Fitness guru Jack LaLanne, 96, dies at Calif. home

[emceeemcee]

"Natural" as a concept really has nothing to do with it. Fructose, whether by itself or in high fructose corn syrup poses the same fundamental risk, however, rarely is it consumed as such. Fructose, when consumed in a fruit, would pose a lower risk as a caloric food, as fruits contain fiber, which tends provide a "full feeling" sooner than if the food lacked it. In fruit juice, there are a number of vitamins, that in the human body react with enzymes to break fructose down quite easily. In high fructose corn syrup, this is indeed not the case, as those vitamins are missing, thus providing little more than "empty calories".

The benefits fruit has over HFCS doesn't have anything to do with fructose though.

As a side note, honey is a tough comparison, as it's got so much happening on a molecular level, that it's really in it's own category. Enzymes, different sugar sources, etc... all tend to have the net effect of making it an anomaly in the food world.

Honey is little more than fructose and glucose with some dirt and pollen in it. There are probably a few healing factors in it, but it's mainly just sugar.

 

[meesterperfect]

So if fructose is just 'natural' then one should be able to consume it in the form of HFCS without it being detrimental to their health, yes?


Or are you suggesting that the fructose in fruit and honey is somehow chemically different to the fructose found in HFCS, and is metabolized differently in the body?

no.

yes.

example: a glass of grape juice as opposed to a can of united states coca-cola.
the fructose in the juice goes right to the bloodstream and its calories are immediatly ready to be burned.
hfcs doesn't get processed the same way, its harder to convert to blood sugar and unless you are very active most attaches to the fat cells where it stays and accumulates.

just read about, there are articles and studies all over the net.
its not just coincidence that when almost all food products switched to hfcs over sucrose people started to get fat.
personally i cant see how the GOV allows it knowing its the main contributer to the obesity problem in the states, but i guess the dollar trumps all.
the GOV also changed the name to 2010 to corn sugar to fool the people.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hfcs
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...s&aq=0&aqi=g2g-c1g1g-c3g1g-c1g1&aql=&oq=hfcs+

shayd, good post but its hard to be moderate with hfcs in the states because almost every food product id loaded with it.
i live in colombia where it doesn't exist. when i'm here i am lean and hard plus a stool regularly with no problem
if i'm in the states i immediatly start getting fat and am constipated.
its like that with everybody and the hfcs is mainly to blame.
people are just so used to it now they dont even see it.
even look at porn girls, most are chunky and untone, they just cant help it, its the food.

 

[meesterperfect]

before hfcs, most people were thin, few were fat..now 20 years with this crap and its the complete opposite.

 

[emceeemcee]

no.

yes.

example: a glass of grape juice as opposed to a can of united states coca-cola.
the fructose in the juice goes right to the bloodstream and its calories are immediatly ready to be burned.

Fructose is shunted straight to the liver before it reaches the bloodstream.

hfcs doesn't get processed the same way, its harder to convert to blood sugar and unless you are very active most attaches to the fat cells where it stays and accumulates.

Got any evidence for that? I've never read anything which would support that claim.

HFCS is so much worse than fruit simply because there is considerably more fructose present.

its not just coincidence that when almost all food products switched to hfcs over sucrose people started to get fat.

Australia is going through an obesity epidemic. The main sugar in Australia is sucrose. There isn't HFCS in anything.

 

[meesterperfect]

Fructose is shunted straight to the liver before it reaches the bloodstream.



Got any evidence for that? I've never read anything which would support that claim.

HFCS is so much worse than fruit simply because there is considerably more fructose present.



Australia is going through an obesity epidemic. The main sugar in Australia is sucrose. There isn't HFCS in anything.

everything eaten goes through the liver before the blood.
and most unused sugar thats not pissed out eventually attaches to fat cells, but with hfcs its so hard for the body to process most of it goes there no matter what unless youre really burning some calories everyday with heavy exercise.

if you don't believe it don't.
i do.
it is the biggest reason people are so fat.
all the evidence is there.
the government doesnt care because they subsidized the corn industry, they make money off it too, they also keep the price of sugar high as an excuse.

read about and decide thats all.

 

[shayd]

The benefits fruit has over HFCS doesn't have anything to do with fructose though.



Honey is little more than fructose and glucose with some dirt and pollen in it. There are probably a few healing factors in it, but it's mainly just sugar.

