Do All Britain's Really Hate America Like I'm Being Told?????

[-KING-]

I wont say i hate America, but i do detest its government

 

[accessspecialex]

In 'conquering', I'm was referring to how England, France, Spain, etc, have expanded throughout the entire world, using bullying tactics, and brute force over the past several centuries. And all these countries still do the same thing today, just on a lesser level compared to the U.S., because they've lost much of their power and influence. Still the same today though.

pot. keetle. black. big time, BIG TIME. And it's United Kingdom, NOT England.

When have we not tried to do all those things? Do WE really have to solve ALL the world's problems? How about a little help there guys.

Yeah, and then you gave up. Yes, the US has very special privileges as the most powerful country in the world, and until the EU truly gets it together it is up to you.

But we have lead by example. All throughout the cold war... We haven't changed from those days at all.

Jeez, your in the trap of the thinking that there's a massive enemy out to get you, can't you see it's a trap because the administration have nothing else to say?

Yes the world owes USA more than a lot after WWII, because it is thanks US$ and the Marshall plan that Europe could be rebuilt. Europe will fall into small pieces as did U.S.S.R.

We've paid you back recently, do you want the kitchen sink as well? Seriously, how do you think an attitude like that is going to endear you to the world?

The UN has proved its unefficiency in Bosnia and Kosovo where its armed forces and soldiers were always hit or destoryed by Serbs or Croats. Even in 1982 in Liban, U.N. soldiers were victims of the Hezbollah. Guess who moved the US troops from Somalia? That stupid idiot of Clinton. The idiots are the ones thinking that all can be resolved by talks when force is necessary sometimes. True leaders are not the ones kissing the UN's ass but the ones able to take decisions when they had to be taken.

And perhaps if you supported the UN it would work. Was is it that the US must always insist that it 'saved the world', why can't it just be content in knowing it contributed? In acting in a more collective manner, others would be far more in admiration of you.

 

[poggy]

You know, you Brits are way too nice. ...American revolution...war of 1812...bailing you guys out in WWII.. C'mon, you're amongst friends. You can let it out.

Don't even go there KFD.

As Prof found out sometime ago I can give you a rather rough time when it comes to the so called gallant knight act of the US in WWII.

They wouldn't even have come into WWII if it wasn't for Japan attacking them. Then they drew up their own agenda on what they was after. Both on the power front which they took too far on Japan. Then there was the we'll make sure we come out of this richer than everyone else. Don't kid yourself the US didn't bail anyone out. Just entered it for all their own reasons only.

WWII is one war I do know quite a bit about. First my Grandfather died because of injuries recieved in it. Also my father (and it wasn't his father) is a bit of a buff on WWII. He has really gone into it all over the years and I get a lot off him too.

 

[squallumz]

Q: Do All Britain's Really Hate America Like I'm Being Told?????

A: who gives a shit?

 

[blakey]

Great post alex, my south-eastern friend :thumbsup: !

Whatever anyone may say about the UK's former imperial record we gave it up voluntarily back then ( coz we were very skint < & we had to do it before we got everything got taken back off us ! > ), and it would have been good if lessons could be taken from that period, together with Britain's overseas adventures over the preceding two centuries :2 cents:

 

[oberonfoto]

Most "Brits: (a Brit doesn't really exsist we're Irish, English, Welsh or Scottish) don't hate America but we hate what your country is doing in the world today in the name of "The war on Terror". America armed these people in the 80s and 90s for their own ends and when they hit back at the US on 11/9 your Goverment decided it was time to show the world US power ignoring the damage you had done in the past: Supporting Saddam (You gave him WMD in the first place!), supporting Bin Laden against the USSR and quite a few more. You try to tell the world that the American way is the right way but leave your poor to die in a flooded city, kill each other with you crazy laws about gun control and bribe your way into power. You want demorocy but when the people of Palistine vote in a Goverment you don't like you refuse to accept it. We don't hate the normal people just tossers like George W. My personal gripe with the US is the way you all hang onto your backgrounds - "Hi I'm a IrishAmerican" even though you have never been to Ireland and in fact it was your Great Great Grandad who went to the US! No your not your a American!! Smae with the AfricainAmericans, Spanish or any other country you care to mention.

 

[Member2019]

Here's the problem (and why I tune people like yourself out) ...

America armed these people in the 80s and 90s for their own ends

Among many other countries. We're not alone, and I'm sorry, it's the '80s, not '90s for us -- unlike other countries (including several in Europe). Many other countries also share the blame, even if their state-controlled and run media doesn't like to admit it and solely blame the US. Thank God for our truly free press, even if they are idiots 98% of the time, I'll take that 2% versus state-controlled/run any day.

