And you have done research? By posting links with "facts" from someone as paranoid and crazy as you. "facts' which have been proven wrong. Great job.
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Did man really land on the Moon ?
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And you have done research? By posting links with "facts" from someone as paranoid and crazy as you. "facts' which have been proven wrong. Great job.
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Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
By whom and which facts?
NASA hasn't proven anything, they are just another part of the government.
The same government that has been caught in lie after lie. :hatsoff:
Do you believe the earth travels around the sun? I bet you do.
And I'll also bet you HAVE NOT spent a whole year making nightly observations and taking readings with a telescope and a sextant, analyzing the data, and coming to your own conclusion that the earth travels around the sun.
You believe it because you were told it's the truth.
Somehow it feels like no one will convince the other in this thread.
I just have a very hard time believe anyone could be paranoid enough to consider a moon landing fake. And also have the guts to use scientific method to prove it. It's almost worse than creationists - who use science to take a dump on science.
People who can't appreciate and understand engineering and its abilities ought to still be living in caves near the Red Sea carving myths into stone tablets. Serves them right.
Will E, using you as an example, because you always turn up in threads like this. You've spent 1½ years on this board, using devices made available to you through engineering and constructive, pragmatic ideas, to stroke your penis (assuming you do watch porn, it would actually be even more strange if you didn't.) And yet you still have the nerve to go against all that is science and all that is technology. Ironic how you can't seem to get the hipocrisy in picking your favorite inventions and discoveries, and pissing on the rest. Organized religion, and especially christianity, has done nothing whatsoever to turn human civilization into the marvel it is today. Quite the opposite, when it set intellectuals on fire and hung opponents on market square.
I just have a very hard time believe anyone could be paranoid enough to consider a moon landing fake. And also have the guts to use scientific method to prove it. It's almost worse than creationists - who use science to take a dump on science.
People who can't appreciate and understand engineering and its abilities ought to still be living in caves near the Red Sea carving myths into stone tablets. Serves them right.
Will E, using you as an example, because you always turn up in threads like this. You've spent 1½ years on this board, using devices made available to you through engineering and constructive, pragmatic ideas, to stroke your penis (assuming you do watch porn, it would actually be even more strange if you didn't.) And yet you still have the nerve to go against all that is science and all that is technology. Ironic how you can't seem to get the hipocrisy in picking your favorite inventions and discoveries, and pissing on the rest. Organized religion, and especially christianity, has done nothing whatsoever to turn human civilization into the marvel it is today. Quite the opposite, when it set intellectuals on fire and hung opponents on market square.
All I want to know is, why is there a conspiracy? What was the massive benefit of staging this escapade? Who were the losers? Who were the winners? If you can't answer this question then the whole thing collapses in on itself.
The former soviets have not released any documents along the lines of..."we knew it was all over for communism the minute the Americans landed on the moon." On the contrary, it would have been easy for the soviets to track the Apollo mission. If there had been no Apollo 11 don't you think they would have delighted in exposing the fact?
When the wall came down don't you think that an enterprising Kremlin bureaucrat would have delighted in getting a payday by releasing the documents that once and for all proved that no mission to the moon took place? Or are the Russians in on it as well? Quick call Dan Brown, this is bigger than we thought!
The former soviets have not released any documents along the lines of..."we knew it was all over for communism the minute the Americans landed on the moon." On the contrary, it would have been easy for the soviets to track the Apollo mission. If there had been no Apollo 11 don't you think they would have delighted in exposing the fact?
When the wall came down don't you think that an enterprising Kremlin bureaucrat would have delighted in getting a payday by releasing the documents that once and for all proved that no mission to the moon took place? Or are the Russians in on it as well? Quick call Dan Brown, this is bigger than we thought!
Totally different ...
Whether we landed on the moon or not is a question of if it can be understood or it can be explained, but an exposure of the segment of our society that cannot understand and cannot explain the basic concepts involved. Anyone who has a decent understanding of 18th century physics, which is taught at the high school level in the US and most western worlds, laughs at the basis in which people make claims -- largely that too many people have a BC-era, Greek philosopher Aristotle level assumption on air and physical interaction. Adding in two years in an engineering program only solidifies further explanation of the full mechanics (e.g., dynamics) of more complex theories, such as the "wobble" of Alan Shepard's golf ball in Apollo 14.
It's the same on the conspiracy theories of 9/11 and the accusation that the buildings must have been blown up because kerosene cannot melt steel. Even foundation mechanics (e.g., statics) easily explains how temperature can weaken steel and even cause it to bend if different support in a truss is undercut, turning an end with a load into a fulcrum at an opposing base. The leading engineering organizations like the ASCE and NIST can release a report trying to explain these elementary concepts to the overwhelming majority of Americans, going into detail and using actual materials from the collapsed buildings, and people will just ignore them and go back to their base assumptions in ignorance.