I pointed out that fructose is not the problem. I have no disagreement there, however honey is indeed substantially more complex then just "fructose and glucose with some dirt and pollen in it". Honey itself is one of the most complex enzymatic substance found naturally on Earth. As such, the means by which it is digested isn't as simple as just sugar. Enzymes in honey make sure of that.

shayd, good post but its hard to be moderate with hfcs in the states because almost every food product id loaded with it.
i live in colombia where it doesn't exist. when i'm here i am lean and hard plus a stool regularly with no problem
if i'm in the states i immediatly start getting fat and am constipated.
its like that with everybody and the hfcs is mainly to blame.
people are just so used to it now they dont even see it.
even look at porn girls, most are chunky and untone, they just cant help it, its the food.

Unfortunately, what you are citing is little more than an anecdote, which scientifically holds no weight. The bulk of recent research has pointed to High Fructose Corn Syrup posing no inherent extra risk than any other sweetener.

http://journals.lww.com/nutritionto...nd_Lows_of_High_Fructose_Corn_Syrup__A.5.aspx

Again, it's all in how much you ingest. Moderation tends to avoid any of the effects that have been so widely publicized without much consideration to science. Excess tends to lead to problems. How would one avoid said problems? Avoid processed foods as much as possible. Soda, in general, just isn't a healthful beverage, regardless of what sweetener it has in it. Michael Pollan has done extensive work in this field and a lot of what he says about it tends to be supported by research.

 

[mrtrebus]

Ha Ha! All that keep fit stuff didn't help you from escaping the icy embrace of death! Sucker!

 

[D-rock]

Ha Ha! All that keep fit stuff didn't help you from escaping the icy embrace of death! Sucker!

At least he wasn't one of those people that was wheezing walking down the street by the time he was 60 because he was out of shape his whole life. I somehow think Jack going to come out having the last laugh on a lot of people considering how long he lived healthy.

 

[pete rose]

I have a bone to pick with this guy. Your juicer is bulky and literally not worth the squeeze. May you rot in hell, sir.

 

[meesterperfect]

thats not nice pete rose.

I pointed out that fructose is not the problem. I have no disagreement there, however honey is indeed substantially more complex then just "fructose and glucose with some dirt and pollen in it". Honey itself is one of the most complex enzymatic substance found naturally on Earth. As such, the means by which it is digested isn't as simple as just sugar. Enzymes in honey make sure of that.




Unfortunately, what you are citing is little more than an anecdote, which scientifically holds no weight. The bulk of recent research has pointed to High Fructose Corn Syrup posing no inherent extra risk than any other sweetener.

http://journals.lww.com/nutritionto...nd_Lows_of_High_Fructose_Corn_Syrup__A.5.aspx

Again, it's all in how much you ingest. Moderation tends to avoid any of the effects that have been so widely publicized without much consideration to science. Excess tends to lead to problems. How would one avoid said problems? Avoid processed foods as much as possible. Soda, in general, just isn't a healthful beverage, regardless of what sweetener it has in it. Michael Pollan has done extensive work in this field and a lot of what he says about it tends to be supported by research.

and many studies say the opposite.
i agree with the negative studies of it.
the stuff became abundant in the early 90's due to it being cheaper than sugar in the usa thanks to actions from the government.
then the government turns around a gives the corn indusrty billions.
since then almost every food product is loaded with it and thats when people, especially kids started getting really fat.
and its hard for americans to be moderate with it when everything they eat is packed with it.

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

Rose[/URL][/B], post: 5347969, member: 380567"]I have a bone to pick with this guy. Your juicer is bulky and literally not worth the squeeze. May you rot in hell, sir.

this post was asinine, tasteless, unempathetic, and down right mean.

teach me your ways mr Rose!:thumbsup:

 

[Hot Mega]

Fructose, when consumed in a fruit, would pose a lower risk as a caloric food, as fruits contain fiber, which tends provide a "full feeling" sooner than if the food lacked it. In fruit juice, there are a number of vitamins, that in the human body react with enzymes to break fructose down quite easily. In high fructose corn syrup, this is indeed not the case, as those vitamins are missing, thus providing little more than "empty calories".

The effect of the fiber in eating whole fruit (versus only the juice) is that it slows down the process of the sugar from the fruit entering the bloodstream.

Hence, less of an insulin spike. Excess insulin not only prevents the body from burning fat but it promotes fat storage.

