Crass but you sort of have a point. It's like hearing on the news "there was a 3 train pile up, killing 349 today in........Bangladesh" Now that's so far away you don't care. Now, if it was in Baltimore, that would be news!!
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Crass but you sort of have a point. It's like hearing on the news "there was a 3 train pile up, killing 349 today in........Bangladesh" Now that's so far away you don't care. Now, if it was in Baltimore, that would be news!!
Actually Peter.
One of them 349 could have been someone you know on holiday or something. But you don't know that straight away.
As for this is just one person you know you don't know for real.
So the trains pile up could effect you at a later time. But you know this won't.
Re: New thread (please use it) ...
he asked for honesty, yes, but you're responding with border-line a-hole attitude. Honesty, while at times can be brutal, can still be done with some tact. Have't been on this board that long, but part of what i like is the fact people seem geniunely concerned with helping one another and just having a good time. the guy is going trhough what i can only describe as one of the roughest set of circumstances in ANYONE'S life, and although his actions led to it, no need to pour salt in the wounds.
he asked for honesty, yes, but you're responding with border-line a-hole attitude. Honesty, while at times can be brutal, can still be done with some tact. Have't been on this board that long, but part of what i like is the fact people seem geniunely concerned with helping one another and just having a good time. the guy is going trhough what i can only describe as one of the roughest set of circumstances in ANYONE'S life, and although his actions led to it, no need to pour salt in the wounds.
So I'm guessing you didn't see that twat client that got you fired after you were called into security?
Dude... I don't know you all that well, but regardless, that just sucks. It sounds like you were just trying to be nice to that woman and it ended up getting turned around on you in the worst way possible.
If nothing else I'm sure your misfortune will wake some people up about how easy it is to let your guard down with a woman in a work environment and have it throw in your face.
As for your marriage... well, not sure what to say about that. I don't know if you have kids but if not, consider it a blessing in disguise.
What kind of business are you in?
Hope everything works out for you.
Dude... I don't know you all that well, but regardless, that just sucks. It sounds like you were just trying to be nice to that woman and it ended up getting turned around on you in the worst way possible.
If nothing else I'm sure your misfortune will wake some people up about how easy it is to let your guard down with a woman in a work environment and have it throw in your face.
As for your marriage... well, not sure what to say about that. I don't know if you have kids but if not, consider it a blessing in disguise.
What kind of business are you in?
Hope everything works out for you.
I think someone said already he documented it here on Freeones to get a different perspective from peaple totally uninvolved in the situation. It's a great way to get the truth. For self reflection to see what his part in it was. It's hard to look at it through your own eyes or someone who knows you and get an unbiased perspective. Plus the people here don't know him so who cares.
Man, whew! I just went through the whole thing....it was a tough read. Not cause all the dramatics, hypocrisy, and dramatics, but because of Prof V's sig plastered throughout the thing.
I'm starting to wonder if Prof V. is really just jerking us all around. I read a lot of "shock and awe" in his original post..as in "I can't believe this is happening TO ME" kind of thing...but lately, it seems like he's resigned himself to his marriage being over and his career being side-tracked maybe indefinitely..but yet he is willing to engage in "slap and tickle" with McRocket.
Nothing McRocket actually said was offensive or shocking. The "fatty" in Prof V's signature is a rather famous pornstar who is not "displeasing" to the eye at all. Yes she may be medically "obese" but she carries the weight well. In short, I'm sure McRocket would bang the shit out of her if he ran into her in a bar. Hell, we all would...but there are grossly obese "fatties" on BBW sites that are not attractive at all because they look unhealthy and freakish fat. 66% of Americans are "obese." America is also fattening up Old Europe with every Starbucks and Mickey D's that Old Europe opens...but that's beside the point.
Basically, Prof V...I don't know why you got fired. You must not be disclosing "everything." You had a conversation with a co-contractor that hardly registers a pulse in reality. You simply must have used your corporate email for "naughtiness" or maybe you surfed for porn while on site...Based on what you originally disclosed, you should immediately hire an attorney and seek action. The "fatty" is at fault. She led the conversation and seemed to not let the initial conversation die out.
After you were "fired"..why you bothered to meet with her in public is beyond me..UNLESS YOU REALLY HAVE BEEN OBSESSED WITH HER. A simple phone call woud've sufficed. So I say again...you had ulterior motives.
Freud says, "THERE ARE NO MISTAKES"...so your "tit grab" was basically intentional and had to have come from a true manifested desire.
