fuck i give up on this subject. i meant some girls are freaks like bella, brianna banks. some girls like certain things, that was my point. look i am so sorry that the two of you to what i said out of context. i really didn't mean anything by it. i was just trying to prove a point that certain girls where treated different. anything else the two of you would like to critique me on. anything at all.
Has lacey duvalle gone crazy???
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Despite what you may believe, ilovepornpics... I truly have no issue with you. You made a statement that seemed inappropriate to the thread and I responded back to you in all politeness.
I'm not criticizing you in any way except for this:
* If you feel your comments were taken out of context, then by all means, explain yourself in an articulate, educated manner that won't cause people to possibly take offense or misunderstand your comments. Take the time to gather your thoughts and fully explain your statements. The way your first post was worded led me to understand that you were making reference to the fact that she received this treatment simply because she is a woman of color... which is patently untrue. It's happened to women of every race, color, creed, shape, size, and so on and so on. Had you really read my comment to you completely, I think You Might see I wasn't "criticizing", per se. I was merely commenting on the fact that bringing the color of a person's skin into the equation was a bit much; a bit juvenile, really.
* Your last statement that superfly2 commented on leads me to believe that you are the one making more out of it than need be. Ditto for the post above where you make mention that "Bella, Briana Banks, etc., etc." are "all freaks"... Yes, we know that there are some actresses who do voluntarily do these types of films purely for the sexual pleasure and financial gain. Nobody - including me - has disputed that singular fact nor are we taking anything away from them. What was being discussed was why a woman who never has appeared in these sorts of films would subject herself to the degredation and humiliation that so many of us are talking about.
As I stated a minute ago, I have no issues with you. If you feel you were statements were taken out of context, than I do sincerely apologize. However, it might be wise to be a bit more careful with the way you word your posts. Just from outward context alone, one can interpret a lot from what you wrote.
So... let's get back to the topic and continue the discussion?
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I'm not criticizing you in any way except for this:
* If you feel your comments were taken out of context, then by all means, explain yourself in an articulate, educated manner that won't cause people to possibly take offense or misunderstand your comments. Take the time to gather your thoughts and fully explain your statements. The way your first post was worded led me to understand that you were making reference to the fact that she received this treatment simply because she is a woman of color... which is patently untrue. It's happened to women of every race, color, creed, shape, size, and so on and so on. Had you really read my comment to you completely, I think You Might see I wasn't "criticizing", per se. I was merely commenting on the fact that bringing the color of a person's skin into the equation was a bit much; a bit juvenile, really.
* Your last statement that superfly2 commented on leads me to believe that you are the one making more out of it than need be. Ditto for the post above where you make mention that "Bella, Briana Banks, etc., etc." are "all freaks"... Yes, we know that there are some actresses who do voluntarily do these types of films purely for the sexual pleasure and financial gain. Nobody - including me - has disputed that singular fact nor are we taking anything away from them. What was being discussed was why a woman who never has appeared in these sorts of films would subject herself to the degredation and humiliation that so many of us are talking about.
As I stated a minute ago, I have no issues with you. If you feel you were statements were taken out of context, than I do sincerely apologize. However, it might be wise to be a bit more careful with the way you word your posts. Just from outward context alone, one can interpret a lot from what you wrote.
So... let's get back to the topic and continue the discussion?
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Fair enough, I assumed you were talking about standards but you weren't. It's my belief that it isn't possible to target one facet of the industry without imposing a standard across the board. For example, it would not be possible to stop drunk driving without a government standard blood alcohol limit. Similarly, violent porn will thrive and women will be hurt until a standard for "safe porn" is drawn. Unfortunately, a standard will never be drawn until the masses consider adult entertainers as more than just sinners or titillating meat.
On the subject of some pornstars enjoying mistreatment, I believe nobody truly enjoys it. People do what they have to do to make a living or fulfill contractual obligations they signed in desperate times. You hear stories of young wannabe models traveling across the country with $300 in their pocket to make it big -- how many actual succeed, and what happens to the rest? Lacey was smart enough to give up after doing this video (or so the rumour goes). Some girls stick with it, their self-esteem dropping to a point where they are repeatedly exploited.
