Healthcare Profits

jasonk282

Banned
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iorq8FSpX_4LX_UG_xHQIjJY3SvgD9BIQPN01

THE NUMBERS:

Health insurers posted a 2.2 percent profit margin last year, placing them 35th of 53 industries on the Fortune 500 list. As is typical, other health sectors did much better — drugs and medical products and services were both in the top 10.

The railroads brought in a 12.6 percent profit margin. Leading the list: network and other communications equipment, at 20.4 percent.

HealthSpring, the best performer in the health insurance industry, posted 5.4 percent. That's a less profitable margin than was achieved by the makers of Tupperware, Clorox bleach and Molson and Coors beers.

The star among the health insurance companies did, however, nose out Jack in the Box restaurants, which only achieved a 4 percent margin.

UnitedHealth Group, reporting third quarter results last week, saw fortunes improve. It managed a 5 percent profit margin on an 8 percent growth in revenue.

Van Hollen is right that premiums have more than doubled in a decade, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation study that found a 131 percent increase.

But were the Bush years golden ones for health insurers?

Not judging by profit margins, profit growth or returns to shareholders. The industry's overall profits grew only 8.8 percent from 2003 to 2008, and its margins year to year, from 2005 forward, never cracked 8 percent.

The latest annual profit margins of a selection of products, services and industries: Tupperware Brands, 7.5 percent; Yahoo, 5.9 percent; Hershey, 6.1 percent; Clorox, 8.7 percent; Molson Coors Brewing, 8.1 percent; construction and farm machinery, 5 percent; Yum Brands (think KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell), 8.5 percent.
 
Don't upset people with facts and statistics when they are on a power grab... everyone knows the government runs the best programs!
 
Nothing is going to change, no matter what route congresses chooses, unless the actual cost to provide care is reduced, and that is largely the concern of the hospitals and clinics, but why would they reduce their rates if Medicare/Medicaid and the private health insurers will pay such high rates for their services.
 

Kingfisher

Here Zombie, Zombie, Zombie...
It's disgusting. Healthcare companies are as bad as Hitler! Well maybe not that bad but I mean come on, they threatened to raise everybody's rates if the Gov plan went through. That sounds like extortion to me. If they do it, would that be criminal extortion?
 
Don't upset people with facts and statistics when they are on a power grab... everyone knows the government runs the best programs!

Yes, the U.S. military, firefighter and police departments are proof of this
 
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Yes it would. But they know that everyone will leave their bullshit plans anyway and enroll in the Gov't plan.

More people are waking up to the reality that they can no longer trust big business. The Gov't's main job is to keep citizens safe, secure and happy. I don't see any kind of profit-motive in the base mission of gov't. :dunno:
 

jasonk282

Banned
It's disgusting. Healthcare companies are as bad as Hitler! Well maybe not that bad but I mean come on, they threatened to raise everybody's rates if the Gov plan went through. That sounds like extortion to me. If they do it, would that be criminal extortion?

Extortion would be , Buy the goverment health plan or pay the price.

Sorta like buy my Mafia protection or pay the price.
 
Boy they seem to be very anxious to preserve their industry and those slim profit margins.We will be doing them a favor right if we went to a single payer system and eliminated them? Then they could take there money and invest in something else more profitable.

BTW have you seen the salaries of the CEO's of these insurance companies?:1orglaugh
 
titsrock

don't forget to add public libraries to that list as well :)

Extortion would be , Buy the goverment health plan or pay the price.

Sorta like buy my Mafia protection or pay the price.

Who told you that the government is forcing you to buy the public option?
 
titsrock

don't forget to add public libraries to that list as well :)
You're correct. Public Libraries are a treasure. They just opened a new one down from where I live. It's a "green" building, it's got books, DVDs, computer stuff. Very useful.


Who told you that the government is forcing you to buy the public option?

Clearly not his military vet buddies. It is strange that Jason seems to distrust the Gov't (in general) but not the Military? Hmm.....
 

jasonk282

Banned
BTW have you seen the salaries of the CEO's of these insurance companies?:1orglaugh

I have and they do not compare to the 20 highest paid CEO's of 2008.
The top 20 highest paid CEOs, and their companies:

1. Larry Ellison, Oracle (US$192 million)
2. Frederic M Poses, Trane (US$127 million)
3. Aubrey K McClendon, Chesapeake Energy (US$117 million)
4. Angelo R Mozilo, Countrywide Financial (US$103 million)
5. Howard D Schultz, Starbucks (US$98.6 million)
6. Nabeel Gareeb, MEMC Electronic Mats (US$79.6 million)
7. Daniel P Amos, Aflac (US$75.2 million)
8. Lloyd C Blankfein, Goldman Sachs (US$73.7 million)
9. Richard D Fairbank, Capital One Financial (US$73.2 million)
10. Bob R Simpson, XTO Energy (US$72.3 million)
11. Richard S Fuld Jr, Lehman Brothers (US$71.9 million)
12. Steven Roth, Vornado Realty (US$71.9 million)
13. Marijn E Dekkers, Thermo Fisher, (US$69 million)
14. Steven A Burd, Safeway (US$67.2 million)
15. Gregg L Engles, Dean Foods (US$66.1 million)
16. Nicholas D Chabraja, General Dynamics (US$60 million)
17. Leslie H Wexner, Limited Brands (US$56.1 million)
18. David C Novak, Yum Brands (US$55 million)
19. John T Chambers, Cisco Systems (US$54.8 million)
20. William R Berkley, WR Berkley (US$55 million)

only ONE health insurance provider, Aflac, is on the list.

http://skorcareer.com.my/blog/the-highest-paid-ceos-in-2008/2008/07/17/
 
So we should celebrate that Healthcare ceos make less than $55mil a year:rolleyes:?

