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no they don't
BTW... I am sure they all love Canada
BTW... I am sure they all love Canada
Do All Britain's Really Hate America Like I'm Being Told?????
- Thread starter The Captain
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No they don't .. and it's Britons .. NOT Britains 
I'd differ with the latter part.
I could be termed a "liberal."
In fact, I consider the term "fiscally conservative" to be an oxy-moron.
My problem is with those people who ignorantly assume the same path as the Bolshevik's.
In fact, Marxism and communism was essentially invented in the US.
We managed to implement it in our -- ironically -- capitalist society to the best effect IMHO.
But at least you knew what it meant.
In fact, it's a good test of someone's age, at least if they are Anglo or American.
Good grammatical error spotted by our Czech friend
as to the meaning of "pinko" - whatever, as usual we're getting off topic ( partly my fault, admittedly ) - but this thread concerns the UK and i'm just telling you guys what the everyday, common meaning of that word is here
if you heard someone use it in a a bar or pub i doubt you would think they were talking about a communist
( whatevers its origins were )
as to the meaning of "pinko" - whatever, as usual we're getting off topic ( partly my fault, admittedly ) - but this thread concerns the UK and i'm just telling you guys what the everyday, common meaning of that word is here
if you heard someone use it in a a bar or pub i doubt you would think they were talking about a communist
( whatevers its origins were )
In fact, Marxism and communism was essentially invented in the US.
We managed to implement it in our -- ironically -- capitalist society to the best effect IMHO.
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I think i can definately say no Britons hate America for being too marxist or communist
And the hole he digs gets deeper ...
Sigh ... I'll keep this in mind in the future, so I just don't respond.
And you continue to show your age (lack thereof)!
You're clearly a young academic that can't "think outside the box."I think i can definately say no Britons hate America for being too marxist or communist
Sigh ... I'll keep this in mind in the future, so I just don't respond.
Prof
you can respond or not or whatever you want to do
i can think outside the box in that i can appreciate other people have had different experiences, in different places, than i have had
should my (apparent) youth preclude me from giving my opinion ?
you're clearly an old geezer that has difficulty accepting that someone other than yourself might possess a valid point of view
you can respond or not or whatever you want to do
i can think outside the box in that i can appreciate other people have had different experiences, in different places, than i have had
should my (apparent) youth preclude me from giving my opinion ?
you're clearly an old geezer that has difficulty accepting that someone other than yourself might possess a valid point of view
Step back and realize what you said ...
All I said is your viewpoints are showing your age, as I would argue at least some people (including several who did speak up and are Britons) who are older than you, did know what someone else meant.
Step back and take a look at yourself, instead of taking offense to me because I'm just trying to point out the obvious. If I'm being "old and closed minded" for pointing that out, so be it.
No, you say that, but you don't live it.
Your youth, clearly academic-only, is why you deal in absolutes and you claim (as in speak for other people) that most would agree with your assessment, is why you claim (as in speak for other people) a majority of Britons would assume "pinko" must mean something homosexual etc...
All I said is your viewpoints are showing your age, as I would argue at least some people (including several who did speak up and are Britons) who are older than you, did know what someone else meant.
I'm clearly an "old geezer" that has difficult with anyone not accepting the fact that they should watch their over-generalizations, especially from someone who continually claims what "most other people" would know or agree with.
Step back and take a look at yourself, instead of taking offense to me because I'm just trying to point out the obvious. If I'm being "old and closed minded" for pointing that out, so be it.
i still don't see why, as a Briton, i shouldn't be able to give my opinion to non-Britons about the common meaning that would be given to that word here and now
words can have different meanings in different places, and meanings can change over time ( contrast "gay old time" in flintstones theme to "gay pride" )
as i say, i'm giving the interpretation of the man in the street in UK in 2007
don't worry about me taking offense though - i have no intellectual inferiority complex ( although perhaps i should ) and i enjoy the banter on here and open exchange of opinions
.... but this isn't strictly on thread topic
words can have different meanings in different places, and meanings can change over time ( contrast "gay old time" in flintstones theme to "gay pride" )
as i say, i'm giving the interpretation of the man in the street in UK in 2007
don't worry about me taking offense though - i have no intellectual inferiority complex ( although perhaps i should ) and i enjoy the banter on here and open exchange of opinions
.... but this isn't strictly on thread topic
... of your age.
Then consider that before you go down that road.
I.e., see my first ever and original response to you in this thread.
It's not about "right or wrong" or "who's opinions matter," but one of intellectual conversation, free of stereotypes and generalizations.
I.e., if you want someone to consider your viewpoint, you should consider how you will present it.