But heck, what do I know? This is nothing but conjecture. :dunno:
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dragonturtle said:
Although I highlighted a purely off-topic portion of your reply, I would like to respond to it by simply saying:
Very good parallel. However... were you aware that out of the 50 states, there aren;t but a handful that .10 as the legal defintion of DUI rather than .08? That seems near enough to an across the board standard to me.
Anyway...
As I mnetioned, no one is calling for reforms or anything of the sort. It's merely conjecture and specualtion based upon the laws of supply and demand. If and when the demand for this sort of thing begans to drop you will eventually see a decrease in the production of such filth.
Now.. to everyone else:
Some of you may think I'm a feminist radical or bitch with the way that I've responded, but all I'm trying to really point out is this:
None of us - the FreeOnes Bulletin Board members - were privy to Lacey Duvalle's thoughts or reasons as to why she elected to perform in this movie. Maybe she had a desire to step out and try something new. Maybe she was paid an exorbitant amount of money to star in the production feature. Maybe she was coerced or somehow forced to appear in it. Maybe it the only way out of the porn industry.
None of us will ever know until the woman herself speaks up and tells her story. I, for one, feel thats he shouldn't have to defend her actions or reasons for anything to anyone.... but that's just my spin. I'm merely pointing out that filth like this - Throat Gaggers 101 and other gonzo-style brutal porn - is geared towards those who enjoy watching feminine degradation, humiliation, and other acts that reduce women in stature. While I enjoy porn of all styles, this is not enjoyable all. It's fit for the sewer.
Knowing that the Mafia used to have a stronghold on the porn industry back in the 70's and 80's, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find that some of these girls are still forced to perform acts like this in order to meet contractual obligations. It also wouldn't surprise me to learn that there is a certain percentage of actresses who enjoy being humiliated and brutalized. After all, if there are men out there who enjoy it; it stands to reason that there are obviously going to be a set amount of porn actresses who enjoy making these kinds of movies.
However, given the particular actress in question - who has never been in a movie such as this or even shown an inclination to be in this part of the industry - it really makes one wonder just what her reasons were for doing it. I tend to lean toward the supposition that she was somehow forced into doing it. How I can't say for certain... I can only speculate.
Whatever the reason, you can't deny the fact that in this particular genre of the porn industry, women are treated in a sub-human, degrading, and humiliating manner. Who really enjoys seeing fake rape, throat gagging to the point of throwing up, being electrocuted, and things of that nature? I'm sorry if I offend anybody, but you're sick as hell. You need serious psychiatric help.
This is not porn. It's abuse. Period. Plain and simple. End of story.
I believe that while there is a segment of society that denounces the rough behavior, there will always be a segment that enjoys it, be it either sex, creed or color. And that segment will always look for material, just like any other fetish in the "adult entertainment" field.
I also feel that boycotting the product only leads to MORE supression which creates even more product. While I may or may not like this behavior, I certianly do NOT want to think for you; if you do NOT like something, you have the right NOT to look at it and I loathe to have you think for Me.
Also, I await all those that boycott give the actresses money NOT to do such scenes. No one has offered to "pay the bills", but rather not have them "work".
If the issue is why Lacey decided to do the scene....then shouldn't we find out why she was fucked on film that way rather than wonder?
And I am confused by the level of respect Lacey seems to deserve....do we respect her more or less for a simple b/g scene w/o gagging? what if she does an anal scene; does that up the respect notch or lower it? If she just uses a dildo on herself in a scene, does the respect factor drop? What about respect for others? where do other actresses line up against the respect graph, especially pertaining what they do on film, or won't do?
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I also feel that boycotting the product only leads to MORE supression which creates even more product. While I may or may not like this behavior, I certianly do NOT want to think for you; if you do NOT like something, you have the right NOT to look at it and I loathe to have you think for Me.
Also, I await all those that boycott give the actresses money NOT to do such scenes. No one has offered to "pay the bills", but rather not have them "work".
