What? As far as Tebow, that is out of my control, but it was clear this thread was created by someone else, not me. We know why he/she started it too. If you think Orton is a gem than start a thread praising him.
Haters of Tebow correct
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What? As far as Tebow, that is out of my control, but it was clear this thread was created by someone else, not me. We know why he/she started it too. If you think Orton is a gem than start a thread praising him.
What? As far as Tebow, that is out of my control, but it was clear this thread was created by someone else, not me. We know why he/she started it too. If you think Orton is a gem than start a thread praising him.
Oh he's not a gem. Not even a shiny rock.
Its about mediocre talent being forced down our throats. Hes a giant publicity stunt from hell.....
Oh well. He's garbage. They still gon get in the playoffs.
Sam Fisher
Banned
Broncos go to the Playoffs!
At his position, no, there isn't many that are starting and worse than him.
Denver is lucky that they are in the division they are in this year.
BCT
Pucker Up Butter Cup.
But I thought he was a winner? :1orglaugh
Just costing themselves a better draft pick. QB might be the right choice.
StanScratch
My Penis Is Dancing!
In the end, Tebow is ranked in passing in the NFL 23rd...just over Carson Palmer, who has not been considered a great quarterback for quite some time. He is near the bottom in attempts and at the very bottom in completions and percentage. He is near the bottom in yards. He is 26th in TDs, but he did throw fewer interceptions (might have something to do with fewest attempts, though). He is 13th in being sacked. He does rank highest in rushing quarterbacks, so he does have that. But then again, so did Vick in his prime.
I guess their success on the rest of the season depends on who they play in the first round. If they are lucky enough to draw the Bengals, then they will move on for sure - Cincinnati has not won one playoff game in the Mike Brown era, I do not see this ending this year.
I guess their success on the rest of the season depends on who they play in the first round. If they are lucky enough to draw the Bengals, then they will move on for sure - Cincinnati has not won one playoff game in the Mike Brown era, I do not see this ending this year.
Jagger69
Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
Tebow is highly overrated and it showed today when he couldn't get it done against a very mediocre Chiefs team. The plain truth is, he just doesn't have NFL-caliber skills as a QB....end of story.
As far as the Bengals go, as long as they end up playing the Texans under their current handicaps, they have an excellent chance of advancing. I just don't see how (speaking of Gary Kubiak here) positioning your team to prepare for the playoffs by losing 3 straight games bodes well for your chances. Not happy at all with the way he has handled this team during this stretch.
Sam Fisher
Banned
I'd say he has done quite remarkable, considering. They made it to the playoffs, and regardless of how they got there, it was a team effort. They could have easily have said "fuck it" during that string of remarkable late game comebacks. But, they didn't and lookee here... off to the playoffs they go, when other teams with quarterbacks having much more experience than Tebow, are cleaning out their lockers tonight.
To judge him good or bad after just his first season is silly at best. If he is out of football after three or four years, then yeah, he will be remembered as a so-so quarterback. If he is in the league as a starter for six or more years, then it would be fair to say he was an accomplished quarterback. So, maybe we should all hold our judgment and see how his career pans out.
It always amazes me why so many people root for a guy to fail. And a good guy at that.
To judge him good or bad after just his first season is silly at best. If he is out of football after three or four years, then yeah, he will be remembered as a so-so quarterback. If he is in the league as a starter for six or more years, then it would be fair to say he was an accomplished quarterback. So, maybe we should all hold our judgment and see how his career pans out.
It always amazes me why so many people root for a guy to fail. And a good guy at that.
Hopefully they'll lose the first round so we don't have to hear about them anymore. 
I've never seen a guy as unskilled at being a professional quarterback for the length of time he has played for already at the professional level turn it around a huge amount and become great, or even well above average. If he can do it then it will be a very rare occurrence indeed. That's why people are judging him because of what history has shown what will probably happen again.
I could also mention that the length you listed for people being considered good isn't even a good indication itself. For example, even Joey Harrington somehow managed to be a STARTER in the NFL for years and years and years. He lasted the better part of a decade before he even washed out of the NFL altogether and he was terrible. (And he was still quite a bit better than Tebow is now.)
