Donte Stallworth...am I off-base here?

[feller469]

The guy is convicted of manslaughter, has been sentenced and now he wants the sentence changed so he can attend football camp and games?

I understand that he is allowed to earn a living while serving his house arrest, but does it have to be football? Why does it have to be football? he went to college. Why can't he apply his education to his new vocation?

I am a little conflicted here. i don't understand why his punishment needs to be modified to accommodate football. He killed a guy.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[STDiva]

That's ridiculous. He should be happy he isn't in prison. He shouldn't be playing football this season. Or probably ever again.

Hey Dante. Wait until you've paid your dues to society before you try and play football again.

I don't know how many times people have said this, but playing professional sports is a privilege, not a right. He fucked up and lost his privileges.

I fucking hate athletes sometimes.

 

[Jagger69]

He should be in prison. However, if the stipulations of his sentence permit him to pursue his chosen career, it's not his fault that he wants to go for it. I am in no way vindicating this guy for his crime.....I'm just saying that if it's legal for him to seek work, he can't be blamed for taking advantage of it (see Michael Vick).

That's why people hire lawyers. It's just another example of a fatally-flawed system.

 

[biomech]

This would be an absolute perversion of justice if he was allowed to play and practice.
What he needs is jail time, if it were any of us, we would be in jail. Disgusting.

 

[eddyb]

That's ridiculous. He should be happy he isn't in prison. He shouldn't be playing football this season. Or probably ever again.

Hey Dante. Wait until you've paid your dues to society before you try and play football again.

I don't know how many times people have said this, but playing professional sports is a privilege, not a right. He fucked up and lost his privileges.

I fucking hate athletes sometimes.

very well put :dunno:

 

[Skyraider22]

I'm one of the biggest football fans on this fourm and I agree with you what is did he should be in prison I don't care how good you are,he has a gift that only a few people have and his silly self can't be humble enought to set a good example for everyone not just children some people give you this god-like status and you act like a dumb-ass and go out drinking and driving and the same for Adam"pac-Man"Jones as well you have a great skills but you won't to show people how cool you are and do dumb things and then why I can't get a break THIS IS WHY you have killed a person what the hell is wrong with you.he has a big break and now is whining you know what take his ungrateful ass to jail for 100 years you took a man's life GROW UP and count your blessing be more like Kurt Warner,Steve Young Jerry Rice I mean really.

 

[Hot Mega]

You'd have to check Florida law with respect to accident culpability. It's not as cut and dried as you're automatically at fault just because you are under some influence as with most other jurisdiction.

He killed someone but the person ran out into traffic without looking...he would have likely been hit under the same circumstances whether it was Stallworth or not or alcohol involved or not. That was the consideration the prosecutor used in striking the plea bargain.

As far as him seeking approval to attend some training (or any other circumstance that required he be away from home for extended periods of time)...that's what's stipulated under the terms of his house arrest. It's not some additional leniency..it's a part of his punishment.

 

[Legzman]

I am a little conflicted here. i don't understand why his punishment needs to be modified to accommodate football. He killed a guy.

because he's rich and famous. Nuf said.

 

[Skyraider22]

because he's rich and famous. Nuf said.

I tried not to say anything about the moey but he know what is really going on:dunno:

 

[Legzman]

I tried not to say anything about the moey but he know what is really going on:dunno:

Remember OJ? The world knows he's guilty, yet he walked on a double homicide charge. Rich + famous = you can buy your freedom. Money really does by anything.

 

[Hot Mega]

Remember OJ? The world knows he's guilty, yet he walked on a double homicide charge. Rich + famous = you can buy your freedom. Money really does by anything.

Emotions aside, if one of your lead detectives if pleading the 5th in front of a jury, the defense demonstrated chain of custody improprieties with multiple exhibits of evidence and you (the prosecutor) instruct the defendant to put on a glove you say fits and it apparently doesn't....That defendant is probably going to walk and rightfully so. Not because he's innocent but because the prosecution didn't present a case beyond a reasonable doubt. What that technically means is, in every case during the trial where there is a doubt it goes in favor of the defendant....not the prosecution.

With respect to Stallworth...to the extent that it matters how much resources he could marshal in his defense just means an average guy may have gotten railroaded.

In Florida..the laws differ. You're not automatically at fault just because you're over the limit. The witnesses confirmed Stallworth's version of the events. The guy ran out into traffic without looking and Stallworth was coming around a curve at the speed limit. It's most likely the case anyone under any circumstance would have hit the guy.