If the issue is why Lacey decided to do the scene....then shouldn't we find out why she was fucked on film that way rather than wonder?
And I am confused by the level of respect Lacey seems to deserve....do we respect her more or less for a simple b/g scene w/o gagging? what if she does an anal scene; does that up the respect notch or lower it? If she just uses a dildo on herself in a scene, does the respect factor drop? What about respect for others? where do other actresses line up against the respect graph, especially pertaining what they do on film, or won't do?
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That was a great respond.
I'm not here to argue with anybody, but what I think is this video is a bunch of BS. I havne't seen the video and wonder if she really pukes, but looking at the pictures she doesn't seem to mind it much at all. The write up is just to market this junk. I believe it's real like I believe they really pick up some random woman off the street and a group of guys have sex with her on camera.
I don't like it and I choose not to view it - that's my decision. It's just like turning the TV channel when there's a show, commercial, etc. I don't want to watch - I don't have to see it. It's not for me to say what others can view - I don't watch it myself and I wouldn't want to be with a partner who was into this stuff.
Who am I to say what is too horrible for others? I know plenty of people who think it's totally disgusting to put a man's penis in your mouth. How many of you find that disgusting? I used to until I found the one I was comfortable doing that with. What about oral sex of any type? Oooh people pee out of that thing. Or ass licking? And what about putting a finger in one's butt?You know what comes out of there? Hope I didn't gross anybody out with those descriptions. If I told anybody I knew I liked those things, they'd be disgusted and probably wouldn't want much to do with me - but they don't need to know because I choose to do it in the privacy of my own home.
Sorry, but to each their own. And I am a woman. I understand it's possible for one to be forced to do something they don't want to, but I also know we are a money hungry society willing to do whatever it takes to make the almighty dollar. I also understand it's possible to enjoy doing some of these things when you're comfortable with it.
Anybody ever see Belladonna's primetime TV interview a couple of years ago. The one where she's crying about being taken advantage of in the porn industry and quits. What a sad story it was. I almost felt sorry for her. What's she doing now? I seem to remember coming across a video of her very pregnant and having sex with multiple partners. I have to say I found that much more disgusting than even this garbage mentioned above. I don't see her crying about the porn industry now?
My other concern is that so many think less of Lacey and others for being involved in this type of video whether they did it by choice or by force. Is that right? Lacey may have made a mistake, but to condemn her for life? I remember being in high school and hearing about the girls having sex then and being labeled sluts (whether it was true or not). Guess what 15 years later they're still considered sluts regardless of the truth because of the label they were given back then. For those that could actually be considered sluts by some people's standards, why should they try to do anything else in their life because so many will only recognize them as the slut they were back when. Why must we label people and judge them for what they do? I think ultimately we all just want to be happy whether we show it or not.
I hope for her sake she chose to do this and wasn't forced. If she was forced, she'd sure have some good evidence being that it's on video. Let's wish the best for her and not support this type of work (unless you're into it - to each their own).
I don't like it and I choose not to view it - that's my decision. It's just like turning the TV channel when there's a show, commercial, etc. I don't want to watch - I don't have to see it. It's not for me to say what others can view - I don't watch it myself and I wouldn't want to be with a partner who was into this stuff.
Who am I to say what is too horrible for others? I know plenty of people who think it's totally disgusting to put a man's penis in your mouth. How many of you find that disgusting? I used to until I found the one I was comfortable doing that with. What about oral sex of any type? Oooh people pee out of that thing. Or ass licking? And what about putting a finger in one's butt?You know what comes out of there? Hope I didn't gross anybody out with those descriptions. If I told anybody I knew I liked those things, they'd be disgusted and probably wouldn't want much to do with me - but they don't need to know because I choose to do it in the privacy of my own home.
Sorry, but to each their own. And I am a woman. I understand it's possible for one to be forced to do something they don't want to, but I also know we are a money hungry society willing to do whatever it takes to make the almighty dollar. I also understand it's possible to enjoy doing some of these things when you're comfortable with it.
