope you understand my way of thinking.

1. Not really, it's more like prefering MILFS over teens or to go a step beyond that, liking or not liking cauliflower (I do hope I spelled that right). The brain is difficult to understand, but we do know that some things, like sexual preference are pre-programmed.

2. It's not really a quality of the character. It's more a state of being (just like having a low IQ or EQ). It cannot be compared to a vandal, a guy pissing in the street or someone throwing garbage on the ground. These aren't state of beings but actions and as far as I know it's more a sign of rebellion than something that is pre-programmed in their brain.

I know the following is directed at Wickedclown, but I'll answer anyway. A person can earn my respect by being honest, fair to others and helpful when someone else is in need. Someone's sexual preference has nothing to do with it. So what if he likes eating shit or likes to shit on his girlfrined's face. Assuming that both are consenting adults, I can only come to the conclusion that
A. he has a girlfriend who's also into that stuff or
B. He won't have a girlfriend.
If the answer is A. good for him. If the answer is B. I'll try to tell him where to go to find the person he's looking for, but it certainly won't affect the way I think of the person.

Defending a person with strange fetishes? I did so in my first post in the first thread Baconsalt25 made. I tried to direct him to a better location to find the answers to his question. Sadly, the person not only ignored me but proved to be a spammer afterwards. I regret defending this particular person, but if someone else with a strange fetish joins and is smashed into the ground by the rest of the board, I'll do it again.

And why not? I personally find the big breasts (read silicone breasts) fetish disgusting, but it doesn't mean I have to smash everyone who's into it into the ground. Why should I? Why should someone's sexual preference affect the way I think of them? It's not like I'll ever come into contact with the person in a sexual way.

 

[assholebythedoor]

People believe everything they hear, but when it comes believing in God or believing they could do something extraordinary then don't believe. They are unfaithful, its all politics and pussys. I started this thread to just talk shit. It was for a sense of humor. People want to take this seriously. Maybe thats just what they want to see in order to get a laugh this thread is not funny by itself they need a furthur indepth look. To be honest, from real life experiences. I cannot stand arrigant people. They don't have a sense of humor at all. And then theres those people who have a sense of humor but don't respect other peoples sense of that it not as funny as someone else may think. Being gay? thats saying I'm happy. A homosexual is just another word. Gay? means that your happy and or a gay man. a homosexual is what they give reference towards. If I go and say I'm gay. Someone could say, he means hes a homosexual. Just cause I don't want to say that I'm happy. People think its a joke. I don't appricate people as much as I should. Its kind of hard to mind your bussiness, when other people are minded it for you. Give someone there privacy, all up in the microwave when you on a diet. Its like, people label themselves. What the fuck? sarcasm can go a long way. I don't have to put up a front for noone. You can look at someone and they aint gay. and don't say theres not a way to tell. People who consider themselves as being straight or talk about there sex life, I think they're gay. If you gonna bring that up, bring up the human nature. I don't really have anything to say. It is what it is, I figured people are all the same and they choose to change. They way you think, they aint nothing different. Whats different? putting up a front, saying I do this and I do that. Acting like your shit don't stank, so you gotta buy the most expensive things, or whatever will be will be. All I know is, people are far fetched. They aint no different then anyone else. They want to say they are different they need to come out the closet.

 

[T_C]

Look, I want to help you out if you want. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say but yeah the world is a real f'ed up place because of the so many people that ruin it for others. But not everyone is such a fag, I mean there are so many other people out there who would be really good company and can be 'real' friends. I stay away from trouble; I don't hang around with the wrong people. I don't take drugs, smoke or drink. And that's perfectly normal. I oppose homosexuality, but if one of my true friends were a homosexual, I wouldn't mind because he's a true friend. I'd still love him as a friend, it doesn't change anything. Unless he trying hitting on me, then I'd let him know how I feel about it. Hope that this is the correct message...

 

[GabberMan]

No, I'm not gay. Don't mind watching a girl give a blow job, and I can see if a man's good-looking, or even just one that woman would be attracted to for political/power/artistic/care/love reasons.

Never been into anal sex whether with men or women - although it's practised among straight couples proportionally more than among gay men.

Not gay and don't hate gays either. That's it. Each to their own.

Peace.

 

[GabberMan]

No, I'm not gay. Don't mind watching a girl give a blow job, and I can see if a man's good-looking, or even just one that woman would be attracted to for political/power/artistic/care/love reasons.

Never been into anal sex whether with men or women - although it's practised among straight couples proportionally more than among gay men.

Not gay and don't hate gays either. That's it. Each to their own.

Peace.

What was the question again?

 

[ChefChiTown]

Man you are 100% brain wrong! Homosexuality isn’t a choice anymore than heterosexuality is!

Not from what I've seen. Everybody has a different opinion on this and there is no rock solid evidence to prove either side right or wrong.

In my life, I have seen homosexuality as being a choice. If it wasn't, than the homosexual girl I dated for 3 years of my life never would've been attracted to me, as she wouldn't have "had a choice" but to be gay and attracted to other women.

 

[T_C]

Man this topic is so confusing...I don't know why the hell it was even started...

 

[BlueBalls]

Not from what I've seen. Everybody has a different opinion on this and there is no rock solid evidence to prove either side right or wrong.

In my life, I have seen homosexuality as being a choice. If it wasn't, than the homosexual girl I dated for 3 years of my life never would've been attracted to me, as she wouldn't have "had a choice" but to be gay and attracted to other women.

I'm sure there are some people who choose homosexuality for whatever reason's, psychological perhaps. But there still is a stigma attatched with homosexuality that some people try to hide, and thats why so many gay men and women settle down and get married and have children and try to hide their true feelings from themselves.

I believe homosexuality is exactly the same as heterosexuality, you are born into it. But our society still has certain distaste for gay people and thats why people try to hide it.

Yes now its not really as bad as it once was, although if you read some of the posts on here you cant really tell.

 

[Gordar]

Not from what I've seen. Everybody has a different opinion on this and there is no rock solid evidence to prove either side right or wrong.

In my life, I have seen homosexuality as being a choice. If it wasn't, than the homosexual girl I dated for 3 years of my life never would've been attracted to me, as she wouldn't have "had a choice" but to be gay and attracted to other women.

I've known a man in a similar situation. He was married & had kids, but he chose men later in his life. Of course yuou could see this as a choice if you don't ask any further, but if you do, you'll come to the conclusion that the man in question had always been a bisexual, with, in his earlier life, a preference for girls.

I don't know the details, but something in that marriage happened and he lost all faith in women. So all that remained was men.

This is of course 1 option. Another option is that the person in question comes out of the closet at a rather late point in his or her life.

Do a little test. Buy a playgirl (or even better, go to any site on the internet which hosts naked men) and look at the men in the magazine. If you even get slightly excited/have sexual thoughts when looking at the man, you're a bisexual & you could at some point in your life decide to try to do something with other men. If not, then you will never in your life be able to do anything with other men, or at least you won't get much satisfaction out of it...

 

[mrtrebus]

Not from what I've seen. Everybody has a different opinion on this and there is no rock solid evidence to prove either side right or wrong.

In my life, I have seen homosexuality as being a choice. If it wasn't, than the homosexual girl I dated for 3 years of my life never would've been attracted to me, as she wouldn't have "had a choice" but to be gay and attracted to other women.

But do heterosexual people choose to be so?!? IF so when coz I cant remember when I said to myself, “right I’m going to be attracted to women not men”

Homosexuals are still, in the 21st century, subjected to abuse both mental & physical, stigmatised & persecuted. Why, given that, would anyone choose to be homosexual?!?