Defunding Obamacare: GOP Is “Playing with Fire”

[Jack Davenport]

I am sorry that your youthful indiscretions allowed you to waste your vote on whom you call a great president.
There is no fucking way that could have supported Reagan who considered the racist Jesse Helms his greatest ally in the senate and still consider him a great man.
The Tea Party was founded on smaller government and following the Constitution exactly the principles that Reagan stood for.
You have just exposed yourself as knowing nothing about him.

Not so dumb as to believe that a radical such as yourself and claims to hold Reagan in high esteem could have gone off the political deep end as you have without cursing his name in every breath. About the time I begin to think you are worthy of my time on here you show just how stuck on stupid you really are.

 

[xfire]

The Tea Party was founded on smaller government and following the Constitution exactly the principles that Reagan stood for.
You have just exposed yourself as knowing nothing about him.

The National Debt tripled from from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion during Reagan's time in office and the debt ceiling was raised 18 times, how exactly is that standing for smaller government? Every president takes an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States, to claim that Reagan stood for "following the Constitution" is just a bullhorn talking point, they all follow the Constitution.

 

[Jack Davenport]

"They all follow the constitution" You sure you want to stand by that? And the debt is not indicitive of the overall size of the government and you know it. The ceiling was raised by Congress Reagan didn't do it all by his lonesome. And he certainly never had the luxury of the majorities that both Clinton and Obama enjoyed. He never even had them for a half a term and his growing of the debt was the consequence of rebuilding the military.

 

[wdoall]

but you stand here and claim Obama has done it all on his own, so which is it? Excuse me, not you but most of your right wing allies

 

[Mariahxxx]

overbuilding the military.

what about Iran Contra affair? was THAT following the constitution? what about using CIA planes to traffic cocaine from Nicaragua into the US to fund the Contras after congress refused to? you sure that is constitutional? congress refused, that should be that right? what about the dozen times he raised taxes? not so tea party there either.

 

[Mayhem]

I am sorry that your youthful indiscretions allowed you to waste your vote on whom you call a great president.
There is no fucking way that could have supported Reagan who considered the racist Jesse Helms his greatest ally in the senate and still consider him a great man.
The Tea Party was founded on smaller government and following the Constitution exactly the principles that Reagan stood for.
You have just exposed yourself as knowing nothing about him.

Not so dumb as to believe that a radical such as yourself and claims to hold Reagan in high esteem could have gone off the political deep end as you have without cursing his name in every breath. About the time I begin to think you are worthy of my time on here you show just how stuck on stupid you really are.

Reagan believed in governing. He was magnanimous when he won, he was gracious when he lost and he knew how to what? Communicate. There's a nickname to be found in there. What was it again?

 

[Jack Davenport]

Hay-sous ganja smoking cristo? Where the fuck do I start. In one corner we have the lovely and gracious Mariah talking about all the times Reagan raised taxes. She was all of what.. 8 when Reagan left office? Why do I waste my time trying to explain to someone the difference between nominal and effective tax rates? Did Reagan raise taxes ? Yes. Are all taxes the same? Fuck no! Reagan raised a variety of taxes. Such as temporary highway and gas taxes. He also agreed to raise taxes if he could get spending cut at a 3:1 ratio. He always had to deal with a dem congress. This willful obfuscation by the left is sickening and anybody that knows anything about the Reagan presidency laugh at people like Milano that are so simple minded as to think tax hike means income tax hike. When it was all said and done Reagan was a net tax reducer all the why generating more revenue.

 

[xfire]

"They all follow the constitution" You sure you want to stand by that? And the debt is not indicitive of the overall size of the government and you know it. The ceiling was raised by Congress Reagan didn't do it all by his lonesome. And he certainly never had the luxury of the majorities that both Clinton and Obama enjoyed. He never even had them for a half a term and his growing of the debt was the consequence of rebuilding the military.

Of course I stand by what I posted, I wouldn't have posted it in the first place if I thought it was erroneous, I don't pay attention to the manufactured outrage of Fox News which is where any "unconstitutional" babble about the Obama presidency originates. Of course Reagan didn't raise the debt limit "by his lonesome", but he was the HMFIC, so why are you trying to pass the blame? My point is that Reagan wasn't some champion of smaller government and the claim that he, "stood for following the Constitution" is just a campaign slogan.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Look xman I was actually thinking about Nixon so you're comment made me chuckle.

 

[wdoall]

Nixon was 1 of the best foreign relations presidents this country has ever had, although his domestic policy was left wanting

 

[xfire]

Look xman I was actually thinking about Nixon so you're comment made me chuckle.

Nixon was a decent president, just a terrible politician.

 

[rjdogma]

Compromise is a word that the left use to mean, "do it my way or you are an obstructionist."

Only in a world where up is down and left is right would your comment make any sense.

 

[mikexmoran]

Nixon was a decent president, just a terrible politician.

...and probably person, but that wasn't your point.

 

[mikexmoran]

Pardon for the diversion, but with the comments on the Nixon, someone just sent me this link in an email.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=LemllfcAY8A&sns=em

 

[xfire]

Pardon for the diversion, but with the comments on the Nixon, someone just sent me this link in an email.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=LemllfcAY8A&sns=em

That was well worth watching, and no, I didn't go after Nixon as a person, he did some terrible things but he did some great things, too.

 

[Mariahxxx]

BC what about Grover Norquist's pledge that all tea baggers agreed to and most republicans in office. they agreed to NEVER raise taxes for ANYTHING...EVER. so you can toss around my age when Reagan was president, but I have read plenty and watched the Newt biography he did on Reagan. But he raised taxes when he needed to, which is something the tea party and the current republicans have sworn to never do, no matter what.

Reagan raised taxes to pay for the spending he did. So did Bush 1. but the current republicans and teabaggers obviously dont understand simple economics, if you spend you must earn. taxes fund the government. the right salivates at the idea of a huge government but without taxes where does the money come from?

 

[Mariahxxx]

Nixon was HORRIBLE. he dragged out the war in vietnam. he implemented the health care-for-profit with Kaiser. he started the war on drugs and named marijuana a class a narctoci. he was much more effective after he was out of office with his diplomatic work in China. as shitty as carter was he inherited a shitty mess and just made it more shitty.

 

[wdoall]

Vietnam was about getting reelected just like Iraq was about getting reelected for Bush. Cheney talks about it in the documentary, a world according to Dick Cheney

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Nixon was HORRIBLE. he dragged out the war in vietnam. he implemented the health care-for-profit with Kaiser. he started the war on drugs and named marijuana a class a narctoci. he was much more effective after he was out of office with his diplomatic work in China. as shitty as carter was he inherited a shitty mess and just made it more shitty.

That's because Kissinger kept talking him out of nuking North Vietnam. And I believe it was Regan that started the war on drugs. He was the brainstorm behind D.A.R.E., the educational program for kids, and the one that started a lot of the random drug testing programs for Federal employee's, and people with "safety sensitive" jobs, like truck drivers. Ironically, he's also the one that sold heroin, to buy arms, to fund the very same Afghanistan rebels, we're fighting right now...except back then, they were slugging it out with Russia.

Here's a link to something that was on Yahoo. I thought some of the people in this thread may want to take a look at it.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-things-health-exchanges-wont-tell-you-2013-09-27?siteid=yhoof2

 

[Elwood70]

Nixon was a decent president, just a terrible politician.

Is that a compliment, or an insult?

Wouldn't a "good" politician just mean being a better bullshitter?