Anybody ever see Belladonna's primetime TV interview a couple of years ago. The one where she's crying about being taken advantage of in the porn industry and quits. What a sad story it was. I almost felt sorry for her. What's she doing now? I seem to remember coming across a video of her very pregnant and having sex with multiple partners. I have to say I found that much more disgusting than even this garbage mentioned above. I don't see her crying about the porn industry now?
My other concern is that so many think less of Lacey and others for being involved in this type of video whether they did it by choice or by force. Is that right? Lacey may have made a mistake, but to condemn her for life? I remember being in high school and hearing about the girls having sex then and being labeled sluts (whether it was true or not). Guess what 15 years later they're still considered sluts regardless of the truth because of the label they were given back then. For those that could actually be considered sluts by some people's standards, why should they try to do anything else in their life because so many will only recognize them as the slut they were back when. Why must we label people and judge them for what they do? I think ultimately we all just want to be happy whether we show it or not.
I hope for her sake she chose to do this and wasn't forced. If she was forced, she'd sure have some good evidence being that it's on video. Let's wish the best for her and not support this type of work (unless you're into it - to each their own).
Precisely why I'd support any movement to regulate the industry better. I have no idea how it would work, but as long as there is demand and no standard, women will be exploited.
I mentioned this earlier... once a woman gets into hardcore, it is almost impossible to get out. I didn't see the interview, but I don't doubt she was truly upset about her predicament. But what happened to her after she quit? My guess is she had no skills and couldn't hold down a decent job. What do you write on your resume when you're a pornstar? She probably tried to get into mainstream modeling or acting and was dismissed for her history of adult films. Eventually her savings run dry and she's forced back to porn. All speculation, of course, but no more speculative than believing she lied in the interview and wanted to get back into porn.
I can't speak for the others, but I certainly don't condemn her for it for the same reasons I wouldn't condemn Belladonna for getting back into porn. It's certainly not an industry of all glitz and glamour.
I'm glad to see some intelligent posts on this forum, btw.
I would like to think that most pornstars not only agree to what they do, but they also enjoy the job. I am not as naive to believe that most of them just do it for the sex and the money has nothing to do with it. As long as they know what they are getting themselves into before hand, I don't mind what they do. At least I don't mind as long as it isn't dangerous to them. At first would I want to condemn somebody for doing the sort of stuff she did. Maybe I would, but I also know I have did a lot of jobs that I didn't like. Nothing like she did mind you, but still jobs that run me raged and ended up making my body hurt day after day. You know what though? At the beginning of the day I still got up, dragged my ass out of bed, and when to work just like I did every other day. The bills were not going to pay themselves. So I might be a little bit of a hypocrite if I condemned her. This is just a lesson to porn stars. Save the money your making while you can. Your looks won’t last forever. You don't want to put yourself into a situation where you are going to be desperate. Enjoy what is good about it while you can, and when the good times are all over go on to do other things. Yes, living life like everybody else might suck. It beats the alternative of gagging on somebody else’s cock until you puke. You would just be like everybody else in the world, except that you had a few years were you were lucky enough to be blessed with a body to make you more money than them for a while. Remember plan ahead.
I'm sure I'm going to open myself to all kinds of criticism, but I've got some thoughts that I want to share. And if you want to debate or challange my ideas...fine... My fear is that in many cases, when a opinion is disagreed with, people tend to attack the person rather than the idea that they are putting forth.
Does anyone really believe that these women don't have a clue what they are in store for when they go to work for a specific director or producer or production company? If a woman chooses to make a movie with Max Hardcore, don't you think she has SOME idea what type of movie she's going to be making? If a woman makes a video for the 'Gag school' website...shouldn't she have some clue what the movie is going to be like?
I don't think people accept jobs in a vacuum. You don't just show up for work. You don't just walk off the street and say 'I'm here for a job...to make a movie...etc.' There is a process of interviewing and selection. The hiring party describes and explains the job, and the person looking to be hired asks questions about the type of work. And BOTH parties have the right and the opportunity to make a decision if this is a place they want/choose to work.