HOWEVER...we in the WEST are ROUTINELY told that Women are sexually harassed at work or in public by men...and they simply "accept it and move on"...because..again..what did you really do? You made out with a chick and grabbed her boob. SHOCK OF SHOCK. You didn't force her on her knees, corner her, threaten her, intimidate her...basically...I think 99% of women get what you did ON A GODDAMN DANCE FLOOR ON A CLUB EVERY WEEKEND....I just want to say that Women are more mature about sexuality then Men are...99% of the time. I don't "condone" harassment..I just think Women are far beyond men..we're the sheep.
Basically...again...I don't think you "cheated" or "ruined your marriage" based on what you described. Clearly, your wife "has REAL concerns" about your conduct...but it stems from something else...not this episode...imo.
I think your marriage is salvageable..if you want it. Maybe you don't. Maybe you're just bored with your fucking life. It happens to us all.
Basically...I think your situation is weird more then serious...and entirely fixable. You can have you life back if you want it..but get off your ass and make it happen man!!
Nothing McRocket actually said was offensive or shocking. The "fatty" in Prof V's signature is a rather famous pornstar who is not "displeasing" to the eye at all. Yes she may be medically "obese" but she carries the weight well. In short, I'm sure McRocket would bang the shit out of her if he ran into her in a bar. Hell, we all would...but there are grossly obese "fatties" on BBW sites that are not attractive at all because they look unhealthy and freakish fat. 66% of Americans are "obese." America is also fattening up Old Europe with every Starbucks and Mickey D's that Old Europe opens...but that's beside the point.
Basically, Prof V...I don't know why you got fired. You must not be disclosing "everything." You had a conversation with a co-contractor that hardly registers a pulse in reality. You simply must have used your corporate email for "naughtiness" or maybe you surfed for porn while on site...Based on what you originally disclosed, you should immediately hire an attorney and seek action. The "fatty" is at fault. She led the conversation and seemed to not let the initial conversation die out.
After you were "fired"..why you bothered to meet with her in public is beyond me..UNLESS YOU REALLY HAVE BEEN OBSESSED WITH HER. A simple phone call woud've sufficed. So I say again...you had ulterior motives.
Freud says, "THERE ARE NO MISTAKES"...so your "tit grab" was basically intentional and had to have come from a true manifested desire.
HOWEVER...we in the WEST are ROUTINELY told that Women are sexually harassed at work or in public by men...and they simply "accept it and move on"...because..again..what did you really do? You made out with a chick and grabbed her boob. SHOCK OF SHOCK. You didn't force her on her knees, corner her, threaten her, intimidate her...basically...I think 99% of women get what you did ON A GODDAMN DANCE FLOOR ON A CLUB EVERY WEEKEND....I just want to say that Women are more mature about sexuality then Men are...99% of the time. I don't "condone" harassment..I just think Women are far beyond men..we're the sheep.
Basically...again...I don't think you "cheated" or "ruined your marriage" based on what you described. Clearly, your wife "has REAL concerns" about your conduct...but it stems from something else...not this episode...imo.
I think your marriage is salvageable..if you want it. Maybe you don't. Maybe you're just bored with your fucking life. It happens to us all.
Basically...I think your situation is weird more then serious...and entirely fixable. You can have you life back if you want it..but get off your ass and make it happen man!!
Really should do your research before you post.
Over 50% of rapist rape again.
Over 75% of rapists say they would rape again if they had the chance.
Over 80% of rapists say they didn't regret what they had done.
One of the biggest kicks rapists get is to sexually abuse someone without permission. The woman is treated as a soleless object just there for there pleasure. The power they think they get is a turn on for them.
The mental anguish suffered by the woman can effect every aspect of their lives. Not just their sex life. Even so much so they can't leave the house. Even not wanting to watch TV because seeing a man takes them back to the rape. It can really be that bad.
So you can forgive someone for doing that. Plus most of them would do it again.
Like I said it just confirms that how I thought you saw women has been confirmed. Something that is just there for your pleasure, without any feelings or a sole.
I'm a rapist?!
This is now getting into a point where you guys shooing bullets back and one another is hitting me.
Guys, I can admit a lot, and I can inflect and reflect quite a lot.
I can carry the burden of my actions, that I found the woman hot.
But it was not any "power" that drove me to do what I did.
It was vulnerability and comfort that led me into being really stupid.
Let me say that again, it was the combination of vulnerability and comfort.
It would have been different had she not even moved towards me to give me a hug.
I would have no split second confusion and entry into a stupid, stupid, stupid half-second of poor judgment.
