Guns Guns Guns !!!

[Facial_King]

yeah but if and when the shit hits the fan you may be knocking on his door..........or you can just call 911.

It depends on what you mean by the shit hitting the fan. If by that you mean a despotic government out to have absolute, totalitarian control over its citizens, then I sort of doubt that you with your little personal arsenal (which the ATF, FBI, and NSA - for starters - probably already know about) will last very long. As a matter of fact, if that's the shit you're talking about, if and when that happens I won't be knocking on your door, I'll be putting some serious distance between myself and your door, because in all likelihood it will be blown to splinters in short order (by you, the govt. force attacking you, or both).

That sort of saying is the type of thing jealous people say when somebody has something bigger or more expensive then them. Just like when somebody drives down the street in an expensive car. Most of the people that say that secretly want it also.

Not necessarily. If it's a Hummer, then I'm not interested in the least, for example. I've also found recently that I don't feel jealous when I see someone in an exotic car. Sure, it's pretty, and in some ideal situation (which is getting increasingly hard to come by) it could be very fun to drive, but it's also priced far higher than it's actually WORTH, and these days, owning a car that's so ridiculously consumptive of fuel, oil, and rubber, well, that's just irresponsible. And irresponsibility is a trademark of juveniles, not something to be admired in adults.

The standard "exotics" (BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Infiniti, and the non-sports Jags, etc.) also don't seem very exotic anymore. Every city is filled with hundreds or thousands of them in their bland colors. Boring. I don't feel the slightest hint of jealousy. I'm happy and comfy in my old Honda, getting 47 mpg.

As for very cool exotics, I'm more than happy to see a classic Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini or Maserati at a museum or even a good online pic, and drive them in a video game simulation. Better than driving like a dickhead on the road (like too many of their owners do) and killing myself or someone else in the process.

And guns are for Miami Vice....

 

[LBP 76]

For the record, I love guns and other weapons. I have used many and have substantial written material on both. But I think they are not good for citizen's to possess; 2'nd Amendment or not.

 

[Will E Worm]

For the record, I love guns and other weapons. I have used many and have substantial written material on both. But I think they are not good for citizen's to possess; 2'nd Amendment or not.

Now you say you love guns? Make up your mind.

The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they included the Second Amendment.
Also, they told us we have the right to take out any government that becomes despotic. Without weapons how are we going to do that? Sticks and rocks?

American citizens have the right to own weapons and that will not change without a long bloody war.
Anyone that is against Americans owning weapons isn't an American, they are traitors.

Since Obama has been elected, gun sales have skyrocketed. I wonder why?
I believe I know why.

 

[LBP 76]

Now you say you love guns? Make up your mind.

I never said I didn't.

Why don't you actually read my posts before you judge them?

Anyone that is against Americans owning weapons isn't an American, they are traitors.

Okay...

 

[marquis2]

Now you say you love guns? Make up your mind.

The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they included the Second Amendment.
Also, they told us we have the right to take out any government that becomes despotic. Without weapons how are we going to do that? Sticks and rocks?

American citizens have the right to own weapons and that will not change without a long bloody war.
Anyone that is against Americans owning weapons isn't an American, they are traitors.

Since Obama has been elected, gun sales have skyrocketed. I wonder why?
I believe I know why.

You all seem to misunderstand the 2nd Amendment.
In the 1790s the right to own weapons already existed , it wasn't an issue and wouldn't have even been thought about much.You don't amend something by not changing it!This was also true back in Britain where there was no gun control until after WW1.So the Amendment wasn't about OWNING guns it was about bearing them and in particular setting up militia. Governments on the whole don't like the idea of armed groups,they prefer to have their own ie the army.But the US had no army and relied on ordinary citizens.
Also all militia were placed under the President's command.This doesn't support the idea that the militia was to guard against despotic government.

 

[AFA]

Then yOur passion of firearms is an invention of far right political ideologues on Both the street As well as in upper levels of governMents.

There is A subliminal message in this text. Crypted. Its a left wing conspiracy!