Any of these women can go to the internet and check out any of these production companies prior works. Based on those findings, they can probably make some assumptions about the type of video they are being recruited to make. AND...at that point...they have to opportunity to say yes or no. Beyond that, anyone has the power and choice to walk away from a job if it doesn't meet our expectations or needs.
The orignal question was 'Has lacey gone crazy?'. The honest truth is, before this thread...I had never even heard of her. So I can't say one way or another because I have no knowledge of her previous work to compare this to. Due to most the comments though...it does seem that this scene was out of character for her. But, as she is someone who has been in and around the business, I have a pretty good idea that she had knowledge of the producers/directors of this particular scene. So...the idea that she was completely blindsided is a little hard to take.
Now, I'm pretty sure that someone will make some comment like 'So if a woman doesn't know what she's getting into that makes it ok?' NO! But that does go to my point of the ability to walk away at any point. I would also assume that these woman have contracts/waivers that they sign...which again SHOULD give them some type of clue to the nature of the film they are shooting.
Anyway...back to the original question. Was she crazy for doing this? Who knows? But this whole thread has seemed to taken off on some other tangent about how she was 'a victim' and the whole nature of this type of porn. I for one don't think she was a victim...and HOPE that I'm right in that thought. As I said before, I don't really think someone of her status and familiarity with the business could be put in that postion unknowingly.
So...with some reluctance...I'm now pushing the 'Submit Reply' button. I hope I don't end up being sorry that I did...
Does anyone really believe that these women don't have a clue what they are in store for when they go to work for a specific director or producer or production company? If a woman chooses to make a movie with Max Hardcore, don't you think she has SOME idea what type of movie she's going to be making? If a woman makes a video for the 'Gag school' website...shouldn't she have some clue what the movie is going to be like?
I don't think people accept jobs in a vacuum. You don't just show up for work. You don't just walk off the street and say 'I'm here for a job...to make a movie...etc.' There is a process of interviewing and selection. The hiring party describes and explains the job, and the person looking to be hired asks questions about the type of work. And BOTH parties have the right and the opportunity to make a decision if this is a place they want/choose to work.
Any of these women can go to the internet and check out any of these production companies prior works. Based on those findings, they can probably make some assumptions about the type of video they are being recruited to make. AND...at that point...they have to opportunity to say yes or no. Beyond that, anyone has the power and choice to walk away from a job if it doesn't meet our expectations or needs.
The orignal question was 'Has lacey gone crazy?'. The honest truth is, before this thread...I had never even heard of her. So I can't say one way or another because I have no knowledge of her previous work to compare this to. Due to most the comments though...it does seem that this scene was out of character for her. But, as she is someone who has been in and around the business, I have a pretty good idea that she had knowledge of the producers/directors of this particular scene. So...the idea that she was completely blindsided is a little hard to take.
Now, I'm pretty sure that someone will make some comment like 'So if a woman doesn't know what she's getting into that makes it ok?' NO! But that does go to my point of the ability to walk away at any point. I would also assume that these woman have contracts/waivers that they sign...which again SHOULD give them some type of clue to the nature of the film they are shooting.
Anyway...back to the original question. Was she crazy for doing this? Who knows? But this whole thread has seemed to taken off on some other tangent about how she was 'a victim' and the whole nature of this type of porn. I for one don't think she was a victim...and HOPE that I'm right in that thought. As I said before, I don't really think someone of her status and familiarity with the business could be put in that postion unknowingly.
So...with some reluctance...I'm now pushing the 'Submit Reply' button. I hope I don't end up being sorry that I did...
Yes, I'll admit these women have access to information about the nature of the act they are going to perform. Most of them anyway. But I'm sure some don't. Why do you think has there been a flood of Eastern European models in the porn scene in recent years? Why are there so many porn sites, movies and so on featuring South American girls? Because porn producers, both the good and the bad are looking for so called "fresh new talent" all the time. And isn't it easier approaching a girl from say the Ukraine asking her if she was willing to do a low budget porn movie instead of talking up a college educated girl from Seattle?
