Do you belive in god?

[Digital]

Yes.

 

[Spanky's Anger]

I've had too many Out-Of-Body Experiences to believe in a god...I believe we are all gods, couched in creaturehood.

Thank you. :hatsoff:

 

[CanyonsCans]

yes

 

[CrissyMoran]

absolutely! Always have and always will...and I will never deny it to anyone who asks.

 

[spiceworld]

No, simple as that.

 

[juballs]

simple, yes.

 

[Undertaker]

hmm more then half of those who voted belive in god , intresting

 

[D-rock]

I voted no.....I started to search for the other threads that have been posted about this same subject but then I remembered that I'm lazy :dunno:

It is pretty bad when you have to remind yourself that you're lazy. :tongue:

 

[Peter Gazinya]

Perhaps you'll forget that you forgot for a while...:yesyes:

 

[the fonz]

I've always been a firm believer in something doesn't come from nothing.
In our everyday experience, just about everything seems to have a beginning...The same can be shown to be true for the entire universe.

So you're using the Kalam Cosmological Argument.

1. If beginning, then caused.
2. Universe had beginning.
3. Therefore, universe was caused.

The fault with this argument lies in equivocation. Equivocation occurs when the same word is being used in an argument but the meaning of it has changed. This has been done with the word "beginning." The definition of the word changes from the first premise to the second.

When theists support the first premise, they take everyday objects and show that it is true. My desk, for example, was made by a carpenter using a machine. Since my desk did not always exist, positing the carpenter to explain the existence of my desk is plausible. However, when we come to the universe, there is an important difference. According to big bang cosmology, no time existed before the universe did. It makes sense to talk about causation while time exists but how can A cause B when there is no time?

Here is how the definitions are changing:

Beginning (1)--X exists at a time T and there is time before it when X does not exist.

Beginning (2)--X exists at a time T and there is no time before it when X does not exist.

It is true that the universe has not existed forever. However, it is true that the universe has existed for all of time. It does not make sense to talk about "before" the universe existed because there was no time then. Given no time, it is hard to see how two things could cause each other.

Check out my paper on the Cosmological argument here.

Scientists get excited about finding stone tools in a cave because these speak of intelligence (a tool maker). They could not have designed themselves. Neither would anyone believe that the carved Presidents’ heads on Mt Rushmore were the product of millions of years of chance erosion. We can recognize design (the evidence of the out workings of intelligence) in the man-made objects all around us.

Order does not imply design. Order can come from one of three possible places: (1) a designer, (2) natural laws, or (3)chance.

The second choice is a viable one for things like snowflakes. You don't believe there is an intelligent being up in the clouds carving out unique snowflakes do you? No, you posit natural laws to explain such things.

Therefore, the existence of order could simply imply the existence of natural law that causes this order instead of the existence of a designer. Therefore, order does not imply design.

In fact, the evolutionists who deny God have a blind faith they have to believe something that is against real science namely, that information can arise from disorder by chance.

Well no, they believe that complexity can arise due to (1) mutation and (2) environmental pressures (aka Natural selection). Those components explain complexity rather well and are consistent with "real science."

 

[dallasv8]

who really cares how the universe started lol,the question was do you believe in god

 

[McRocket]

I believe in a Godlike entity(s). But not the God in the Christian sense.

I am not sure, or course.

 

[the fonz]

who really cares how the universe started lol,the question was do you believe in god

Well I was attempting to dispute his arguments that the universe was started by God. I forgot to say whether I believed in one or not. I do not.

 

[SeraphiM]

^ I guess we will have to agree to disagree :thumbsup:

 

[McRocket]

^ I guess we will have to agree to disagree :thumbsup:

I won't agree to that. Never.

 

[member2686]

LOL! The official mcrocket smiley:

:1orglaugh :hatsoff:

I won't agree to that. Never.

 

[McRocket]

LOL! The official mcrocket smiley:

:1orglaugh :hatsoff:

Jeez. He asks me to lighten up. So I make a joke and look at the reaction.

Your Signature should read:

'Now let's all play nice. Always.'

 

[Feelie]

I do, think it would be pretty scary if you didn't.

Even if you believe in the big bang theory, what started the big bang.

 

[om3ga]

I do, think it would be pretty scary if you didn't.

Even if you believe in the big bang theory, what started the big bang.

One theory has it that the "membranes" of two parallel universes collided, causing the big bang.....

 

[Feelie]

One theory has it that the "membranes" of two parallel universes collided, causing the big bang.....

Maybe this is getting away from God and focusing more on if there is a higher force as you put but something must of created those parellel universes that collided.