Furthermore, I was in a huge, public forum, not trying to corner and over-power someone when they were alone.
I don't need you analyzing other, different situations and confusing them with mine.
I've got enough issues, consequences and other self-doubt doubt to ponder than those that don't apply.
If you want to think my "lust" is "out-of-control" and needs to be in-check and reserved, fine, I agree.
But to suggest that "lust" is about "rape," I'm sorry, I've already had that "judgment" by McRocket even before this "incident."
And a good mental check of my knowledge of what "rape" is, and that's based on violence and over-powering, not the same thing.
Not the same thing at all, sorry.
Hell, I've comforted a woman and given her a hug only to have her stick her tongue down my throat before.
Sometimes when people are vulnerable and they are given comfort, they slip into a moment of mis-judgment.
It's wrong, it's something people need to correct and I don't doubt that at all.
But it doesn't mean you're a rapist.
Sorry, gotta draw the line there, despite what McRocket said before this "incident," and what I'm getting hit by in this "exchange" here.
Okay, I guess now I'm a rapist?!
This is now getting into a point where you guys shooing bullets back and one another is hitting me.
Guys, I can admit a lot, and I can inflect and reflect quite a lot.
I can carry the burden of my actions, that I found the woman hot.
But it was not any "power" that drove me to do what I did.
It was vulnerability and comfort that led me into being really stupid.
Let me say that again, it was the combination of vulnerability and comfort.
It would have been different had she not even moved towards me to give me a hug.
I would have no split second confusion and entry into a stupid, stupid, stupid half-second of poor judgment.
Furthermore, I was in a huge, public forum, not trying to corner and over-power someone when they were alone.
I don't need you analyzing other, different situations and confusing them with mine.
I've got enough issues, consequences and other self-doubt doubt to ponder than those that don't apply.
If you want to think my "lust" is "out-of-control" and needs to be in-check and reserved, fine, I agree.
But to suggest that "lust" is about "rape," I'm sorry, I've already had that "judgment" by McRocket even before this "incident."
And a good mental check of my knowledge of what "rape" is, and that's based on violence and over-powering, not the same thing.
Not the same thing at all, sorry.
Hell, I've comforted a woman and given her a hug only to have her stick her tongue down my throat before.
Sometimes when people are vulnerable and they are given comfort, they slip into a moment of mis-judgment.
It's wrong, it's something people need to correct and I don't doubt that at all.
But it doesn't mean you're a rapist.
Sorry, gotta draw the line there, despite what McRocket said before this "incident," and what I'm getting hit by in this "exchange" here.
I want to apologize to all overweight women (and partly to Prof Voluptuary) for my earlier post on 'fat' women.
Prof Voluptuary and I have been going at it and I let it get to me.
But I was tired of him assuming that all men must like that type of look. And I honestly thought he was losing touch with reality on that point - a bit.
Overweight women often are in denial about their extra weight. Or, they feel very badly (rightly or wrongly) about it.
So naturally when an intelligent and confident guy (like Prof appears to be) tells them they look great, they will love it. And that's fine.
But I felt that this was giving him a false sense of over confidence with the members of the opposite sex that he desired. Which may have partly led to what happened in his dealing's with the women in the bar described above.
An analogy would be that he was playing in the minor leagues of baseball. And doing VERY well. But it gave him a false sense of confidence. Whereas most of us strive for the 'pros' like the many slim and gorgeous women displayed on this site.
But I went too far and I just kept rambling. I apologize to him for being so blunt out of nowhere. Not for my point (which I still agree with), but for the way I made it - which was badly.
But MOST OF ALL - I want to apologize to any overweight women that read it (though I imagine that is not many). I myself was 60 pounds overweight years ago (I am no longer). And I know how emotionally debilitating it can be.
And yes, there are attractive, voluptuous women.
But make no mistake, being overweight is NOT healthy. Neither for the body or for the soul. And I felt MUCH better when I lost the weight. And I have a general problem with the glorification of a state of personal health that inevitably results in a shortening of ones lifespan along with the reduction in one's happiness during that time.
But to those whom I offended, I am sorry.
Prof Voluptuary and I have been going at it and I let it get to me.
But I was tired of him assuming that all men must like that type of look. And I honestly thought he was losing touch with reality on that point - a bit.
Overweight women often are in denial about their extra weight. Or, they feel very badly (rightly or wrongly) about it.
So naturally when an intelligent and confident guy (like Prof appears to be) tells them they look great, they will love it. And that's fine.
