France's burqa ban: women are 'effectively under house arrest'

[Bloodshot Scott]

Gonna go against the grain here, which is surprising to me in this overly liberal forum, but I think France is total shit for implementing this law...simply put, a government has decreed what people can and cannot wear.

When did that become OK?

This law stems from fear, and nothing else. Fear of Islam, fear of Muslims, fear of terrorists. And what some of you who have posted in this thread have missed, obviously from NOT reading the whole article, some people aren't forced to wear them...they choose to do so. They believe in their faith, and are being denied what is to them an integral part of that faith, because of fear.

Way to take a step backwards, France, way to go.

My friend wanted to wear a mask walking around at night in my city. Police stopped him and searched him. Was that unreasonable as well?

Should these women be able to wear their burqas when they take their drivers license photo as well, or is that their right?

This sort of madness doesn't fly in the modern world.

 

[CunningStunts]

Gonna go against the grain here, which is surprising to me in this overly liberal forum, but I think France is total shit for implementing this law...simply put, a government has decreed what people can and cannot wear.

When did that become OK?

This law stems from fear, and nothing else. Fear of Islam, fear of Muslims, fear of terrorists. And what some of you who have posted in this thread have missed, obviously from NOT reading the whole article, some people aren't forced to wear them...they choose to do so. They believe in their faith, and are being denied what is to them an integral part of that faith, because of fear.

Way to take a step backwards, France, way to go.

In theory I sympathize with this argument but in practice, any "religion" that mandates a woman should cover her head and face goes against everything that the West is supposed to stand for... plus, I don't know about you but I don't want ANYONE in this day and age covering their faces in public... freaks me the fuck out to be honest!

The question is really this: Can an open, tolerant society tolerate an intolerant system of beliefs?

 

[Mayhem]

Two relevant but lame examples I want to give:

1. Check out the Saudi Arabia episode of "No Reservations". The lady that made the show happen didn't have anything bad to say about the strictures of her culture. And if she was in fear of "speaking out", she wouldn't have been on the show in the first place.

2. Years ago there was that iconic photo of the Afgan girl on the cover of "National Geographic Magazine". Years later, they tracked her down and interviewed her. She was a devout muslim that was happy to go along with everything her religion and culture demanded of her.

but I think France is total shit for implementing this law...simply put, a government has decreed what people can and cannot wear.

I agree with this and everything else in this post.

 

[Trident1]

Well done France. Defend secularism.


Now watch the left(defenders of secularism) defend muslims and attack the French gov't for defending secularism.

 

[Supafly]

Well done France. Defend secularism.


Now watch the left(defenders of secularism) defend muslims and attack the French gov't for defending secularism.

Exactly.

But let's not only look at Islam.

Here in Germany, a court's decision made some major headlines.

A doctor at a catholic hospital got married the second time after being divirced, and the hospital dismissed him.

He took it to the court, and the court reasoned, yes, the church has the right to do that, only in specific cases like these, they have to take him back.

I think that is just like allowing shariah over the law of the country.

Church laws have got to go outside the actual churches :2 cents:

 

[emceeemcee]

Dude, your bullshit is getting so tired. If you can't take the world you live in, end it now with a screwdriver to the neck. But the rest of us don't need this constant stream of cowardly, pussy-ass, blame everyone else, Look-Ma-I-have-no-balls nonsense.

pretty obvious which of one us can't take it :1orglaugh


I'm positive there are plenty of other forums on the net which only allow glowing comments of the USA and it's allies, as to not offend the sensitivities of thin skinned nationalistic types who wish to live in a bubble. Maybe they might be more your thing.

 

[emceeemcee]

That ain't it Em.