You should also watch how much you assume, especially given your age and the fact that people older than you may not think the same way.
E.g., they were alive to remember the Soviet Union.
Sadly, the way you were namecalling me in that thread http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=122667&page=3 and the way you are namecalling prof says that you lack confidence and you couldn't propose valid objection or facts when Prof or I proved you wrong.
Words can weapons and namecalling someone when you don't know him or have never read a single post of the person you are talking about is not the best sign of maturity. You have been proven wrong more than a lot and I don't think all the Britons are thinking like you. Perhaps you are 20 or less but you lack experience when it comes to politics and you like to generalize as well as putting stickers on people, which is also not the best thing to do when you don't know who you are dealing with. :nono: In all honesty, you have not enough maturity to talk about politics and being impolite to prof is not a sign of respect. Respect your elder peers. In my country, the younger generation lacks experience and knowledge when it comes to politics and many other things.
I have no probs when it comes to a constructive talk but I don't really like namecalling and petty bickering.
just my honest opinion and my :2 cents:
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georges
As a Brit myself I do hate somethings about America. But then again I hate things about Britain too. So do I hate things about other countries in the world. No one likes everthing about a country including their own.
Living here in Britain it's actually the other way round. A lot of Britain's love America in many ways. Some even go as far as wanting the same here as in the US.
@ blakey
All you are doing is going over old ground. As Prof has had many debate with many members here on the US and UK including me. But they are often do with respect.
As for the man in the street in the UK. You have no right to quote for him as no two men are the same here in the UK or anywhere else for that matter. Also it doesn't matter what year it is 2007 or 1907 the people still would have their own opinions and not be disrespectful doing it.
Living here in Britain it's actually the other way round. A lot of Britain's love America in many ways. Some even go as far as wanting the same here as in the US.
@ blakey
All you are doing is going over old ground. As Prof has had many debate with many members here on the US and UK including me. But they are often do with respect.
As for the man in the street in the UK. You have no right to quote for him as no two men are the same here in the UK or anywhere else for that matter. Also it doesn't matter what year it is 2007 or 1907 the people still would have their own opinions and not be disrespectful doing it.
Ahem.... It has been proven that the Dutch were here before the Boys from Blighty were. I am pretty certain that had the Brits decided against deporting my Irish Ancestors and all the other poor buggers, down here, I reckon the Orange People would have got here sooner or later.... They just didnt realise what they had discovered!!
:2 cents:
meesterperfect
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The question was aimed at British members right?. A yes or no question? perhaps a why follow-up?
I'd like to know the overall attitudes in Britain towards the U.S.
Lets just let them answer, without debate.
I'd like to know the overall attitudes in Britain towards the U.S.
Lets just let them answer, without debate.
meesterperfect
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And A lot like me love it, but maybe what I love about it has long since disappeared and doesn't exist anymore. I think that's my reality.
Wrong!
People can hate a lot of things about America. But they can't hate the whole of America. Or they would have to hate every single TV program, film, music, clothes, people, etc that came from America. As it represents America in some way. So it is impossible to hate America as I said above in my post.
I posted as a Brit above in the only way you'll find it is possible for someone to post on this. As you can't hate everything about a country, it's impossible. But many of the issues I see discussed here can't be all America's fault any way. Most wars now days have to be cleared by the UN and it is usually a UN force that goes in. Not just one country. Unless it is a direct conflict between two countries. Like the Falklands was.
So the the opening question wasn't worded quite right IMO.
Or is the next question 'Do all American's really hate Britain or France or whatever country you want to put here'
I've honestly stopped listening after the Tsunami a few years back ...
The only difference is that people were willing to see the "lesser of two evils" back then. Now, people want to blame the US for everything that goes on, even if their own country directly benefits.
Frankly, I stopped caring after the whole Tsunami a few years back. It was the greatest example of grandstanding by virtually every nation, except the US. The US actually put not only its money where its mouth was, but we were the only schmucks with the Navy to feed and care for people immediately.
Yet we got lambasted. Not because of what we didn't do. But because we're not really good at "political grandstanding" like other nations, just good at trying to do our best. Even if we fuck up regularly, it's not for lack of trying not to.
Considering the interests of the United States is shared by man others of its allies, I rather tired of us taking the sole heat for many issues. Especially since nothing has changed in how the US conducts itself since before the demise of the Soviet Union.
The only difference is that people were willing to see the "lesser of two evils" back then. Now, people want to blame the US for everything that goes on, even if their own country directly benefits.