But I felt that this was giving him a false sense of over confidence with the members of the opposite sex that he desired. Which may have partly led to what happened in his dealing's with the women in the bar described above.
An analogy would be that he was playing in the minor leagues of baseball. And doing VERY well. But it gave him a false sense of confidence. Whereas most of us strive for the 'pros' like the many slim and gorgeous women displayed on this site.
But I went too far and I just kept rambling. I apologize to him for being so blunt out of nowhere. Not for my point (which I still agree with), but for the way I made it - which was badly.
But MOST OF ALL - I want to apologize to any overweight women that read it (though I imagine that is not many). I myself was 60 pounds overweight years ago (I am no longer). And I know how emotionally debilitating it can be.
And yes, there are attractive, voluptuous women.
But make no mistake, being overweight is NOT healthy. Neither for the body or for the soul. And I felt MUCH better when I lost the weight. And I have a general problem with the glorification of a state of personal health that inevitably results in a shortening of ones lifespan along with the reduction in one's happiness during that time.
But to those whom I offended, I am sorry.
Why I don't end up needing to apologize ...
I am so honest and so compatible in my own way for my own life.
I don't feel the need to lambast an entire grouping of people to disagree with someone else.
I've learned long ago that many people like what they like, and have ways to make it very compatible.
Why you must feel the need to lambast others and those who agree, I have no idea.
You only end up hurting yourself and your image, not those who you are lambasting.
You must be right, I must be wrong
You've stated you were the only person try to "help me" before this happened.
You've now been claiming that this whole set of circumstances happened because of my attitude.
I'm not denying that, I'm reflecting on it and I'm trying to better myself.
I'll still stand by my comments prior that you hold way too much judgment on others.
I will no longer comment or analyze why that may be.
I will do that regardless of what "warnings" you're trying to give me, even if I think you are still analyzing me as a result.
Think carefully what I am saying here, that I have only returned "analysis" with "analysis."
What you call a "warning," I call a "judgment."
What you conclude causes "rape," I pointed out the reality that it has little to do with it, but you inferred it towards me yet.
That's what I've been trying to point out to you for some great time now.
And I've now given you the full avenue to "have at it."
But in the end, what did you do? Or more importantly, what did you accomplish?
I saw you go after many of my posts in other threads, and constantly infer back to this one.
Dude, You win! Enjoy your victory!
But be careful of all the people you alienate when you do, when you touch on things that have nothing to do with me.
Furthermore, I have stated -- directly several times now -- that I'm talking about less than 5% of full figured women.
I really don't even understand the "value" in these two sentences at all ... really.
Because they are "desperate" and I either am or just look "desperate" for doing it?
Again, I'm not seeing your point.
All I see is backtracking ... something I think you could have avoided in the first place.
I don't think anyone could even infer otherwise from everything I posted in pure, absolute and utter honesty.
What I did wrong was take my vulnerability and combined it with the comfort she offered, and reacted in a way I was used to when presented with such.
And that was wrong, utterly and simply wrong, and it hurt someone dearly, and made me question myself.
But between "stretching" this non-sense as a "guess" along with the Fox-Poggy "stretching" on rape, I'm sorry, I'm not that dumb.
Yes, I'm pretty dumb, pretty stupid and pretty much questioning everything in my life now, but some things still don't apply.
In fact, are you so sure that your "analysis" of me prior, and had I "just listened" to you, would have prevented any of this?
Re-read what you just stated in the preceding "analogy" -- damn! :1orglaugh
Furthermore, you're a man -- have you ever been a woman had put under the same level of "attack" ...
In every media form?
In every social form?
In every comment ... "well, accept it!"?
They aren't "slim and gorgeous" like the babes in the "major leagues," and have to "settle" for guys like me.
I'm glad we got that "cleared up."
You may think I'm a jerk and you may think I'm being argumentative.
I won't even deny those facts in this response either.
But it's still the truth and the reality.
I'll use Kate Dillon as an example.
She'd be slender and fit at a size 10.
But she chooses to be a size 14.
She could starve herself and get back down to a size 6.
And she'd be in a state where she should be in the hospital.
It's all 4 sizes different from each end, right?
I'll take her at a size 14, and complement her on her choice.
Sometimes letting a woman be 2-4 sizes bigger, with plus 20-30lbs., is not a thread on her health.
Even if that means she's 50-60lbs. beyond her BMI.
Which is what Kate Dillon is, who would be a size 8 or less at her BMI, and utterly unhealthy.
