http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/12343892/can_dr_evil_save_the_world
Very interesting article I read in Rolling Stone...
Thoughts? :glugglug:
Very interesting article I read in Rolling Stone...
Thoughts? :glugglug:
Global Warming...
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Iamforever
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so true. the ozone layer cant replenish. can it? :dunno:
squallumz
knows petras secret: she farted.
im sure theres a way. i head a couple of chemeistry majors talking about how o3 (ozone) can be created but it cannot be placed up there. not to meantion ozone is extremly poisonous (ironically) but i dont really believe in complete impossibility. however, there are major things we can do to help.
replace oil for one thing. stop cutting down the fucking trees is another. replanting is a good idea but no one thinks beyond their lifetime and figures it takes too long. the goverment needs to step the fuck up and do something.
They have already found evidence that the ozone layer is starting to repair itself. I think it was estimated that it would take at least 50 years at this rate to repair the "hole" that forms over Antarctica every year. Of course the hole in the ozone layer and global warming are different things. It looks like we are screwed as far as global warming goes. Nobody is serious about stopping it. Even if they did get serious unless we could find away of not only stopping greenhouse gas emissions but also of taking them out of the environment it would continue to get worse for decades to come, and that is if we stopped putting out greenhouse gasses TODAY. I guess this is just a symptom of human greed, and the fact people never want to act until it is almost too late, and the fact nobody wants to sacrifice if they are the ones that have to do something. We can only pray that it isn't going to be as bad as some people think it will be or by that time we will have figured out some new technology that will have eased the problems by then because I don't think the people that lead this world will do anything until it is too late this time.
Iamforever
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yeah, the ozone layer and global warming are two different things. but, they are connected.
Iamforever
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nice editing.^^^^ please delete my post.
IMO governments and/or businesses will only do something about it once or if it ever becomes profitable.
It's fucking sad the way things are run.
It's fucking sad the way things are run.
The problem in the US ...
Everyone is talking about "cleaner cars" but they don't understand the first thing how to do it. To support even local home hydrogen generation, we have to boost our power grid at least 3x. People don't realize that, go out and ignorantly boycott power plants and other generation houses -- not realizing they are 1,000x cleaner than their own automobile for work produced.
They also boycott fission power plants and wind power -- two of the most efficient and clean power sources on the planet. They believe solar is the answer because they aren't EEs and don't know the first thing about how extremely low the yield is per investment (we're talking 2 orders of magnitude), and that's not going to change unless Einstein was wrong.
But on the amount of output of our cars -- yes, it's 98% of the US' problem.
The US power and manufacturing infrastructure is very clean. The problem is cars and lack of mass transit.
Everyone is talking about "cleaner cars" but they don't understand the first thing how to do it. To support even local home hydrogen generation, we have to boost our power grid at least 3x. People don't realize that, go out and ignorantly boycott power plants and other generation houses -- not realizing they are 1,000x cleaner than their own automobile for work produced.
They also boycott fission power plants and wind power -- two of the most efficient and clean power sources on the planet. They believe solar is the answer because they aren't EEs and don't know the first thing about how extremely low the yield is per investment (we're talking 2 orders of magnitude), and that's not going to change unless Einstein was wrong.
Now that's not a problem in the US. But yes, in Brazil and other countries, it's out-of-control.
Huh? You should read up on what replanting does and how much it does replenish!
On trees, there's nothing to be done here in the US. And we can't force other nations to conform.
But on the amount of output of our cars -- yes, it's 98% of the US' problem.
squallumz
knows petras secret: she farted.
all the wood the us uses, it doesnt come from the wood fairy i assure you. when the pickings got low, they started looking at our neighbors down south. the ones with the huge forest. the us is very much so contributing in the destruction of the rain forests. trees devour co2 (greenhouse gas) and let out o2 (breathable oxygen)
we all know its cars that are the biggest contributers. at my house, we help as much as we can. wind-powered electricity, fuel efficient hybrid vehicle. walking from store to store. we can point our fingers at south america but their construction ratio is not nearly as big as ours. america is buying it from them. cheap and plentiful. if the rainforest was as big as it was, there would be quite a differnce in the amount of co2 in the air.