Frankly, I stopped caring after the whole Tsunami a few years back. It was the greatest example of grandstanding by virtually every nation, except the US. The US actually put not only its money where its mouth was, but we were the only schmucks with the Navy to feed and care for people immediately.
Yet we got lambasted. Not because of what we didn't do. But because we're not really good at "political grandstanding" like other nations, just good at trying to do our best. Even if we fuck up regularly, it's not for lack of trying not to.
I only said he must be young because ...
Everything else, I really don't take offense to anyone anymore. In fact, I'd rather people just curse at me and get it out, than try to befriend me and then tell me what's wrong with me. I know I'm an American Republicanist (not the political party) and a strong, Capitalist Pig. I fully accept it, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
Especially since I believe strongly in people individually choosing to help others, fulfilling the terms of their "social contract." I don't like the idea of government mandating that on everyone, because it's often misguided (let alone we all don't agree on what that should be), and I love the fact that the US is one of the least socialistic, major nations in the world. Especially since common folk make themselves millionaires in this country every year, and we're still the final land (at least western) of opportunity for all.
In all honesty, I finally said he was young because it became clearly that he was not around (at least not very old) when the Soviet Union existed. Otherwise he might have heard of the word, instead of making assumptions. I already thought he might be of a young, academic-only mind before that, but that's really what made me finally realize he was -- indeed -- too young to be exposed to it.
Everything else, I really don't take offense to anyone anymore. In fact, I'd rather people just curse at me and get it out, than try to befriend me and then tell me what's wrong with me. I know I'm an American Republicanist (not the political party) and a strong, Capitalist Pig. I fully accept it, and I don't see anything wrong with it.
Especially since I believe strongly in people individually choosing to help others, fulfilling the terms of their "social contract." I don't like the idea of government mandating that on everyone, because it's often misguided (let alone we all don't agree on what that should be), and I love the fact that the US is one of the least socialistic, major nations in the world. Especially since common folk make themselves millionaires in this country every year, and we're still the final land (at least western) of opportunity for all.
Whoa, don't open that gate ...
Yes, the Falklands was a conflict started by a stupid military dictator who recently gained power in Argentina. And yes, the UK did argue that they were open to the people of the Falklands choosing their own destiny -- which gave them a lot of leverage with the UN.
But I think you're over-simplifying things here. A lot of it has to do with viewpoint.
In fact, Vincente Fox pulled Mexico out of the Organization of the Americans in 2004 because the US failed to prevent the British from "re-conquering" the Falklands. Yes, the US has been accused of "failing" our American allies in the Falklands War, enough that our next-door neighbor cited it when they pulled out of one of our most important alliances (e.g., it made the blockade of Cuba legitimate).
Hell, what if the conflict would have gone badly? What if the Argentines would have put an Exocet into the Invincible or the Flagship itself? What if the Argentine pilots wouldn't have been stupid enough to engage the Harriers at their best altitude, and forced everything the other way in the air. What would have the British done then?
Some might say it's "luck" more than anything else that Margaret Thatcher didn't fall right on her face there.
If you haven't noticed, I'm an American who knows a lot about the Falkland's War.
Umm, Kuwait and Iraq? Kuwait asked the US for help, and the US actually took it to the UN instead. The terms of the cease fire were clear, and it's legal fact that Iraq never adhered to them, not even after 23 additional resolutions. I'm not saying the US should have gone in 2003, but you have to be careful.
So what you're saying here is that if a country is not big enough to defend itself, like Kuwait, then tough? You don't want to open that door.
Yes, the Falklands was a conflict started by a stupid military dictator who recently gained power in Argentina. And yes, the UK did argue that they were open to the people of the Falklands choosing their own destiny -- which gave them a lot of leverage with the UN.
But I think you're over-simplifying things here. A lot of it has to do with viewpoint.
In fact, Vincente Fox pulled Mexico out of the Organization of the Americans in 2004 because the US failed to prevent the British from "re-conquering" the Falklands. Yes, the US has been accused of "failing" our American allies in the Falklands War, enough that our next-door neighbor cited it when they pulled out of one of our most important alliances (e.g., it made the blockade of Cuba legitimate).
Hell, what if the conflict would have gone badly? What if the Argentines would have put an Exocet into the Invincible or the Flagship itself? What if the Argentine pilots wouldn't have been stupid enough to engage the Harriers at their best altitude, and forced everything the other way in the air. What would have the British done then?
Some might say it's "luck" more than anything else that Margaret Thatcher didn't fall right on her face there.
If you haven't noticed, I'm an American who knows a lot about the Falkland's War.
Americans only hate countries that tell us what to do. Not because we're merely Americans, but because there are a lot of Americans who left those countries for a reason.
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