The numbers, they don't lie:

The UNHCR puts the number even higher, estimating 4.7 million displaced Iraqis since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion......According to Washington-based Refugees International the U.S. has admitted fewer than 800 Iraqi refugees since the invasion, Sweden had accepted 18,000 and Australia had resettled almost 6,000......
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_Iraq

Europe saw around 22,000 Iraqi refugees arrive in 2006, including about 9,000 that came to Sweden.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Decision2008/story?id=3547713


Germany and France have also taken many:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/popup?id=3362635

Also basically what you are saying I think is that they over there were better off under the control of a murdering dictator.

I didn't say that. The Iraqi's did though, in various polls.

No, there's something more to the mass immigration that's not told to the people. It's a secret.

Trilateral commission?

 

[Ulysses31]

Gonna go against the grain here, which is surprising to me in this overly liberal forum, but I think France is total shit for implementing this law...simply put, a government has decreed what people can and cannot wear.

When did that become OK?

This law stems from fear, and nothing else. Fear of Islam, fear of Muslims, fear of terrorists. And what some of you who have posted in this thread have missed, obviously from NOT reading the whole article, some people aren't forced to wear them...they choose to do so. They believe in their faith, and are being denied what is to them an integral part of that faith, because of fear.

Way to take a step backwards, France, way to go.

I can understand what you're saying but the burqa is more of a cultural thing rather than a religious one so it's a choice thay don't have to make as plenty of muslim women make do with a simple headscarf if anything, I think it needs to be banned from public areas not because we're attacking Islam but because it poses a security risk as well as inhibiting social interaction. I run a store in a predominantly muslim area and we have 100s of muslim women customers and I've seen families where a mother and daughter wear a headscarf whilst another daughter is completely covered up which shows if that family felt it was important to their faith they would all cover up. A lot of the ones that do cover up seem quite uneducated (probably stopped from 'learning') so are most likely doing it because they are made to by husbands/fathers or they have a misguided view of what Islam means. I may get jumped on for saying this but I also suspect a few of the women do it just to fuck things up from the govt and win money in lawsuits, I've heard of cases where a teacher wearing a burqa was sacked (none of the pupils could hear what she was saying!) or a student was banned from college (the teacher had said you can't interact with other group members with your face covered) and they took the relevant bodies to court, ask any muslim and they say that muslims living in non muslim countries should try to adapt and not destabalise the ruling authorities and these women are doing just that so they are going against the teachings of Islam.

 

[Ravenholm]

The UK is too scared to even attempt to think about doing something like that let alone actually do it. Those of a darker skin tone in the UK have right of passage the rest of us have to fuck right off. Seriously, it is like that in the UK. This was why there were talks a few years back about it turning into a "divided Britian" because of how darker skin toned people are getting preferencial treatment in some cases over everyone else. The government here needs to grow some fucking balls!. EVERYONE should be treated the same regardless of skin colour. But try telling that to the government here!.

 

[emceeemcee]

Tell that to my friend who was wearing a MASK and riding his bike over here in my city two years ago and got stopped by police. Was that too?

Your friend is an idiot so it doesn't apply.


People who scoot about in masks in public are often robber cunts. Women in burqas aren't.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Your friend is an idiot so it doesn't apply.


People who scoot about in masks in public are often robber cunts. Women in burqas aren't.

You are so hilariously selective in your political correctness it is sickening. :rofl2:

Are you for allowing them to wear it in their drivers license foto as well like the fine lady who sued the government down there in Florida? :dunno:

 

[emceeemcee]

You are so hilariously selective in your political correctness it is sickening. :rofl2:

Are you for allowing them to wear it in their drivers license foto as well like the fine lady who sued the government down there in Florida? :dunno:

No.


If you can point to some stats showing burqas being used as a common desguise for stickups then your wailing about a supposed double standard with your friend might carry some weight.


Obviously nobody should be able to walk into a bank with their faces covered. As far as wearing it anywhere else? there are no good arguments in favor of giving governments those powers.