If glycogen stores in your liver and muscles are full then the excess glucose is sent to fat cells to be stored.

You will get fat(ter)...or have a greater propensity for storing fat from drinking fruit juice alone versus eating the whole fruit.

 

[squallumz]

like i said in the other thread, i knew him personally and he was a very nice guy with a very sweet wonderful wife. he at least helped a lot of people get into being healthy and lived til a good ripe age.

i can tell you, he was very active and always on the move. he had a great sense of humour too.

 

[kingoftherodeo]

Forget the juicer, this guy was way ahead of his time back in the day. This is before Doritos and everything else. So simple, so logical...his "teachings" haven't changed even today. All he's saying is basic info, but the masses are so stupid that it becomes special. I've seen old footage of this guy talking about lean meats and veggies and calories in, calories out, exercise and w/e. These are simple and logical words to 'live by' but most people have never read a label in their life and spend their nights watching *insert lame mainstream sitcom* after work. C'est la vie.

RIP Jack Lalanne.

 

[shayd]

thats not nice pete rose.




and many studies say the opposite.
i agree with the negative studies of it.
the stuff became abundant in the early 90's due to it being cheaper than sugar in the usa thanks to actions from the government.
then the government turns around a gives the corn indusrty billions.
since then almost every food product is loaded with it and thats when people, especially kids started getting really fat.
and its hard for americans to be moderate with it when everything they eat is packed with it.

I've yet to see a reputable study done in the past 10 years that points to high fructose corn syrup being inherently worse for a person. I suppose if you want to believe the older studies, go right ahead, but uh, what's the point if you're strictly operating on belief?

The effect of the fiber in eating whole fruit (versus only the juice) is that it slows down the process of the sugar from the fruit entering the bloodstream.

Hence, less of an insulin spike. Excess insulin not only prevents the body from burning fat but it promotes fat storage.

If glycogen stores in your liver and muscles are full then the excess glucose is sent to fat cells to be stored.

You will get fat(ter)...or have a greater propensity for storing fat from drinking fruit juice alone versus eating the whole fruit.

I'm well aware. I was comparing fruit juice to high fructose corn syrup.

 

[LukeEl]

Was he the guy that pulled a Mack Truck with his teeth?

 

[pete rose]

this post was asinine, tasteless, unempathetic, and down right mean.

teach me your ways mr rose!:thumbsup:

He'll never know!

 

[Hot Mega]

I'm well aware. I was comparing fruit juice to high fructose corn syrup.

Fructose, when consumed in a fruit, would pose a lower risk as a caloric food, as fruits contain fiber, which tends provide a "full feeling" sooner than if the food lacked it.

^^The risk of making you fatter (and all the associated ills from it) is lessened because the fiber causes sugars to be absorbed slower. Thereby preventing spikes in blood sugar then a following spike of insulin.:2 cents:

What you state is not untrue from a weight/body fat control standpoint but that isn't the main reason fiber in fruit prevents fat accumulation.

 

[emceeemcee]

everything eaten goes through the liver before the blood.
and most unused sugar thats not pissed out eventually attaches to fat cells, but with hfcs its so hard for the body to process most of it goes there no matter what unless youre really burning some calories everyday with heavy exercise.

if you don't believe it don't.
i do.
it is the biggest reason people are so fat.
all the evidence is there.
the government doesnt care because they subsidized the corn industry, they make money off it too, they also keep the price of sugar high as an excuse.

read about and decide thats all.

like I said before, the reason HFCS is so bad is simply because it has so much fructose in it, not because it's metabolized differently from other things which have fructose in them

I don't disagree with you about it being (probably) solely responsible for the obesity epidemic btw

 

[emceeemcee]

^^The risk of making you fatter (and all the associated ills from it) is lessened because the fiber causes sugars to be absorbed slower. Thereby preventing spikes in blood sugar then a following spike of insulin.:2 cents:

I'm not sure that's such a problem with fructose seeing as it's already pretty low on the glycemic index due to the different metabolic path it takes compared to sucrose and glucose. I think the obesity causing effects of HFCS is due to something else (metabolic syndrome?)other than raised blood sugar and the corresponding insulin spike which makes fat tissue store more fat, though I could be wrong. From memory it's all explained in the vid below if anybody is interested enough in watching it. It's a pretty good watch if you have a spare hour.