Supporting Saddam (You gave him WMD in the first place!),]

Along with many other countries. Some of the key components for Sarin did not come from the US, but 2 European countries. Especially after 1991.

supporting Bin Laden against the USSR and quite a few more.

Very much guilty there, although that was '80s only as well.

You try to tell the world that the American way is the right way

No, only when a country attacks the US or a strategic, western resource. In fact, since WWII, we've been guilty of not suing for unconditional surrender, and that's been part of our problem since.

but leave your poor to die in a flooded city,

Anti-capitalism rhetoric. The number of homeless in US cities is less than 1 in 10,000 -- even using the over-inflated quotes from the Chinese as of late. I rather tire of the anti-capitalism rhetoric around the world, and we're not wrong merely because we're capitalists.

kill each other with you crazy laws about gun control

Of course. With freedom comes responsibility. Some people aren't responsible -- especially those under-educated and under-appreciative of all the responsibility that comes with that freedom. I like the fact that I have a government -- and an overriding Constitution with a Bill of Rights -- that trusts me to make the right choices, instead of taking them away from me.

And I'm not even a gun owner myself.

and bribe your way into power.

More anti-capitalism rhetoric.

You want demorocy but when the people of Palistine vote in a Goverment you don't like you refuse to accept it.

We will not only accept it, but continue to support (financially) Palestine when they vow not to attack and kill innocent civilians. That's all we ask! Wow, that's a lot to ask.

We don't hate the normal people just tossers like George W.

W. reflects the anti-appeasing, "this is what I'm going to do" honesty that most Americans wanted to vote for more than Kerry, who didn't clarify anything. I didn't vote for him, but if you think most Americans aren't capitalists and don't think there are many things wrong with the world -- starting with Europe (hence why most of us left) -- you're wrong.

Ever since the Tsunami a few years back, I've tuned out the rhetoric-filled, anti-capitalism, anti-US non-sense. Our response during the Tsunami was our finest action, even if we didn't handle the PR as good as others. There was a joke that we should make Bill Clinton the Secretary of State, because he would say anything, and actually not do what he said, and that's what you guys want.

My personal gripe with the US is the way you all hang onto your backgrounds - "Hi I'm a IrishAmerican" even though you have never been to Ireland and in fact it was your Great Great Grandad who went to the US! No your not your a American!! Smae with the AfricainAmericans, Spanish or any other country you care to mention.

Huh? No offense, but it's others who do that. We're Americans because we are a mixture of cultures who left people like yourself a long time ago.

Because you want to tell everyone what is wrong with them. That's why were Americans, because we're the most fucked-up collection of "bad people" labeled by everyone we left behind.

 

[ckjedi66]

Actually, I don't give a rat's ass what Britain thinks of my country, as much as I'm sure they don't care what we think of their country, it's a pointless debate that could go on forever, and what does it accomplish? I have nothing against the Brits and if they have a problem with America or American's that is there problem, not mine. Live and let live people isn't there enough hate in the world without adding to it?

 

[dave_rhino]

Live and let live people isn't there enough hate in the world without adding to it?

Especially seeing as America/England are great allies.

 

[youwanttoshagme]

Dave_rhino, is that in jest? I don't want to be allied with the US and I'm a Brit. The US had fucked up enough wars, policies, etc across the whole planet, that I would prefer the UK to be independent completely. We can make our own decisions and have our own ideas.

I think Americanising the UK is the worst thing we can do. I much prefer home-grown talent in entertainment, sport, literature, science etc. I prefer our culture and our way of life. Recent events in the US with the shootings seam absurd over here due to our gun laws. We have our social problems, but the US seams to have it wide spread in their communities.

I love the Americas in terms of their geological features. The scale and power of the canyons and mountains are amazing. However, I hate the arrogant impression that I get from the country as a whole. Your rich and famous are the spokes people for your country and they look like a bunch of muppets. Run by a monkey and obsessed by what the Hollywood A list are doing and how much they are being payed. It's breeding a society that I think is becoming more and more unbalanced.

The UK is too dependant on reruns of crap comady like Friends and MacDonalds fast food crap. The likes of Fifty Cent and that lot look like small men acting hard and don't impress me. Kids idolise them, and what a load of wank they are.

 

[dave_rhino]

I'm not talking about turning England into America.

Put it this way: Would you rather England and America be friends... Or enemies?

 

[youwanttoshagme]

I have more respect for Japan and other countries than the US as they come to the table as equals and seek a democratic way of finding a solution. Japans reaction the the N. Korean bomb threat was very admirable as they said that although N. Korea had a bomb, they would not start any progress on their own program. The US is physically bigger, however, that doesn't mean they should have more of a say. All countries should be equal.