It's not that so many people want Tebow to fail or hate him. (Although I'm sure those people are out there) I don't have a problem with him personally. (other than it irks me when people feel the need to prove something to other people by doing purposefully, blatantly overt, and public religious acts) He's probably generally a good person. Unfortunately, as shown by the number of jerks in the league, being a good person and being a good football player are not mutually inclusive. It's not that people want to root for him to fail as much as a lot of people want others, especially those caught up in Tebowmania to EXCEPT REALITY, and that is he's not a very good quarterback. Not only is he not a good quarterback, to be brutal, he's terrible, one of the worst in the league, and given past indicators it's very unlikely he will ever be good. Unless something really really starts clicking with him soon, his upside is below average.
If he wasn't Tebow and didn't have the circus that follows him since his college days hardly anybody would care about him, or want him starting for the long haul, or maybe even know who he is. Nobody would blink if they replaced him in that situation, and to be brutal again, he probably wouldn't even have been given the staring job considering he was the 3rd string person when he was given it.
StanScratch
My Penis Is Dancing!
Tebow actually reminds me a bit of Kordell Stewart - a great rushing quarterback, but not a very good complete quarterback.
Sam Fisher
Banned
What’s Behind “The Tebow Mystery”?
December 13, 2011 by jmk444
For the first four games of this season, the Denver Broncos had relegated their first round draft pick of 2010 (Quarterback Tim Tebow) to 3rd string status, behind both Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn, almost certainly destined never to see any significant action.
Drafted by Josh McDaniel and the previous Denver Bronco regime, the current team management had little if any faith in the unconventional QB.
But after a 1-4 start with Kyle Orton, Tim Tebow got the nod and since then has gone 7-1, with Denver winning its last 6 games. There hasn’t been anything like this turn around, mostly predicated upon heart-stopping end game comebacks.
To be sure, a LOT has broken well for the Broncos and Tebow’s knack for pulling games out in the last 6 or 7 minutes, coupled with his apparent Evangelical Christian devotion has led some to speculate some sort of “Divine intervention” being involved in all this, after all, most of the “football experts” had derided Tebow’s skill set as “sub-par” and STILL deride him as “not an NFL ready Quaterback.”
Ironically enough, Tebow’s surprising, even shocking end-game heroics seems to support “Expanding Variability” far more than they do “Divine intervention.”
Let’s accept that, regardless of your religious persuasion, <i>“Any God would have more important things to do than control or even care about the outcomes of some NFL football games.”</i> Tebow himself has acknowledged that much!
So, absent any “Divine intervention,” it’s safe to say that most (over 90%) of the “football experts” (NFL Analysts) were simply wrong about Tebow.
If so, HOW so?!
That very question seems to evince some surprise that “experts” can be wrong, when in FACT, “experts” in virtually ALL fields are routinely wrong, they are, in fact, far more often wrong than right!
The RAND “Model Cities” program was seen by “experts” to be “the future of the socially engineered city.”
It was, as relatively recent history shows, an abject and epic failure.
Well, it’s the same thing with the Tim Tebow phenomenon.
Most experts/analysts have focused on Tebow’s short-comings, his unconventional and unwieldy throwing motion, his inaccuracy when passing “into tight windows” (covered receivers).
The fact is that Tebow’s strength’s, which are also unconventional for a QB, create a number of variables that most of the “experts” couldn’t or wouldn’t see and thus didn’t take into account.
The first of these is Tebow’s size (6’4”/240) and athleticism (he is both a fast and very powerful runner). These present problems for defenses that most conventional QB’s simply don’t.
Tebow’s ability to shake off tacklers and take off on game-changing runs, puts greater strain on defenses and that tends to leave many receivers open, ESPECIALLY when defenses get to the end of a game where they move into “Prevent mode,” where they look primarily to keep the receivers in front of the defensive secondary.
In other words, Tebow’s unconventional skill-set is tailor-made to take advantage of the NFL’s “Prevent Defense,” and he and Denver have done that very well over his eight game tenure.
“Divine intervention,” in this case, seems to be a convenient cover grasped upon by “experts” embarrassed by the fact that they’ve been once again been proven wrong.