How many ceos on this list oversaw companies who stock's performed well enough to justify these salaries? I'm guessing.....zero. Maybe we should ask Angelo Mozilo that question?:mad:

Oh gee, isn't Lehman Bros gone too? Starbucks has been in the shitter since Howard Schultz came out of retirement.

This certainly isn't a list of top performers is it?
 
I have and they do not compare to the 20 highest paid CEO's of 2008.
The top 20 highest paid CEOs, and their companies:

1. Larry Ellison, Oracle (US$192 million)
2. Frederic M Poses, Trane (US$127 million)
3. Aubrey K McClendon, Chesapeake Energy (US$117 million)
4. Angelo R Mozilo, Countrywide Financial (US$103 million)
5. Howard D Schultz, Starbucks (US$98.6 million)
6. Nabeel Gareeb, MEMC Electronic Mats (US$79.6 million)
7. Daniel P Amos, Aflac (US$75.2 million)
8. Lloyd C Blankfein, Goldman Sachs (US$73.7 million)
9. Richard D Fairbank, Capital One Financial (US$73.2 million)
10. Bob R Simpson, XTO Energy (US$72.3 million)
11. Richard S Fuld Jr, Lehman Brothers (US$71.9 million)
12. Steven Roth, Vornado Realty (US$71.9 million)
13. Marijn E Dekkers, Thermo Fisher, (US$69 million)
14. Steven A Burd, Safeway (US$67.2 million)
15. Gregg L Engles, Dean Foods (US$66.1 million)
16. Nicholas D Chabraja, General Dynamics (US$60 million)
17. Leslie H Wexner, Limited Brands (US$56.1 million)
18. David C Novak, Yum Brands (US$55 million)
19. John T Chambers, Cisco Systems (US$54.8 million)
20. William R Berkley, WR Berkley (US$55 million)

only ONE health insurance provider, Aflac, is on the list.

http://skorcareer.com.my/blog/the-highest-paid-ceos-in-2008/2008/07/17/

CEO's at the insurance companies are still in the millions.
http://www.healthreformwatch.com/2009/05/20/health-insurance-ceos-total-compensation-in-2008/


And personally I think anyone who is on salary in the millions is vastly overpaid,so two wrongs don't make a right.

But the real issue isn't these companies profits or pay scales it's how inefficent and wastefull having all these different companies is and how much we could save with some changes.

I had started a thread on this news story which is a popular story at yahoo but nobody paid any attention to it here.

"Healthcare system wastes up to $800 billion a year"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091026/hl_nm/us_usa_healthcare_waste
 

jasonk282

Banned
So we should celebrate that Healthcare ceos make less than $55mil a year:rolleyes:?

How many ceos on this list oversaw companies who stock's performed well enough to justify these salaries? I'm guessing.....zero. Maybe we should ask Angelo Mozilo that question?:mad:

Oh gee, isn't Lehman Bros gone too? Starbucks has been in the shitter since Howard Schultz came out of retirement.

This certainly isn't a list of top performers is it?

No it's a list of the highest paid CEO's of 2008. yes companies are now gone, but these are the highest paid CEO's in American last year. We have to wait till jan 10 to get 09's list.
 
No it's a list of the highest paid CEO's of 2008. yes companies are now gone, but these are the highest paid CEO's in American last year. We have to wait till jan 10 to get 09's list.

Used to be a saying "you will never get rich working for somebody else".Guess thats all shot to hell.On some level I can undestand the salaries of an A-rod or a madonna you know sports and entertainers salaries as they do have to actually do something tangible for their money and compete against others in somewhat free market for their money.But I just don't see what Larry Ellison at Oracle and the rest could possibly be doing for their salary levels to be justified.
 

jasonk282

Banned
Used to be a saying "you will never get rich working for somebody else".Guess thats all shot to hell.On some level I can undestand the salaries of an A-rod or a madonna you know sports and entertainers salaries as they do have to actually do something tangible for their money and compete against others in somewhat free market for their money.But I just don't see what Larry Ellison at Oracle and the rest could possibly be doing for their salary levels to be justified.

I agree with you, but let's not say that Insurance Companies are getting extreamly rich, when that is clear not the case.
 
I agree with you, but let's not say that Insurance Companies are getting extreamly rich, when that is clear not the case.

Think both of us would take a tenth of what those not getting rich CEO's at insurance companies are getting and feel rich lol.
 
the goverment runs the Post office it lost 8 billion dollars last year, the SS had lost or been defrauded out of 200 billion dollars last year. Gov only does the millitary well
 
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