of course when our government is in kahoots with the oil industry, they arent exactly willing to jump on the issue and research or just press for better fuel alternatives. since we already have a few better choices, hydrogen, corn, etc, its not that we dont have the alternates waiting for their turn, its a matter of a program being started for change.
we all know its cars that are the biggest contributers. at my house, we help as much as we can. wind-powered electricity, fuel efficient hybrid vehicle. walking from store to store. we can point our fingers at south america but their construction ratio is not nearly as big as ours. america is buying it from them. cheap and plentiful. if the rainforest was as big as it was, there would be quite a differnce in the amount of co2 in the air.
of course when our government is in kahoots with the oil industry, they arent exactly willing to jump on the issue and research or just press for better fuel alternatives. since we already have a few better choices, hydrogen, corn, etc, its not that we dont have the alternates waiting for their turn, its a matter of a program being started for change.
I live in Scotland, so i'd welcome a bit of warming around here.
squallumz
knows petras secret: she farted.
warming, yes? complete flooding due to icecap melting? i dont think youre up for that.
Re: The problem in the US ...
Of all carbon dioxide(CO2) emissions in the world,USA alone is emitting 36%.
That`s 4% of the worlds population responsible for 36% of CO2 emissions of the world.Now tell me you can`t do anything about it and it`s our -the rest of the world- job to fix things
Until last autumn and what happened in New Orleans,your president and government wasn`t being very active in this matter(can you say this any more politely... ).The regular answer to the rest of the world,when trying to get you along with us to do something about it(like Kyoto Protocol) was "It does not serve the interests of United States".You know,it started to get on our nerves a bit,as basically what you(your government) were saying was that you were on your way to hell in first class,and we can either join you or just watch as you drag us down with you.
At least thats what it sounded like in our ears anyway.
Fortunattely during the last year even Americans have finally started to wake up to reality.Destroying this planet does not serve the interests of United States either in the long run.No matter how much profit you would make in the process.
I`m not saying that we are clean either or that there isn`t a lot more we could and should do too.But don`t say it`s our fault and that we are the ones not doing anything about it.
China is not paying any attention to anything,but that`s not the whole world outside of USA.
And about cars...
The problem certainly is not the cars alone.All forms of transportation(cars,airplanes,trucks,trains,ships etc.)produce 27% of CO2 emissions in the USA.California is a different case,as 57% of CO2 emissions in California is produced by traffic(again,all forms of transportation).
In European Union that figure is 25%.
But yes,the first step you could do is stop buying those damn SUVs.Is there anything more stupid than a huge 4x4 dinosaur used only as a grosery getter?
99% of the people who buy them will never drive off the pavement -which is fortunate as that oversized lard ass with those step boards would be useless there anyway.
Of all carbon dioxide(CO2) emissions in the world,USA alone is emitting 36%.
That`s 4% of the worlds population responsible for 36% of CO2 emissions of the world.Now tell me you can`t do anything about it and it`s our -the rest of the world- job to fix things
Until last autumn and what happened in New Orleans,your president and government wasn`t being very active in this matter(can you say this any more politely...
).The regular answer to the rest of the world,when trying to get you along with us to do something about it(like Kyoto Protocol) was "It does not serve the interests of United States".You know,it started to get on our nerves a bit,as basically what you(your government) were saying was that you were on your way to hell in first class,and we can either join you or just watch as you drag us down with you.At least thats what it sounded like in our ears anyway.
Fortunattely during the last year even Americans have finally started to wake up to reality.Destroying this planet does not serve the interests of United States either in the long run.No matter how much profit you would make in the process.
I`m not saying that we are clean either or that there isn`t a lot more we could and should do too.But don`t say it`s our fault and that we are the ones not doing anything about it.
China is not paying any attention to anything,but that`s not the whole world outside of USA.
And about cars...
The problem certainly is not the cars alone.All forms of transportation(cars,airplanes,trucks,trains,ships etc.)produce 27% of CO2 emissions in the USA.California is a different case,as 57% of CO2 emissions in California is produced by traffic(again,all forms of transportation).
In European Union that figure is 25%.
But yes,the first step you could do is stop buying those damn SUVs.Is there anything more stupid than a huge 4x4 dinosaur used only as a grosery getter?
99% of the people who buy them will never drive off the pavement -which is fortunate as that oversized lard ass with those step boards would be useless there anyway.
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