Tim Tebow may be religious, but no more so than many other athletes, including the likes of boxer Mohammad Ali, former NFL QB Kurt Warner, Pitcher Mariano Rivera, sprinter Allyson Felix and golfer Zach Johnson.
While Tim Tebow may well be an extremely inspirational leader, one who is beloved and supported by teammates, he also has a skill-set, as unconventional as it may be, that lends itself to end game heroics, that have, to date, befuddled the “experts.”
Perhaps we should all learn to have LESS faith in “experts,” rather than more in “Divine intervention.”
http://aleksandreia.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/whats-behind-the-tebow-mystery/
December 13, 2011 by jmk444
For the first four games of this season, the Denver Broncos had relegated their first round draft pick of 2010 (Quarterback Tim Tebow) to 3rd string status, behind both Kyle Orton and Brady Quinn, almost certainly destined never to see any significant action.
Drafted by Josh McDaniel and the previous Denver Bronco regime, the current team management had little if any faith in the unconventional QB.
But after a 1-4 start with Kyle Orton, Tim Tebow got the nod and since then has gone 7-1, with Denver winning its last 6 games. There hasn’t been anything like this turn around, mostly predicated upon heart-stopping end game comebacks.
To be sure, a LOT has broken well for the Broncos and Tebow’s knack for pulling games out in the last 6 or 7 minutes, coupled with his apparent Evangelical Christian devotion has led some to speculate some sort of “Divine intervention” being involved in all this, after all, most of the “football experts” had derided Tebow’s skill set as “sub-par” and STILL deride him as “not an NFL ready Quaterback.”
Ironically enough, Tebow’s surprising, even shocking end-game heroics seems to support “Expanding Variability” far more than they do “Divine intervention.”
Let’s accept that, regardless of your religious persuasion, <i>“Any God would have more important things to do than control or even care about the outcomes of some NFL football games.”</i> Tebow himself has acknowledged that much!
So, absent any “Divine intervention,” it’s safe to say that most (over 90%) of the “football experts” (NFL Analysts) were simply wrong about Tebow.
If so, HOW so?!
That very question seems to evince some surprise that “experts” can be wrong, when in FACT, “experts” in virtually ALL fields are routinely wrong, they are, in fact, far more often wrong than right!
The RAND “Model Cities” program was seen by “experts” to be “the future of the socially engineered city.”
It was, as relatively recent history shows, an abject and epic failure.
Well, it’s the same thing with the Tim Tebow phenomenon.
Most experts/analysts have focused on Tebow’s short-comings, his unconventional and unwieldy throwing motion, his inaccuracy when passing “into tight windows” (covered receivers).
The fact is that Tebow’s strength’s, which are also unconventional for a QB, create a number of variables that most of the “experts” couldn’t or wouldn’t see and thus didn’t take into account.
The first of these is Tebow’s size (6’4”/240) and athleticism (he is both a fast and very powerful runner). These present problems for defenses that most conventional QB’s simply don’t.
Tebow’s ability to shake off tacklers and take off on game-changing runs, puts greater strain on defenses and that tends to leave many receivers open, ESPECIALLY when defenses get to the end of a game where they move into “Prevent mode,” where they look primarily to keep the receivers in front of the defensive secondary.
In other words, Tebow’s unconventional skill-set is tailor-made to take advantage of the NFL’s “Prevent Defense,” and he and Denver have done that very well over his eight game tenure.
“Divine intervention,” in this case, seems to be a convenient cover grasped upon by “experts” embarrassed by the fact that they’ve been once again been proven wrong.
Tim Tebow may be religious, but no more so than many other athletes, including the likes of boxer Mohammad Ali, former NFL QB Kurt Warner, Pitcher Mariano Rivera, sprinter Allyson Felix and golfer Zach Johnson.
While Tim Tebow may well be an extremely inspirational leader, one who is beloved and supported by teammates, he also has a skill-set, as unconventional as it may be, that lends itself to end game heroics, that have, to date, befuddled the “experts.”
Perhaps we should all learn to have LESS faith in “experts,” rather than more in “Divine intervention.”
http://aleksandreia.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/whats-behind-the-tebow-mystery/
He helped get them in a position where Oakland losing meant Denver got in.
Pittsburgh is going to blow Denver out of the water.
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