God forbid scientists seek attention!!!!
HIV A Lie and a Farse? House Of Numbers
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God forbid scientists seek attention!!!!
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HERE PLEASE READ THIS:
"A STATEMENT ABOUT THE FILM HOUSE OF NUMBERS
BY PEOPLE WHO APPEAR IN IT"
http://www.sitemason.com/files/lDjTYQ/House of Numbers Letter.pdf
"We are writing to state our strong objections to ‘House of Numbers’ and the agendas it promotes. We consider the film as being harmful to the best interests of the general public and, in particular, people with HIV infection or at risk for acquiring it. We all appear in the film, having granted interviews to its Director, Mr. Brent Leung, during the period 2006-2008. Mr. Leung was deceptive in his interactions with us. He informed us that his film was intended to present the true history of AIDS research, and an accurate summary of the science of HIV infection. He also told several of us that he intended the film would expose and counter many of the myths about HIV and AIDS that have been promoted by a small clique of individuals we refer
to as “AIDS denialists”.
The reality is that his film does none of those things. Instead, it presents the AIDS denialist agenda as being a legitimate scientific perspective on HIV/AIDS, when it is no such thing. His film perpetuates pseudo-science and myths..."
The article goes on to pretty much explain exactly why this film is absolute GARBAGE...and would only trick the minds of the weak. Dont follow bad science blindly. Do some actual research and find out the truth on your own.
Again I ask, did you actually watch the film?
I watched the whole thing. The argument that HIV isn't the cause of AIDS is only expressed by a few scientists; all who back that claim. The majority of the doc deals with exposing the inconsistencies of what we consider AIDS based on socio-economic status across the globe. That and the inconsistency of HIV diagnosis and the ignored side effects of HIV medication. None of that is refuted. I didn't come out of this thinking that HIV doesn't exist or that there's a global conspiracy...this isn't the Loose Change of AIDS and it's not meant to be.
I ask if you have seen the film because it honestly seems like you're arguing against what you think the film consists of.
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Jesus fuckin christ...did you not read that last post of mine? THAT IS ABSOLUTE GOLD!!!!
Its definitive proof, from PEOPLE ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED IN THE FILM that the creator misrepresented their TRUE opinions with clever editing, and blatant disregard of any sort of ethics. I didn't think I could be any more clear how I feel about the film.
But if you still dont get it, Ill post the rest of the statement for everybody to see.
AIDS denialists individually or collectively promote several notions that have no basis in science or the facts. Among these views are that HIV either does not exist or is harmless; that therapies for HIV infection are themselves the cause of AIDS; that drug abuse causes AIDS; that HIV was created by the US government to kill Africans and African-Americans as an act of genocide; that diagnostic tests for HIV infection do not work. None of these beliefs is true. AIDS denialism has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of South Africans, and many more individuals in the USA and other countries. For more information on the dangers of AIDS denialism and the damage it has caused, we encourage you to review material posted at http://www.aidstruth.org .
The scientific facts are: HIV is a natural virus that entered the human population from chimpanzees many years ago. HIV diagnostic assays are highly accurate and reliable. Untreated HIV infection eventually kills most of the people who acquire it, by causing AIDS, but anti-retroviral therapy dramatically prolongs the lives of those who have access to it. While good nutrition is important for general health and well being, it is not sufficient to prevent or treat HIV infection and it cannot cure AIDS. For accurate sources of information on these central points, please refer to material posted at the following sites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_AIDS
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1126531
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003538.htm
http://www.aidsfactsheet.com/facts.htm
We have viewed the film's trailer, and we are aware of reports about the film's contents that are circulating on the internet after Mr. Leung gave an advance showing to AIDS denialists (a courtesy he did not extend to us). We believe that 'House of Numbers' presents some of our views out of their proper context. By editing our interviews to suit his preconceived agenda, Mr. Leung attempts to portray AIDS scientists as divided and disorganized, and he seeks to present legitimate differences of scientific opinion on various aspects of HIV/AIDS in a way that disguises the wider and more substantive points on which we all agree and which we have stated strongly, here and elsewhere (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v406/n6791/full/406015a0.html).
'House of Numbers' is an inaccurate portrayal of the truth about HIV and AIDS. Mr. Leung persuaded us to take part in it by acting deceitfully and unethically. None of us would have agreed to be interviewed for the film had we known it would promote the AIDS denialist agenda, and include members of that small clique as participants of supposedly equivalent credibility.
We register our protest about 'House of Numbers' out of respect for the millions of people who have already died from AIDS. This film could cause more unnecessary deaths, if any of those who watch it are persuaded that it is not necessary to reduce their risks for acquiring HIV infection, or take the appropriate therapies if they do become infected.