It was an unfortunate event but that's all it was.

 

[Baill Inneraora]

I thought the NFL suspended Stallworth indefinitely.

 

[girk1]

Remember OJ? The world knows he's guilty, yet he walked on a double homicide charge. Rich + famous = you can buy your freedom. Money really does by anything.

Well, another Floridian was More rich & famous than Stallworth(Hulk Hogan) & it did not help his son who got several months behind bars for a less fatal accident.:dunno:

As someone else has pointed out there were 'extenuating circumstances' to the Stallworth case & the victim's family,prosecutors,defense,etc.... alll seem content with the resolution. If anything I think celebrities are now bigger targets & actually subject to more harsh prosecutions by D.A.'s wanting to make a name for themsleves or prove how tough they are on crime.

The same unfounded attacks were made against Paris Hilton & Nicole Richie who got absolutely no more favorable punishment than the average Californian who had done the same crime(DUI).
I am finding myself increasingly in favor/empathy with celebrities who are becoming victims of these public/media lynch mobs & D.A.s wanting to make an example of them.

It seems that many are confusng 'justice' with 'vengeance' & I see no point in not allowing this man to continue in his profession. Leonard Little has set the NFL precedent however,(suspended 8 games for the same crime) & I doubt if Stallworth gets less than an eight game suspension.

 

[cl0ckw0rkman]

i have heard more people say that vick should be out of football, with the dog fighting. this is the first i've seen people talking bout stallworth. they both have their rights, no matter what we want them to do or where we want them to be, and those of u that say if it was me or if it was one of us that might be true, it's not that they play football, however it's that they have buckets of money and can get good lawyers. should they play football again, not my call, but when anyone else gets out of jail or prison they can work and do what they are able to do, and they can still play so ...............

 

[Member2019]

Here's the problem ...

Here's the problem ... uneven enforcement.

Vick served his time. Stallworth has not. Yet we've kept Vick out while Stallworth lobbies for changes in his sentence.

The NFL needs to stop trying to be the Justice Department. The NFL needs to stop trying to "make up" for whatever.

When a NFL player is convicted, then they are convicted and out of society. Before that, they are innocent.

When a NFL player servers their time, then they are a member of society again. Unless the NFL is going to have a standing policy that convicted felons are not employable -- and apply it equally to all (which is what some companies do, although there are legal issues with such a policy) -- then they need to stop the non-sense.

Not only is this the ethical thing to do. But their current policies with the uneven aspects are a major liability. They keep making it a complex argument when it needs to be simple.

 

[wolves39]

he should be in prison

 

[Hot Mega]

Re: Here's the problem ...

Here's the problem ... uneven enforcement.

Vick served his time. Stallworth has not. Yet we've kept Vick out while Stallworth lobbies for changes in his sentence.

The NFL needs to stop trying to be the Justice Department. The NFL needs to stop trying to "make up" for whatever.

When a NFL player is convicted, then they are convicted and out of society. Before that, they are innocent.

When a NFL player servers their time, then they are a member of society again. Unless the NFL is going to have a standing policy that convicted felons are not employable -- and apply it equally to all (which is what some companies do, although there are legal issues with such a policy) -- then they need to stop the non-sense.

Not only is this the ethical thing to do. But their current policies with the uneven aspects are a major liability. They keep making it a complex argument when it needs to be simple.

Vick served his time, Stallworth has served his jail sentence and in the process of serving his house arrest and probation.

Both individuals deserve the opportunity to continue their trade IMO.

 

[bendher]

If stallworths sentence doesn't allow him to play football he shouldn't complain he committed manslaughter and I know it sounds cheesy but don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Yeah the NFL shouldn't try to be the law but that happens in other places where people may not get hired if they have a criminal history, the NFL is a product, they don't want to lose money because of vick, know they need to save face, show they've paid their dues to society and the game (privilege not a right) :2 cents:

 

[Hot Mega]

If stallworths sentence doesn't allow him to play football he shouldn't complain he committed manslaughter and I know it sounds cheesy but don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Yeah the NFL shouldn't try to be the law but that happens in other places where people may not get hired if they have a criminal history, the NFL is a product, they don't want to lose money because of vick, know they need to save face, show they've paid their dues to society and the game (privilege not a right) :2 cents:

When under house arrest you have the right to pursue and retain employment.

 

[ChefChiTown]

I thought the NFL suspended Stallworth indefinitely.

They did. But, he's allowed to "train" while he's on house arrest.

:dunno: