Global Warming...

Something needs to be done about it now. The whole world is being severely affected, polar bears are drowning, summers are getting hotter, the seas are about to rise.
They said the EXACT same things regarding global cooling 30 years ago! Crop and food shortages and all other kinds of mayhem!

Why should I believe them now when they are talking about the same "impact" only in the warmer direction? Especially since there is evidence to support the fact that data collection standards have been less than acceptable? Put simply: There is no linear relationship between atmospheric carbon dioxide change and global mean temperature or global mean temperature trend -- global mean temperature has both risen and fallen during the period atmospheric carbon dioxide has been rising.

You tell me, Roughneck, other sceptics. Talk of ancient volcanoes might make us think this is all normal. It's not
Ancient volcanoes? Krakatoa isn't extinct! By the timeline "scale" we are discussing here, 120 odd years is peanuts!

Besides, the reason I pointed out about Krakatoa was to illustrate the point that: despite a MASSIVE, CLIMATE CHANGING EVENT LIKE A HUGE VOLCANO SPEWING MILLIONS OF TONS OF "GREENHOUSE GASES" and other debris it didn't affect earth climate by MUCH. AS SUCH, WHY IS IT ENTIERLY OUT OF THE REALM OF PROBABILITY THAT MAN-MADE ACTIONS DON'T HAVE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT ON CLIMATE AS WE THINK?

cheers,

PS: You talk shit about "Time" and yet use Yahoo! as a source?!
 
They said the EXACT same things regarding global cooling 30 years ago! Crop and food shortages and all other kinds of mayhem!

Why should I believe them now when they are talking about the same "impact" only in the warmer direction?

Our understanding of the climate is better with better climate models and better supercomputers understanding those changes. No model is without fault because the variables are so many as to make it impossible to keep track of them all, and human understanding is never all encompassing, but there is a reason the vast majority of climatologist think global warming is real, is man made, is caused by greenhouse gasses, and at best will be extremely bad for the world even if they don't think it will be life altering. When the vast majority of scientists believe something it is usually because the evidence supports it through study and observation using the Scientific Method. Does that mean every single question about it is answered, no. But just like every aspect of the Big Bang theory is not understood doesn't mean that most scientist don't believe in it because the vast majority of evidence and experiments supports that model of reality. That is a major difference in scientist in this are than in Galileo’s era. He had the vast amount of observable evidence and Scientific Method on his side and the others were the ones that ignored it.

There is vast amounts of observable changes that can be readily seen that weren't there in the past, from huge ice chunks breaking off of Antarctica to the glaciers of Greenland melting, rising worldwide temperatures, increasing and more powerful storms, changes in rainfall, the north pole loosing the amount of ice that covers it, changes in animal migrations, and plants starting to bloom and develop weeks before they have decades in the past and other things.

The changes are not only increasing they are acceleration. In the past it was insignificant and slow enough that it wasn't readily observable, and there were a lot less people focusing on it. It is becoming a lot more obvious. The climate change will be off the charts for any time people have recorded history or any evidence has found in anything resembling recent history on a geological scale. This isn’t' something that is shown to be within standard deviations the last couple of millennia or even a lot further back. It's happening so quickly that it's starting to resemble an unusual planetary event unlike the natural progression the Earth has gone through in the past.

The changes are happening so fast on a geological scale that it's hard to reconcile it as coincidence that it's happening at the same exact time we are pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Volcanoes have been erupting for a long time. Krakatoa is thought to erupt at periodic intervals and have absolutely massive eruptions when it does it because of how it's formed and the way the Earth's plates and magma pockets sit underneath it, yet the world has not experienced any change like this in the recent geological record. This isn’t to mention that it happened long enough ago that most greenhouse gases would have been absorbed back or at least it effects leveled off by now.

Before there were less greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere and more pollution in the form of other particles that causes "global dimming" because it reflects the suns light back into space. That reduced the effects of global warming in the past. Now it has gotten to the point where it can't hold it back anymore, and we have reduced pollution but not have reduced greenhouse gasses to the same extent which means global warming is getting worse because of that and was almost always probably worse than we even thought in the past.
 

Jagger69

Three lullabies in an ancient tongue
so true. the ozone layer cant replenish. can it? :dunno:


Actually, the ozone layer can repair itself....as long as ozone production in the troposphere (around 100,000 feet) outpaces ozone destruction. Ozone is produced at that altitude through exposure of oxygen atoms (yes, believe it or not, there are low levels of oxygen present at that altitude) to high levels of ultraviolet radiation from the sun. This layer of ozone then protects humans and other life forms from this carcinogenic ultraviolet radiation that threatens to turn us all into lizard people if the situation isn't reversed. So, there is hope after all.

:o
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16397282/

"Polar bears are in jeopardy and need stronger government protection because of melting Arctic sea ice related to global warming, the Bush administration said Wednesday."
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
I LOVE the history channel!!! Just watched a show called "Last Days on Earth" Counted down the top 10 threats to human life on this planet! Extremely fascinating show! Talked about all these different ways that life as we know it could either end completly, i.e. we become extinct or best case scenario there arent many survivors and the world as we know it would be drastically different. Well guess what the #1 threat was? Global Warming!!!

It's so bad now to the point the experts aren't even calling it global warming anymore. Now it's called Climate change! All the top scientific experts agree that we are witnessing the beginning of a catastrophic climate change!

If the Greenland ice cap melts that would cause a rise in sea levels of 20 ft:eek: Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize thats not good! The polar ice caps contain 600 quadrillion gallons of water each! Which is equal to another 20 ft of sea level rise EACH!!! Global warming is no fuckin joke, it's real and it's happening this very second and continually getting worse!

We are our own worst enemy when it comes to destroying our very existence! The climate naturally changes over the course of time, with warming and cooling periods. The trend is each time CO2 levels rose so did the global tempurature. Humans are pumping 70 million tons of the stuff into the atmosphere EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!

If humans don't change the rate at which we pollute the atmosphere, the world will be dramatically different in the next 50 years!
 
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