I remember reading a review of a hardcore movie Dorothy Black made when she first came onto the scene. In the scene she starred in she was supposed to get fucked by two guys, one of them a guy with a huge cock (I don't remember the name, it might have been Lexington Steele, but I'm not sure). The reviewer describes how the big cock guy is about to fuck her in the ass but she "can't take his big piece". Now, I haven't seen that movie and I'm not saying these guys actually must be counted among the bad guys, but the scene described allows for some conclusions IMO:
There are girls from poor countries who are willing to do porn for a few hundred bucks. In some countries $300 still are the equivalent of a worker's montly pay check. They may sign a contract but due to the language barrier they in all likelihood don't really know what it's going to be like. And I sincerely doubt all producers indeed take the time to explain in full detail what the shoot's going to be like.
Dorothy Black was rather lucky if it was indeed Lexington in that scene I read about. She could have met some sleazy bastard who'd proceed to "fish hook" her, gag her and fuck her up the ass no matter if she "could take it" or not. You may deny things like these happen when porn producers enter South American or Eastern European countries but I will stand firm in my opinion they do happen. Just one more thing on this: Most prostitutes in Western European countries are from Eastern Europe.
Again, I'll refer to Superfly2's excellent post about the "foot in the door" strategy. Even if, and I doubt that, the woman knows every detail of a shoot she's about to do, there might still arise the situation where a little more is done. And a little more after that. They're not going to ask her "Look, you're sucking my dick right now. Would it be ok if I thrust it in a little deeper?" They'll just do it and the girl isn't going to say something. That's another way of forcing her to do things she doesn't want to do.
I agree to a certain degree as far as Lacey is concerned. I didn't know her either before I first heard about the scene in question a while ago, but I'm ready to admit she must have had at least an idea of what it was going to be like. But that's not my point and if I understood the posts correctly, it just served as an example for a number of other contributors to this thread in that it shows a tendency to more and more aggressive and degrading behavior towards women in porn. It just gets harder and harder all the time, all the way to sometimes downright violent.
50, 60 years ago the picture of a nude woman could create a scandal for both the women and the guy in whose possession the picture was found. That's what porn was back then. If you felt the need to get some sexual stimulation you'd look at pictures of naked women. Just look through this board right now. In every thread about a centerfold you'll find at least five members complaining she doesn't do hardcore and if she does hardcore, there are five guys complaining she doesn't do anal and so on. With the incredible amount of freely accessible porn nowadays something new is required all the time to attract customers. All alleys are explored because of that and producers will continue to thread new paths as long as it's allowed.
So no, Lacey wasn't crazy. She was just adjusting to the needs of the market. And that actually is way worse in my eyes.
What about oral sex of any type? Oooh people pee out of that thing. Or ass licking? And what about putting a finger in one's butt?You know what comes out of there? Hope I didn't gross anybody out with those descriptions. If I told anybody I knew I liked those things, they'd be disgusted and probably wouldn't want much to do with me -
If you told me you DIDN'T like those things, I'd be disgusted and wouldn't want anything to do with you. :thumbsup:
If you told me you DIDN'T like those things, I'd be disgusted and wouldn't want anything to do with you. :thumbsup:
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Ho-Hum.....it's diarrhoea. If you're going to be abusive at least get the grammar right. And as for your love of violent porn.......
Violent internet porn may be banned
30/8/2005 11:48:57 AM ( Source: Reuters)
LONDON (Reuters) - Viewing violent pornographic images on the internet could become illegal under proposals issued by the government on Tuesday.
"We are talking about material of the most serious and extreme kind: serious sexual violence, bestiality, necrophilia," said junior Home Office minister Paul Goggins.
"These are extreme images, they have no place in a decent society and we believe it's the responsibility of government to make sure the possession of this material is made illegal," he told BBC radio.
Full story here: http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.as...n.co.uk/mediaexportlive&ks=0&mc=5&ml=ma&lc=en
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This is the first time I'll post something like this and I will accept the ban if this is what I'll get:
Shut up and get lost, you sick racist asshole.
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