Donald Abrams, MD - Professor, University of California San Francisco
Francoise Barre-Sinoussi, PhD - Professor, Institut Pasteur, Paris, France
David Baltimore, PhD - Professor, California Institute of Technology
Niel T. Constantine, PhD - Professor, University of Maryland School of Medicine, Baltimore
Robert C. Gallo, MD - Professor, University of Maryland School of Medicine, Baltimore
Hans R. Gelderblom, PhD - Professor, Robert Koch-Institut, Berlin, Germany
Harold Jaffe, MD - Professor, University of Oxford, UK
Claudia Kücherer, PhD - Robert Koch - Institute, Berlin, Germany
Daniel R. Kuritzkes, MD - Professor, Harvard University, Boston
Reinhard Kurth, MD - Professor, Robert Koch - Institute, Berlin, Germany
Jay Levy, MD - Professor, University of California San Francisco
Joseph B. McCormick, MD - Professor, University of Texas School of Public Health
John P. Moore, PhD - Professor, Weill Medical College of Cornell University, New York
Nancy Padian, PhD - Professor, University of California Berkeley
Peter Piot, MD - Professor, Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine, London, UK
Robert R. Redfield, MD - Professor, University of Maryland School of Medicine, Baltimore
Robin A. Weiss, PhD - Professor, University College London, UK
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so what it comes down to is this...
All of these highly regarded EXPERTS put a statement out that regards the film as, "an inaccurate portrayal of the truth about HIV and AIDS".
If you continue to take the word of Leung over theirs, well thats your prerogative I suppose...
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All of these highly regarded EXPERTS put a statement out that regards the film as, "an inaccurate portrayal of the truth about HIV and AIDS".
If you continue to take the word of Leung over theirs, well thats your prerogative I suppose...
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All he said was to watch it, and see if they were taken out of context. You can see for yourself. Scientists who have their lives invested in HIV being the cause of Aids will fight to the very end at any cost to make sure people always believe it. So I fully expect they would say they were taken out of context.
Actually when it comes to guys like Gallo he could actually be charged as a criminal for fraud down the road if this story unravels.
Just watch the film, bottom line.
I just wrote a whole diatribe that got lost I don't know how. I'm glad it's lost because it was pretty angry. Mainly because you never fucking watched the film and continue to cite Wiki-stats in order to condemn it in its entirety.
The film isn't about HIV not causing AIDS. I don't believe that HIV isn't a cause of AIDS. It's one of the many facets and no scientists are misrepresented...they're just upset that they're attached to it. But this is feudal; I'm arguing with a guy who has spent more time delegitimizing a movie than he spent actually watching it. It's absurd.
I can't think of anything more ignorant. Oh and by the way, Tron Legacy sucked. I never saw it, but I can say that based on how I assume it was.
Thank you!
Eventually HIV/AIDS will be cured 100% for sure. The question is when and how long it takes.
A significant no. of north European white males don't get AIDS/HIV because they lack the entry site antigentic marker for the HIV virus to enter and infect the cells.
The problem is how to find a similar blocker to block the entry of HIV virus into T4 lymphocytes. It may take another few years but we already identify the way to "CURE" AIDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A significant no. of north European white males don't get AIDS/HIV because they lack the entry site antigentic marker for the HIV virus to enter and infect the cells.
The problem is how to find a similar blocker to block the entry of HIV virus into T4 lymphocytes. It may take another few years but we already identify the way to "CURE" AIDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing is ever cured 100%. There are these things call mutations that happen which tend to put a kibosh on that whole theory.
A patient was cured of AIDS by bone marrow transplant using AIDS-resistant T4
lymphocytes donor ! Read the Science journal !!!
AIDS will be conquered. It is just that simple.
I agree HIV virus will undergo mutation and use another antigenic site to enter the cells.
But with the combo of Highly Active Retro-Virus Medication and HIV antigenic site blockers, 80-90% of patients will be under controlled.
There is no such thing as 100% cured, but 80%-90% rate to control the infection of HIV/AIDS is better than nothing !
Bone marrow 'cures HIV patient'
HIV particle
About one in 1,000 Europeans and Americans have a resistance to HIV
Doctors in Germany say a patient appears to have been cured of HIV by a bone marrow transplant from a donor who had a genetic resistance to the virus.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7726118.stm
HIV particle
About one in 1,000 Europeans and Americans have a resistance to HIV
Doctors in Germany say a patient appears to have been cured of HIV by a bone marrow transplant from a donor who had a genetic resistance to the virus.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7726118.stm
You are missing the point of this film. Aids is already 100% cured. Don't take the drug cocktail. And detox your body and eat healthy. DONE!
Having spent quite a lot of time in third world nations, especially Africa, I would invite you to do the same. I can guarantee that you will absolutely not come away with the same perspective.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Don't take medicine just eat healthy!!!
If anything is bogus it's detoxing. The human body does not need to 'detox'.
Welcome to the argument. It's futile, but fun. He's not trying to have a discussion, he's trying to make converts. Just so you know.
That's called poverty mixed with lack of knowledge.
Er no it's not. But keep believing your secret underground misinformation if it makes you think that you know The Truth as opposed to all the lies that the rest of us believe in forcefed to us by The System man!
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
I thought the cure to AIDs was about $180,000 shot directly into the bloodstream?
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