In a nutshell ...
While some people look to Jesus to fill a void of knowledge of mankind in general, those who look to Moon, 9/11 and other conspiracies are looking to fill a void of knowledge of their own only, but mankind already has (and they failed to educate themselves of).
It's the same thing on the environment as well. As I regularly warn people, popular environmentalism is more of a church where people blindly believe concepts which have absolutely no basis in science and engineering. That's why nothing ever gets solved, because they end up hurting the scientists and engineers that are actually trying to reduce our human footprint and build environmentally sustainable solutions. It's not "save the planet" but "sustain the planet," or one should just stop using any and all technology, let alone stop doing things that "make yourself feel good" and actually start coming up with solutions that make less of a footprint.
Unlike religion or spiritual journeys which attempt to explain many aspects of life and creation that our society cannot understand and cannot explain ...
Whether we landed on the moon or not is a question of if it can be understood or it can be explained, but an exposure of the segment of our society that cannot understand and cannot explain the basic concepts involved. Anyone who has a decent understanding of 18th century physics, which is taught at the high school level in the US and most western worlds, laughs at the basis in which people make claims -- largely that too many people have a BC-era, Greek philosopher Aristotle level assumption on air and physical interaction. Adding in two years in an engineering program only solidifies further explanation of the full mechanics (e.g., dynamics) of more complex theories, such as the "wobble" of Alan Shepard's golf ball in Apollo 14.
It's the same on the conspiracy theories of 9/11 and the accusation that the buildings must have been blown up because kerosene cannot melt steel. Even foundation mechanics (e.g., statics) easily explains how temperature can weaken steel and even cause it to bend if different support in a truss is undercut, turning an end with a load into a fulcrum at an opposing base. The leading engineering organizations like the ASCE and NIST can release a report trying to explain these elementary concepts to the overwhelming majority of Americans, going into detail and using actual materials from the collapsed buildings, and people will just ignore them and go back to their base assumptions in ignorance.
In a nutshell ...
While some people look to Jesus to fill a void of knowledge of mankind in general, those who look to Moon, 9/11 and other conspiracies are looking to fill a void of knowledge of their own only, but mankind already has (and they failed to educate themselves of).
It's the same thing on the environment as well. As I regularly warn people, popular environmentalism is more of a church where people blindly believe concepts which have absolutely no basis in science and engineering. That's why nothing ever gets solved, because they end up hurting the scientists and engineers that are actually trying to reduce our human footprint and build environmentally sustainable solutions. It's not "save the planet" but "sustain the planet," or one should just stop using any and all technology, let alone stop doing things that "make yourself feel good" and actually start coming up with solutions that make less of a footprint.
Governments are composed of people (many of them like you and me) who come and go.You seem to have the delusion that they are some sort of secret society with some sort of agenda.They aren't , they are just people who turn up to go to work, have likes and dislikes and then move on.
I think it's funny. We've been told on this thread, that you can go out, get a telescope and see the things we left up there. But the argument lives. What do these conspiracy theorists think? We made the technology, and programmed the software to launch an unmanned vessel... to the moon... to drop these things off, with robots or something.... just to keep up the lie?
Wouldn't it have been easier to.... i don't know... go to the firggin moon?
Wouldn't it have been easier to.... i don't know... go to the firggin moon?
Of course governments lie & have done terrible things, but ya know, not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy!!
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Believe what you want and we will see who is correct in the end. :hatsoff:
How are we going to find out in the end Will? Are you and your merry bunch of "researchers" (the new term for conspiracy theorists, just in case you didnt know) going to lead the uprising?
Sorry but I dont see that happening.
A question that deserves an answer :hatsoff:.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Who said I was going to be in an uprising?
We will see if there is a One World Government and people have to accept a chip to buy or sell I was correct and you all were wrong.
The RFID chip is already here and not many are seeing the hand writing on the wall.
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Yeah I've seen Zeitgeist as well :hatsoff:.
So let's say that does happen - it wont - but lets say it does. All of your gloating really will not matter, will it?
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
It's not Zeitgeist. I'm not gloating. It will happen unless enough people wake up and see what is happening.
I just feel bad for people like you, who have the energy to spend your life devoted to paranoid ideas and illusions of a grand conspiracy.
And the sad thing is you wouldn't even admit you were wrong at your death bed, or even if you lived another 1000 years and saw nothing but blissful progress.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
Where's this "blissful progress."
People that can't see what is happening are the one's you should feel sorry for.
I can't feel too bad for the sheeple. They only work to get a paycheck so they can go out get drunk and high and figure out a way to get "laid" by the morning.
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