And to get back to her "next Cindy Crawford" title, she'd have to be a size 6, which is tempting death.
There is saying your sorry, and then there is being truly sorry.
You can hate me for responding to this or blaming me further, but you really need to think about the difference.
Here's the thing ... I don't have to apologize.
I am so honest and so compatible in my own way for my own life.
I don't feel the need to lambast an entire grouping of people to disagree with someone else.
I've learned long ago that many people like what they like, and have ways to make it very compatible.
Why you must feel the need to lambast others and those who agree, I have no idea.
You only end up hurting yourself and your image, not those who you are lambasting.
As I said off-list ...
You must be right, I must be wrong
You've stated you were the only person try to "help me" before this happened.
You've now been claiming that this whole set of circumstances happened because of my attitude.
I'm not denying that, I'm reflecting on it and I'm trying to better myself.
I'll still stand by my comments prior that you hold way too much judgment on others.
I will no longer comment or analyze why that may be.
I will do that regardless of what "warnings" you're trying to give me, even if I think you are still analyzing me as a result.
Think carefully what I am saying here, that I have only returned "analysis" with "analysis."
What you call a "warning," I call a "judgment."
What you conclude causes "rape," I pointed out the reality that it has little to do with it, but you inferred it towards me yet.
That's what I've been trying to point out to you for some great time now.
And I've now given you the full avenue to "have at it."
But in the end, what did you do? Or more importantly, what did you accomplish?
I saw you go after many of my posts in other threads, and constantly infer back to this one.
Dude, You win! Enjoy your victory!
But be careful of all the people you alienate when you do, when you touch on things that have nothing to do with me.
All men? Hardly!
Furthermore, I have stated -- directly several times now -- that I'm talking about less than 5% of full figured women.
What other "views" do you think they should have?
I really don't even understand the "value" in these two sentences at all ... really.
Patronizing. Anyone who starts with "an intelligent and confident guy" is either patronizing or leading.
So all I tell them is that "they look great"?! Umm, I put a lot more depth into it than that!
Because they are "desperate" and I either am or just look "desperate" for doing it?
Again, I'm not seeing your point.
All I see is backtracking ... something I think you could have avoided in the first place.
No, I knew the woman did not want me, and never thought otherwise.
I don't think anyone could even infer otherwise from everything I posted in pure, absolute and utter honesty.
What I did wrong was take my vulnerability and combined it with the comfort she offered, and reacted in a way I was used to when presented with such.
And that was wrong, utterly and simply wrong, and it hurt someone dearly, and made me question myself.
But between "stretching" this non-sense as a "guess" along with the Fox-Poggy "stretching" on rape, I'm sorry, I'm not that dumb.
Yes, I'm pretty dumb, pretty stupid and pretty much questioning everything in my life now, but some things still don't apply.
In fact, are you so sure that your "analysis" of me prior, and had I "just listened" to you, would have prevented any of this?
Oh yeah, that's a real "save" there ... good one!
Is this post any different? Seriously!
Re-read what you just stated in the preceding "analogy" -- damn! :1orglaugh
And you didn't add to that, but just "lumping" them "all together" as one big "fattie pile" of concern?
Furthermore, you're a man -- have you ever been a woman had put under the same level of "attack" ...
In every media form?
In every social form?
In every comment ... "well, accept it!"?
But they are in the "minor leagues," right?
They aren't "slim and gorgeous" like the babes in the "major leagues," and have to "settle" for guys like me.
I'm glad we got that "cleared up."
You may think I'm a jerk and you may think I'm being argumentative.
I won't even deny those facts in this response either.
But it's still the truth and the reality.
Unfortunately, some women can't break a size 10, and they can't reach the "major leagues" without health issues in the opposite direction.
I'll use Kate Dillon as an example.
She'd be slender and fit at a size 10.
But she chooses to be a size 14.
She could starve herself and get back down to a size 6.
And she'd be in a state where she should be in the hospital.
It's all 4 sizes different from each end, right?
I'll take her at a size 14, and complement her on her choice.
Sometimes letting a woman be 2-4 sizes bigger, with plus 20-30lbs., is not a thread on her health.
Even if that means she's 50-60lbs. beyond her BMI.
Which is what Kate Dillon is, who would be a size 8 or less at her BMI, and utterly unhealthy.
And to get back to her "next Cindy Crawford" title, she'd have to be a size 6, which is tempting death.
But the hits just keep on coming ...
There is saying your sorry, and then there is being truly sorry.