I don't want the US as an enemy, but I don't won't to be a front or puppet to some crap idea the US has come up with. The association between the two countries is too close in the rest of the worlds eyes. They see the US's poor decisions as ours by proxy.

 

[tartanterrier]

I was in California/Nevada a week ago and absoulutly loved the place.

I just think - like most American's .They have a stupid president
at the moment.Just like we have a stupid prime minister.

I don't think we can hate a country for having an asshole at it's forefront.

I know some people who say America is shit,but they haven't even been
there...but I guess that's dumb people for you

 

[ckjedi66]

The UK is too dependant on reruns of crap comady like Friends and MacDonalds fast food crap.

Don't even start shit like this you won't like where it goes, just a friendly warning. Drop it, because if you want to start saying whats crap in the US, you will just get into a war of words with someone who is going to sling mud in your direction, and it will lead to someone getting banned or whatever.

 

[Member2019]

It's easier to point the finger at one country ...

Live and let live people isn't there enough hate in the world without adding to it?

The problem is that most people want to blame another country for creating hate, but not look at their own countries own responsibility of doing the same.

The US hasn't changed since the fall of the Soviet Union. We were just the lesser of two evils, so they pointed the finger at the Soviets instead of us.

 

[Member2019]

Brits don't understand their own economy and reliance on the US ...

Dave_rhino, is that in jest? I don't want to be allied with the US and I'm a Brit. The US had fucked up enough wars, policies, etc across the whole planet, that I would prefer the UK to be independent completely. We can make our own decisions and have our own ideas.

Yes, and we have no only bailed your country out of them several times, but your economy is heavily tied to ours. Blair doesn't agree with W. because he's some sort of "W-like asshole," but he's got the same situation that Major, Thatcher and others before them did as well.

I think Americanising the UK is the worst thing we can do. I much prefer home-grown talent in entertainment, sport, literature, science etc. I prefer our culture and our way of life. Recent events in the US with the shootings seam absurd over here due to our gun laws. We have our social problems, but the US seams to have it wide spread in their communities.

Killings will still occur even if we had no gun control.

I.e., search about how many students have been killed by other students ramming their vehicles into classrooms and other facilities.

I love the Americas in terms of their geological features. The scale and power of the canyons and mountains are amazing. However, I hate the arrogant impression that I get from the country as a whole.

And yes, if I watched the US TV media, I'd think we Americans are arrogant, ignorant and racist/sexist fucks as well.

Your rich and famous are the spokes people for your country and they look like a bunch of muppets. Run by a monkey and obsessed by what the Hollywood A list are doing and how much they are being payed.

Again, that's exactly what you get from watching the US TV media -- the most racist and sexist institution in the US. Doesn't surprise me one bit that actors/actresses are so leftist/activist, because they work in the most sexist/racist/narrow-minded industry we have.

It's breeding a society that I think is becoming more and more unbalanced.

Which is a result of increased social programs. We all get the "lowest common denominator" as a result.

The UK is too dependant on reruns of crap comady like Friends and MacDonalds fast food crap. The likes of Fifty Cent and that lot look like small men acting hard and don't impress me. Kids idolise them, and what a load of wank they are.

Again, don't confuse the US TV media with the US, its people and its leadership.

There's much to be said about Clinton actually did not do, and what the media reported he did. The Kyoto treaty is a perfect example.

 

[Member2019]

Understanding the first thing about North Korea ...

I have more respect for Japan and other countries than the US as they come to the table as equals and seek a democratic way of finding a solution. Japans reaction the the N. Korean bomb threat was very admirable as they said that although N. Korea had a bomb, they would not start any progress on their own program. The US is physically bigger, however, that doesn't mean they should have more of a say. All countries should be equal.

Ummm, I think the US has had that stance since day 1 on North Korea. In fact, the reason why the 1994 agreement (negotiated by Jimmy Carter, and vehemently lambasted by Al Gore at the time) failed -- in the eyes of all 6 countries -- is that it placed the "appeasement burden" on the US. The US and Japan see eye-to-eye on North Korea, and the US' stance has more to do with China than North Korea.

I.e., the US promised to keep nukes out of the area if China promised to do the same. I'm really shocked that most people can't put 2 and 2 together here, and realize the US' stance has everything to do with South Korea and Japan, and not some hypocritical stance against North Korea.

North Korea was in the "Axis of Evil" in the 2002 speech because North Korea fully admitted in late 2001 -- after being caught "red handed" -- that they were not abiding by the 1994 agreement. It was a very, very accurate painting, and as early as 1999 Al Gore went on record saying North Korea was in violation of the agreement -- which was publicly confirmed in late 2001.