 

[Mayhem]

pretty obvious which of one us can't take it :1orglaugh


I'm positive there are plenty of other forums on the net which only allow glowing comments of the USA and it's allies, as to not offend the sensitivities of thin skinned nationalistic types who wish to live in a bubble. Maybe they might be more your thing.

I am neither thin skinned, nationalistic nor living in a bubble. And I'm not suggesting that you be either. I'm saying, pull your balls out of your purse, wipe off the mascara and start acting like a man. This incessant crying, whining, petulant bleating and finger pointing makes you come off like a pussy.

I'm sorry that Australia is a non-entity. I'm sorry that no one gives a rats ass about your pitiful little country. I didn't ask you to settle at the ass end of the planet. I'm sorry that you play no part on the world stage, except when Japan is bending you over and making you their bitch. But these are all things that are out of my control and the control of the people on this board (even the mods).

So why don't you either cheer up or pay someone 5 dollars for something else to be a pissy little girl about.

Movies, TV, commercials.....they always portray Aussies as he-men. How did we get stuck with you?

 

[georges]

Liberal bullshit spin article.
As if the native French are abusing those poor foreign women.

On a semi related note:
Can somebody tell me why the GOVERNMENTS of so many European countries are allowing such MASS immigration from the middle east, africa, india?
What's the REAL reason behind that?
Doesn't anyone over there question that?

They are allowing such MASS immigration from the middle east, africa, india for having cheap labor costs for dirty jobs that white europeans don't want to do. But also for creating a tougher competition on the job market so that firms have to reduce the base salary. The government of many European countries aren't thinking about their own citizens, they think about foreign citizens before their own and that is the problem.

 

[georges]

mrstrebus doesn't see "oppression" in Islam, only in Christianity or white Westerners.

:ban:

Mrtrebus doesn't live in France, so his opinion doesn't count.

 

[georges]

pretty obvious which of one us can't take it :1orglaugh


I'm positive there are plenty of other forums on the net which only allow glowing comments of the USA and it's allies, as to not offend the sensitivities of thin skinned nationalistic types who wish to live in a bubble. Maybe they might be more your thing.

There are people who are realistic and there are people who aren't. You belong to the second category because all what you do here, is to put and label stickers on other people heads. You think that is constructive? Hell no:nono: If you really wanted to make the debate more interesting, you wouldn't make the pot calling the kettle back as you usually do :kettle::bang::rant:

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

They are allowing such MASS immigration from the middle east, africa, india for having cheap labor costs for dirty jobs that white europeans don't want to do. But also for creating a tougher competition on the job market so that firms have to reduce the base salary. The government of many European countries aren't thinking about their own citizens, they think about foreign citizens before their own and that is the problem.

Sounds like a country I know.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Liberté, égalité, fraternité? :dunno:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/19/battle-for-the-burqa

1. More b.s. from the Guardian.

2. It's not house arrest. They are doing it voluntarily right? They all came out to say that no man is forcing them to wear that bedsheet....so no house arrest.


Muslims who don't like it should take off for one of the newly free Muslim-majority countries. Many of those Muslims in Europe hold citizenship to one.

 

[emceeemcee]

I'm saying, pull your balls out of your purse, wipe off the mascara and start acting like a man. This incessant crying, whining, petulant bleating and finger pointing makes you come off like a pussy.

LOL I'm not the one who turns into a precious sook when someone levels a bit of (well deserved) criticism of about the country I live in.


Learn how to take it!

I'm sorry that Australia is a non-entity. I'm sorry that no one gives a rats ass about your pitiful little country.

you're 'not a nationalist' yet you engage in pissing contests about who's country is more awesome



Priceless :rofl2:

 

[emceeemcee]

There are people who are realistic and there are people who aren't. You belong to the second category because all what you do here, is to put and label stickers on other people heads. You think that is constructive? Hell no:nono: If you really wanted to make the debate more interesting, you wouldn't make the pot calling the kettle back as you usually do :kettle::bang::rant:

And there are people who write things which make absolutely no sense...