You can hate me for responding to this or blaming me further, but you really need to think about the difference.
That's what porn does to you. It makes you obsessive...addicted even. And gives you an unrealistic view of women. That's the danger with porn; you've gotta realize that half the crap they do in porn, would get you a slap in the face in real life if you tried it.
But I don't want to criticize you personally because, honestly I don't know you. I say, try the best person you can be, and make a concious effort to be empathetic toward others.
But I don't want to criticize you personally because, honestly I don't know you. I say, try the best person you can be, and make a concious effort to be empathetic toward others.
Porn, empathy incompatible?
What if I disagreed with that?
I question myself, but is it really so?
What did porn have to do with my touching and kissing that woman?
Could it have been that I related an embrace by someone else to my wife doing the same with her approval that I could kiss her and touch her in that split-second?
I honestly felt comfort, at my moment of weakness and vulnerability.
Yes, it was stupid to confide in her, and I stupidly chose that because I couldn't find anyone else, still stupid, I agree.
Then I felt into a comfort that I had with my wife and then BAM! I realized it wasn't her.
I later realized it's because I never get hugs anywhere, except from relatives, of which I'm never attracted to.
So it was a scenario I wasn't used to -- not excusing it or saying I really fucked up, but is it really a case of ...
"Enjoying porn, lusting after porn, etc... really programmed me to do it?"
What if my wife even disagreed with that and told me that enjoying porn and having a sense of empathy are compatible?
So enjoying porn and a sense of empathy are not compatible?
What if I disagreed with that?
I question myself, but is it really so?
What did porn have to do with my touching and kissing that woman?
Could it have been that I related an embrace by someone else to my wife doing the same with her approval that I could kiss her and touch her in that split-second?
I honestly felt comfort, at my moment of weakness and vulnerability.
Yes, it was stupid to confide in her, and I stupidly chose that because I couldn't find anyone else, still stupid, I agree.
Then I felt into a comfort that I had with my wife and then BAM! I realized it wasn't her.
I later realized it's because I never get hugs anywhere, except from relatives, of which I'm never attracted to.
So it was a scenario I wasn't used to -- not excusing it or saying I really fucked up, but is it really a case of ...
"Enjoying porn, lusting after porn, etc... really programmed me to do it?"
What if my wife even disagreed with that and told me that enjoying porn and having a sense of empathy are compatible?
I have not had time to read all of this.
But Prof Voluptuary I am really sorry that you have found yourself in this situation.
And I do no think using porn has anything to do with it. There are men who raped women long before porn was easily had. And for some men enjoying women in porn is simply about the fact that they enjoy women's bodies and I do not see anything wrong with men finding girls' bodies sexy and beautiful
Mel
But Prof Voluptuary I am really sorry that you have found yourself in this situation.
And I do no think using porn has anything to do with it. There are men who raped women long before porn was easily had. And for some men enjoying women in porn is simply about the fact that they enjoy women's bodies and I do not see anything wrong with men finding girls' bodies sexy and beautiful
Mel
I disagree (surprise!). Executing rapists does not make us worse than rapists, it's makes us humane and efficient. I don't care if rapists can "change", they can also die, and that is a much more foolproof solution.
Actually, Christians mainly aspire to be forgiven. A more honorable way to conduct your life is to treat people fairly, don't steal from them, kill their dog or fuck their wife, and be honest. Live right, and you won't need anyone's forgiveness.
I would never think anything remotely like that. One thing I like about you is you elevate women on a pedestal and (at least I think) seem to treat them with the utmost of respect. As it should be.
Alright Timmy the Tool. Let's take a moment to analyze (and completely destroy) your statement of "that's what porn does to you". If porn turns us into sexually obsessed animals with no self control, then wouldn't it stand to reason that EVERY SINGLE MEMBER here should have a similar story of losing his job, crumbling his marriage, and accosting a women in restaurants worldwide? Well that's not the case ToolTime. I've been flogging the dolphin to porn for, well, ever and I understand that women, along with every other human on earth, need to be treated with respect and a sense of personal boundaries.
Porn does not make you obsessive and addictive. Being obsessive and addictive makes you obsessive and addictive.
Besides - forgiveness is pointless without repentance.
god doesn't grant forgiveness just because you ask for it. You confess and you repent and if you do a good job of it all, ultimately god will forgive you.
cheers,
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
This thread is getting way off topic. How did it go from someone asking for some advice on a bad situation to talking about how we should feel about rapists? :dunno:
I was thinking more of a molester then a rapists. :dunno:
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