I don't want the US as an enemy, but I don't won't to be a front or puppet to some crap idea the US has come up with. The association between the two countries is too close in the rest of the worlds eyes. They see the US's poor decisions as ours by proxy.

Yes, like Marget Thatcher telling George H. W. Bush that the invasion of Kuwait could not stand, and such an aggressor -- with the 4th largest army in the world -- needs to be dealt with before he attempts to conqueror the entire region.

Make no mistake, US and UK strategic interests in the world are tied together. A simple breakdown of where we get our resources from will quickly explain this -- as well as why there are 41 other countries supporting the Iraq war.

It also explains why most eastern European nations want the US missile defense shield in their territories. The Soviet Union lives on, nothing has changed in Russia.

 

[oberonfoto]

Re: Here's the problem (and why I tune people like yourself out) ...

Anti-capitalism rhetoric. The number of homeless in US cities is less than 1 in 10,000 -- even using the over-inflated quotes from the Chinese as of late. I rather tire of the anti-capitalism rhetoric around the world, and we're not wrong merely because we're capitalists.

So no poor people died in the Big easy? Strange I'm sure thats what CNN was reporting at the time! And BTW WTF has that got to do with anti-capitalism? Your Goverment left a stadium full of people rot for how long before George W got his stupid ares in gear and he only did that cause Daddy told him to!! Get real Prof. If your poor and black in the US no one cares!

 

[Member2019]

While you were arm-chair bitching, I was coordinating technicians through the swamps!

So no poor people died in the Big easy?

I said "homeless." So WTF does that have to do with "poor"?

Strange I'm sure thats what CNN was reporting at the time! And BTW WTF has that got to do with anti-capitalism?

Everything. Virtually everything that dumbfounds many people of many nations, especially those more socialist, is why we make several decisions, and it boils down to capitalism and a much lower, federal taxation rate. It has everything to do with our massive (in comparison) GDP as well.

Everyone bitches about the resources the United States consumes. But you'll find that the amount of resources a nation consumes has everything to do with its GDP -- including the UK and China as well.

Your Goverment left a stadium full of people rot

Yes, the state of Louisiana is a chronic fuck-up of a state that squandered billions of dollars over the years ear-marked for hurricane preparedness, improvements to the woefully adequate walls and levies that the Army Corps of Engineers have warned about for years, etc... State issues not addressed by the state, who was given federal assistance to address and they squandered it.

Had it hit Florida, the results would be different. In Florida, we actually know what to do for hurricanes. New Orleans residents have been content for too many years, not realizing it was only a matter of time before the '20s and '60s would repeat itself. It's not the first time the city had been flooded.

And pretty much all who died were the ones who didn't even bother to go to the stadium. When anything category 2 or higher comes to hit Florida, you'll find me in northern Georgia or Tennessee.

for how long before George W got his stupid ares in gear

FEMA and, more effectively, the Coast Guard was mobilized immediately. I know, because I was the lead engineer helping providing the communications for the Coast Guard, and directing technicians in the field.

Beyond FEMA, the Coast Guard has no capability. It was private organizations like my employer at the time that had the capability. The Coast Guard has long argued they've been ill prepared, just like FEMA as well as many other organizations.

But there is the simple fact that there was an inadequate water barrier and no infrastructure to address a flood. This scenario was not only predicted exactly by the Army Corps of Engineers, but it happened before in the '60s, and again before that in the '20s. It's called the 40 year Gulf Stream cycle, which people don't seem to get.

Except the Army Corps of Engineers it seems, until New Orleans is flooded once again.

This is what kills me about 98% of the comments I see on this board. 98% of you don't know your history, at least American history, before you bitch about the US -- American, non-American, argumentative or allegedly "more enlightened" than I. Utter ignorance-based bullshit combined with finger-pointing and arm-chair bitching.

and he only did that cause Daddy told him to!!

Huh? Were are you getting this from? Have absolutely no idea!

I live in Florida. Immediate actions before and after hurricanes are a state matter. We actually know what we are doing in Florida, because they affect us yearly. We work together instead of pointing fingers.

But just for your information, while Florida is a collection of Democrats and Republicans who work together, Louisiana is a backwater, liberal Democrat stronghold. The Army Corps of Engineers has been bitching for years that they had no preparation for the next flood of New Orleans by a Category 3+ Hurricane (do you think this was the first time?), and the state had squandered billions over the years.

Get real Prof. If your poor and black in the US no one cares!

Rhetoric.

Get real? While you were arm-chair bitching about us Americans and our follies, I was coordinating technicians tracking through the Louisiana swamp. Don't use events I was personally involved with like you even remotely understand and use them for a political avenue.

You've just shown me that you have no interested in understanding anything, and using anything I say as a tangent to something else completely unrelated.

 

[alexios]

No, they don't.

Next question!