Why would you ever Think that. It's the Furthest thIng from what Some THink About iT.

 

[Dawn]

Anyone that is against Americans owning weapons isn't an American, they are traitors.

Really?

 

[Facetious]

It's been my experience that most guys with arsenals are just looking for trouble. And they often involve a lot of innocent people when they find it.

Oh, really ? May I ask what kind of experience you have ? This must be an impressive resume ! Truth is, neither you or I know "most guys with arsenals". Oh sure, a guy is going to purchase firearms over an extended number of years in his life only to, one day, go outside and "look for trouble" uhhh . . yeah . .
In fact, quite the opposite is true.

Sorry, it doesn't make sense and I've never heard of such an individual. This is exactly what I was referring to, statements such as this cannot go unchallenged. We can have our difference of opinion, but why come over to a thread, apparently, in direct opposition to your beliefs, only to torment the ambiance, offering little more than innuendo.
Also - Why did you call this guy's collection an "arsenal" ? Why not call it a "collection of firearms" ? :dunno: Answer It could only be an "arsenal". No sane person would actually "collect firearms" and not want to hurt people. It was all for effect, wasn't it ?

I'm not angry here, I'm just tired of hearing the same, repetitious and pejorative remarks, over and over. People disagree with one another, bfd !

As for friends, I'm good in that dept. (in the reality world)
And no, I haven't developed my "friends" page, here, or on any online format.
Whatever else you mentioned . . I forgot the particulars, although I do recall that it was a bit on the personal level and wasn't equitable for thoughtful discussion.

 

[Facetious]

Do yourself a favor, look into Millett brand optics. I swear, they have to be the best kept secret in rifle scopes. But don't just look on line, go to a shop and check it out in person...trust me, it'll be worth your time.

Roger, revid, do you know what the origin of the glass is for these scopes ?
Is it Japan ? I think that I'll hop on over to SWFA.Com or Milletts site to eyeball the products & Thx ! :thumbsup:

Dying to see the reaction to this with all of these ultra sensitive types jumping to unimaginable conclusions:

What were you about to say about the Japanese . . .
:hammer:

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Roger, revid, do you know what the origin of the glass is for these scopes ?
Is it Japan ? I think that I'll hop on over to SWFA.Com or Milletts site to eyeball the products & Thx ! :thumbsup:

Dying to see the reaction to this with all of these ultra sensitive types jumping to unimaginable conclusions:

What were you about to say about the Japanese . . .
:hammer:

Millett was just sold to a major competitor, I believe Buris bought them. They've been around for years, and to be honest, I don't really know where the origin of the glass comes from, but I know the $450.00 I spent, on the equivelant of a Trijicon Accutech, saved me about $450.00! Look online, and check there dealer list, go see one before they sell them all out. What a great bang for your buck, in my opinion.

For the record, I grew up in a very female oriented house, and the only male loved baseball, not guns, in fact none of the people in my house liked guns, but at least they had a respect for the right to own one. I suppose they would be a little wigged out if they knew what I have spent over the years, but they wigged out when I bought a Harley too, so whatta ya gonna do?

 

[Will E Worm]

This doesn't support the idea that the militia was to guard against despotic government.

You don't get it.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

We have the rights that can't be taken away and if the government becomes
destructive to those rights, we have the right to alter or abolish that government.
Even if that means a war. Which will happen if they don't watch themselves.

Really?

Yes, really.

 

[Dawn]

Yes, really.

Ok.

Your thinking is a bit radical. I mean, owning firearms is written on the Constitution and its a right.

But nobody can question that if he is an american?

There is some people who think it was a necessity when the constitution was written but becomes obsolete nowadays. I mean, you can own a car and its not a constitutional right - you dont need it written in the constitution.

Even in coutries where there is insane controlling laws about firearms, where it's not a right to possess firearms, it's fairly easy to acquire legally firearms.

I really don't understand the US mentality about firearms i think. :dunno:

 

[Will E Worm]

Ok.

Your thinking is a bit radical. I mean, owning firearms is written on the Constitution and its a right.

But nobody can question that if he is an american?

If it's in the Constitution and someone is against that, then they are traitors.

What's next, someone can sell classified information to a foreign country and not be a traitor? If someone doesn't like what our laws are, they can always move to another country. Because we are keeping these law. One way or another.

 

[Dawn]

If it's in the Constitution and someone is against that, then they are traitors.

I dont understand your radicalism.

There have been amendments to the constitution since the Fathers, right? That means people over time have questionned and enhanced the constitution for america greatest benefits no?

I'm not saying the constitution should be amended regarding firearms: i'm saying that a constitution is there to serve the country, not the country to serve the constitution.

What's next, someone can sell classified information to a foreign country and not be a traitor?

You see no difference between selling classified information to a foreign country and a citizen questionning the constitution? If you are serious, i definatly dont understand.

 

[Will E Worm]

There have been amendments to the constitution since the Fathers, right? That means people over time have questionned and enhanced the constitution for america greatest benefits no?

Some might think for the betterment of us all.

I'm not saying the constitution should be amended regarding firearms: i'm saying that a constitution is there to serve the country, not the country to serve the constitution.

If they continue to amend the Constitution, we will not like the out come.

It is the Supreme law of America. It's been amended enough.
People can either accept the laws as they are or leave.

I don't want America to be like California. They like Socialism too much.

People in New York and California forget there is an entire country between them.
Those two cities think much too highly of themselves.

 

[Dawn]

I hope you know im trying to understand and not attacking you, WIll E Worm.

And i understand a little more now.

It's not always obvious for non-american to understand americans for such things.

 

[Will E Worm]

I hope you know im trying to understand and not attacking you, WIll E Worm.

And i understand a little more now.

I understand, it's just a discussion.

But, I like the laws the way they are, a lot of people do.

There's only a few I'd like to change.

One being, the statute of limitations on rape.
There's no statue of limitations on any other crime.
There shouldn't be any on rape either.

 

[Facial_King]

For the record, I love guns and other weapons. I have used many and have substantial written material on both. But I think they are not good for citizen's to possess; 2'nd Amendment or not.

Now that's a refreshingly honest viewpoint!

:hatsoff::glugglug::thumbsup:

 

[D-rock]

But I think they are not good for citizen's to possess; 2'nd Amendment or not.

Citizens not possessing arms would someday be much MUCH worse than any harm that might come from them having them. They’re the only things that will someday be between free people and tyranny. Unless somebody has blind unquestioning trust in not only their government, but in the goodwill of all their fellow humans as well I don't see how they think it could come out well in the long term. I trust neither to have mine or humanities best interest at heart. Unfortunately sometimes things have to come down to violence no matter how much people don‘t want to use it. At least if people are armed they still have that option, even it it’s to force them to kill you so you don’t die as a slave. Just like all our other freedoms can hurt us like the freedom of speach, or religion, so can people having arms, but that's also part of the reason freedom isn't free.

 

[Member2019]

If it's in the Constitution and someone is against that, then they are traitors.
What's next, someone can sell classified information to a foreign country and not be a traitor? If someone doesn't like what our laws are, they can always move to another country. Because we are keeping these law. One way or another.

As long as a supermajority of the people do not disagree, the Constitution is our highest law in the US.
If a supermajority of the people do disagree, then they can repeal it.

I have never, ever owned, used or otherwise "embraced" a firearm.
I have never, ever drank or done drugs or countless other things.
But I see a far bigger need for legal gun ownership than legal, non-medicinal, use of drugs.

People are going to be irresponsible, so might as well let the legitimate owners and user have access to something that actually provides personal defense when others are not responsible.
You cannot remotely expect law enforcement to do such, unless you honestly believe in a police state.
Truth.

I'm a Libertarian-Capitalists, and I do not believe in the right of government to take away the rights of others.
Even for those things I absolutely seen no need for -- including the mass irresponsibility of alcohol consumption.
So, so many people die from countless irresponsibility of alcohol consumption -- be it driving or possessing a firearm.